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Juve have already bought Krasic, and can only buy one non EU player pr season. Adebayor has no chance of moving there in january.
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It was a mooted loan move, I think.

Anyhow, Citeh have emphatically denied he's going anywhere.
 
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=42846.msg1223361#msg1223361 date=1290621575]
Juve have already bought Krasic, and can only buy one non EU player pr season. Adebayor has no chance of moving there in january.
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Milo Krasic is a great player. I was delighted when we we're linked to him in the summer. How is he doing in Italy. I've only watched Juve once and he was very good.
 
No good players are going to want to come here in January if we dont look like getting into the Champions league for next season....Its all about the Champions League in the players eyes these days...And we dont look like qualifying this year.

I think we are going to go backwards before we go forwards. No big name players signing, and Torres and Reina will leave. Once that is out the way we will start rebuilding.

As for Benzema, I recall him saying he doesnt want to live in the UK.

Ideally we will start winning the games we should be, get in or around the top 4 and then we can offer Champions League football sooner rather than later.
 
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I want a DM and a striker.

The DM should have a fantastic engine, and should be able to cover a lot of ground and also have decent ball playing ability and technique.

Striker should be good enough to start for any of the top 4 teams in the league. I have no stomach for backup striker/ squad player nonsense.

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Oh really ?

United - Berbatov & Owen / Hernandez (Rooney is not played as the sole striker except when they have a lot of injuries).
Arsenal - Chamakh & Bendtner / v.Persie (not exactly a standalone striker though in any case). I wasn't keen on Chamakh when he was at Bordeaux but no-one can argue he hasn't been value for money 😉
Citeh - Tevez & Balotelli / Adebayor - well look at the money they've spent.
Spurs - Defoe & Crouch / Pavyluchenko
Chelsea - Drogba & Anelka (then Sturridge) - Not so sure Anelka would be first choice in any of the teams above any more but even if he was - we don't have the sort of cash Chelsea & Citeh can splash around.

So who would you buy (who would be a first team pick in any of the above) within our price range ? Except for Anelka I wouldn't particularly call any of their 'back-ups' as good enough to start (meaning first team pick) for any of the Top 4 (Balotelli is a nutter and most wouldn't ever consider him) !
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I think you missed Julian's point.
He wants a top class striker that would be capable of pushing for a place in a top four team.
You have helped his argument by pointing out everyone part from us has at least three top strikers, we have one. QED

regards
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Hmmm not often I disagree with you Vlad but I do categorically here.

Firstly Julian says very clearly START not PUSH for a place. Secondly my points, though maybe a little obscure, were a) We don't have the money for starting players for Top 4 teams so it's ridiculous to suggest that's what we should be in for and b) re. back up strikers, apart from Anelka and the nutter Balotelli, the other true strikers (not v.Persie like players) are not top class either so that sort of voids his 'not wanting a back-up striker' statement.

Looking at those teams, Chelsea aside, I would take Torres and a good 'back-up striker' over any of those.
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I'm puzzled that my post has warranted a reply and analysis like that (with italics etc..) I stated that i wanted a striker who is good enough to start for any of the top 4 teams. I meant just that. I think Vlad understood what i was trying to say, and you have complicated the whole thing with starting/pushing etc...Apologies if I didn't put my point across clearly.
 
Julian - I didn't complicate anything mate. Your statement is absolutely clear - and does not at all indicate what Vlad understood (even if that is what you actually meant). And we still don't have the money to buy a striker good enough to start for any of the top 4 !
 
Liverpool tipped to make shock January swoop for £11 million wing wonder
Liverpool - will Reds make a surprise move for Adam Johnson?
By Will Haine November 25, 2010

Adam JohnsonEvery footballer has to think about it when the time comes. It is still early but I definitely would consider [leaving] Manchester City winger Adam Johnson is on allegedly Liverpool's radar.

The England speedster is reportedly weighing up his options at Eastlands after failing to hold onto a regular spot in Roberto Mancini's starting XI.

“Every footballer has to think about it when the time comes. It is still early but I definitely would consider [leaving],†Johnson told the Telegraph.

Johnson joined City from Middlesbrough last January for around £11 million and has since found himself become an increasingly influential player in the England set-up.

And now, according to Metro, Liverpool boss Roy Hodgson is monitoring Johnson's situation at City with a view to making a move for the midfielder in January.

Liverpool owners NESV are keen to invest in young talent in the New Year and, at 23-years-old, Johnson certainly has a bright future ahead of him.

Johnson would also provide Liverpool with some added potency going forward - something that Hodgson is keen to address having admitted that Liverpool rely too heavily on the contributions of Anfield heroes Fernando Torres and Steven Gerrard.

Whether Liverpool will launch a bid for Johnson in the New Year remains to be seen, but it is sure to be a busy January at Anfield as Hodgson and NESV look to continue the rebuilding job on Merseyside
 
Johan Elmander has stalled on signing a new contract with Bolton - and sparked a scramble for his signature.

The super Swede, who tops the Premier League scoring charts, was offered a new one-year deal at the Reebok but is not willing to commit yet and may play out the season and become a free agent.

However Elmander, a surprise star of Owen Coyle’s side this season, could now be sold in January - with growing interest in him at home and abroad.

Liverpool, Newcastle and Stoke have been taking an interest in Elmander’s revival and there could be an auction for the 29-year-old in the coming weeks.

Bolton chief Coyle is relaxed about the stalemate, but the club may cash in if they get an offer of around £3.5 million for the in-form marksman who may be allowed to leave in January.

Coyle thinks he has enough in his squad to cover for Elmander’s departure if it happens in the New Year and he also has moves in the pipeline for possible replacements.

Elmander was Bolton’s record buy and is on a massive salary.

The Reebok outfit were prepared to keep him for a further season on those terms, but his agent left without an agreement after a visit to see chairman Phil Gartside.
 
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Julian - I didn't complicate anything mate. Your statement is absolutely clear - and does not at all indicate what Vlad understood (even if that is what you actually meant). And we still don't have the money to buy a striker good enough to start for any of the top 4 !
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Actually, Julian was perfectly clear. He implied that he wants players who are good enough to start for a top four side, not that they would be necessarily be automatic starters. The thing that sets top teams apart is the depth: the fact that they have more players good enough to be in the starting eleven than there are spots for on the pitch. This is in contrast to buying players who we know are not good enough to be in the starting eleven and who are purchased specifically to be depth/role players. I'm sick of these kind of players, who can "do a job". Fuck doing a job, how about competing for a place? Seems pretty simple to me. And it's a stupid semantic argument anyway.

(Julian, correct me if I misunderstood you.)
 
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Actually, Julian was perfectly clear. He implied that he wants players who are good enough to start for a top four side, not that they would be necessarily be automatic starters.
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Can you not see the obvious contradiction in your statement let alone his ?
 
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[quote author=darkstarexodus link=topic=42846.msg1223986#msg1223986 date=1290744496]

Actually, Julian was perfectly clear. He implied that he wants players who are good enough to start for a top four side, not that they would be necessarily be automatic starters.
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Can you not see the obvious contradiction in your statement let alone his ?
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Actually, no.
 
2 players for every position, that are good enough to start for a Top 4 Premiership side.

If player 'A' is off form, player 'B' steps in and Player 'A' has to fight to get his place back.

Its how we did it when we ruled the League.


You don't actually need 22 Players either, because some good utillity players can play 2-3 positions, and fill a few slots
 
Liverpool manager Roy Hodgson admits he has changed his opinion on players he inherited from predecessor Rafael Benitez and is now keen to keep the squad intact.

Early on in his tenure, when a number of World Cup players were still getting up to speed and results were poor, the 63-year-old felt there had to be significant changes.

New England Sports Ventures' acquisition of the club in October prompted suggestions of a major spending spree in January, but Hodgson acknowledges he may have been too hasty in his assessment of the playing staff.

Last week's first half against West Ham was as well as they have played all season - albeit against benign opposition - and took their haul in the last six matches to 13 points.

There have been a couple of blips, the draw at Wigan and defeat at Stoke, but otherwise there has been a gradual improvement.

And now Hodgson is prepared to keep faith with the players he has at his disposal, having been denied the services of Fernando Torres, Joe Cole and Steven Gerrard at various stages.

"Basically I know what my best team is - the best team is more than 11 players," said the Reds boss, who accepts his view may have been tainted by poor results.

"I could have a best team and say one week it is with X and another week it is Y but it still would be my best team because the players are interchangeable.

"I have a very clear picture now of what we should and need to be doing and the squad is stronger and getting stronger.


"It was probably stronger than I realised at certain stages in the early part of the season when we were losing games.

"Hopefully that will mean we won't need to do too much in the January transfer window because it might be nice if we can keep all of these players fit and well and add the odd player or two who can help us.

"I have a lot of faith in the players who are playing at the moment because in the last two or three weeks we have put in some good performances."

Hodgson and his scouting team have been spotted at various matches on the continent in the last few weeks.

But his belief that things are improving, allied to an uncertainty of what transfer funds will be available, is likely to mean a limited amount of activity in January.

"I don't know what is going to happen in the transfer window," said Hodgson.

"We are doing a lot of work, covering a lot of matches and looking at a lot of players.

"We are trying to arm ourselves as much as possible with information.


"It is the work in progress which every club has to do - constantly monitoring players and what is out there, what might be useful for you because you never know what is around the corner.

"When push comes to shove in January none of us know as yet what transfer funds can be made available and we have no idea if there will be any guarantee the people we are watching will be available.

"I would like to continue with this squad of players until the end of the season because I have no ambitions or desires to move anyone.

"But on the other hand I can't give a stone certain guarantee that there won't be players moving in January
, and if so we would need to know where to go for their replacements."
 
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Actually, Julian was perfectly clear. He implied that he wants players who are good enough to start for a top four side, not that they would be necessarily be automatic starters.
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Can you not see the obvious contradiction in your statement let alone his ?
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Actually, no.
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He (and now you) have said he doesn't want 'back-up strikers'. A 'not automatic starter' is then by definition not a first choice player and therefore a back-up.
 
He's a weat old fart that hasn't got a clue about anything. The best thing would be if Comolli signed a couple of good players to add to our squad, and then our new manager can decide who he wants to keep and who he wants to sell next summer.
 
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[quote author=kingjulian link=topic=42846.msg1221194#msg1221194 date=1290238863]
I want a DM and a striker.

The DM should have a fantastic engine, and should be able to cover a lot of ground and also have decent ball playing ability and technique.

Striker should be good enough to start for any of the top 4 teams in the league. I have no stomach for backup striker/ squad player nonsense.

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Oh really ?

United - Berbatov & Owen / Hernandez (Rooney is not played as the sole striker except when they have a lot of injuries).
Arsenal - Chamakh & Bendtner / v.Persie (not exactly a standalone striker though in any case). I wasn't keen on Chamakh when he was at Bordeaux but no-one can argue he hasn't been value for money 😉
Citeh - Tevez & Balotelli / Adebayor - well look at the money they've spent.
Spurs - Defoe & Crouch / Pavyluchenko
Chelsea - Drogba & Anelka (then Sturridge) - Not so sure Anelka would be first choice in any of the teams above any more but even if he was - we don't have the sort of cash Chelsea & Citeh can splash around.

So who would you buy (who would be a first team pick in any of the above) within our price range ? Except for Anelka I wouldn't particularly call any of their 'back-ups' as good enough to start (meaning first team pick) for any of the Top 4 (Balotelli is a nutter and most wouldn't ever consider him) !
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I think you missed Julian's point.
He wants a top class striker that would be capable of pushing for a place in a top four team.
You have helped his argument by pointing out everyone part from us has at least three top strikers, we have one. QED

regards
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Hmmm not often I disagree with you Vlad but I do categorically here.

Firstly Julian says very clearly START not PUSH for a place. Secondly my points, though maybe a little obscure, were a) We don't have the money for starting players for Top 4 teams so it's ridiculous to suggest that's what we should be in for and b) re. back up strikers, apart from Anelka and the nutter Balotelli, the other true strikers (not v.Persie like players) are not top class either so that sort of voids his 'not wanting a back-up striker' statement.

Looking at those teams, Chelsea aside, I would take Torres and a good 'back-up striker' over any of those.
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I'm puzzled that my post has warranted a reply and analysis like that (with italics etc..) I stated that i wanted a striker who is good enough to start for any of the top 4 teams. I meant just that. I think Vlad understood what i was trying to say, and you have complicated the whole thing with starting/pushing etc...Apologies if I didn't put my point across clearly.
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Yes, indeed perfectly clear to me

regards
 
ASTON VILLA will make a desperate attempt to reopen negotiations with Ashley Young fearing he will jump ship for Liverpool in January.

Young, 25, called a halt to all contract extension talks until the end of the season.

Now Villa are worried Liverpool are getting closer to making a £13m play for their biggest asset.

The Reds are ready to offer Villa's restless star a four-year deal and a £75,000-a-week wage.
 
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ASTON VILLA will make a desperate attempt to reopen negotiations with Ashley Young fearing he will jump ship for Liverpool in January.

Young, 25, called a halt to all contract extension talks until the end of the season.

Now Villa are worried Liverpool are getting closer to making a £13m play for their biggest asset.

The Reds are ready to offer Villa's restless star a four-year deal and a £75,000-a-week wage.
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Jizz In My Pants

he's been my LW wish for years
 
Yeah, me too.

He is miles better than what we have got though.

If it is for anything less than 15 million pounds, i won't complain at all.....but i have got to agree that there are much better wingers our there.
 
[quote author=kingjulian link=topic=42846.msg1224647#msg1224647 date=1290932766]
Yeah, me too.

He is miles better than what we have got though.

If it is for anything less than 15 million pounds, i won't complain at all.....but i have got to agree that there are much better wingers our there.
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agree with both points.
 
I think on the whole I'd rather have N'Zogbia: one year younger, probably half the fee, lower wages, similar player with a similar goalscoring record. You pay a premium for Young just because he's English.
 
What's everyone's take on Shawcross? He's a big commanding figure and has always done well when I've watched him, not sure if he can make the step up but he's always played well against Torres.
 
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