James Lawton Article

[Avmenon]

[quote author=Buddha link=topic=39473.msg1075796#msg1075796 date=1269428277]
I thought of Masher too, he'd probably thrive on the extra responsibility.

I'm not so sure stripping Gerrard of the captaincy would help Stevie though - it's a tough one for sure. He strikes me as someone who'd perceive such a move as a personal criticism and might lose confidence for a while. He needs to be the main man, no? That said, he can't get much worse and the bottom line is that the club are bigger than Stevie's ego-frailties. I just think he's probably got some issues in his private life at the moment and that things will naturally pick up for him on and off-pitch.

I wouldn't want to lose what Gerrard brings to the captaincy for the sake of one bad season (he did a good job last year and before). Sounds like the same argument to keep Rafa eh?
[/quote]

I agree with your first 2 paragraphs; Gerrard would look at the removal of the captaincy as a personal affront and would probably just make things worse.


I dont think he'd have the same views as Hyppia when the captaincy was taken from him in favour of Gerrard.

I think the best way is toactually get better players, as hard as it may be to do.

I disagree with your last para though; Rafa isn't going to turn this round.

 

[KopKing]

[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=39473.msg1075787#msg1075787 date=1269426940]
[quote author=Buddha link=topic=39473.msg1075785#msg1075785 date=1269426348]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39473.msg1075783#msg1075783 date=1269425550]
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=39473.msg1075769#msg1075769 date=1269422630]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39473.msg1075747#msg1075747 date=1269420801]
so last season 2 loses and great football at the tail end of the season and a genuine challenge should be discarded as well as the four previous seasons of finishing in the top 4 (season 1 5th place finish was with gh's sqaud) that should counted as what? luck? the past? but the ONE season where we struggle because of high profile exits, injuries, off the pitch bullshit should be count as the current trend and path we are on? okay whatever, but I choose to believe it isnt the trend mearly a difficult year that we will work through.

I think (know) I will be happier than you guys next season because rafa will still be in charge, I was proven right in the winter of last season when rafa turned it around and I'll be proven right again.
[/quote]

I think the club will benefit more from new owners rather than a new manager. (I think we need a new skipper too, but that's another story)

Having said that, even my loyalty towards the manager is diminishing. I don't even watch games anymore which my nearest and dearest think is totally bizarre.
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give it to pepe, the very model of consistancey, is not using the slump as an excuse to underachieve, saying the right things and commiting himself long term when let's be honest he could have his pick of any top club.
[/quote]

Much as I love Pepe I think the captain needs to be an outfield player.
[/quote]

I know that's the conventional wisdom, but I don't see why really. It's not as if Gerrard does much organising or even encouraging/reprimanding out on the field. The most we ever see is a disgusted snarl as a pass is misplaced or he's not given the ball when he wants it. Carra would have made a good captain (although even he's become overly negative the last couple of years), but it's too late for that now. Reina would be the obvious - and IMO the right - choice. For one thing, he plays every game. For another, he's our most consistent player. For a third, he has great stature, a big voice, and a hugely positive and proud character. I'd give it to him now, personally. It's not like Gerrard could sulk any more than he already is.

[/quote]

Good post that. To be honest I was expecting a stream of vitriol, but then it's early days.

 

[ibromurph]

I think if Rafa is given time and patience, then I think Gerrard (as captain) should be afforded the same luxury. We may as well put Gerrard on the transfer market if we're going to strip him of the captaincy after one average season.

 

[grjt]

[quote author=KopKing link=topic=39473.msg1075769#msg1075769 date=1269422630]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39473.msg1075747#msg1075747 date=1269420801]
so last season 2 loses and great football at the tail end of the season and a genuine challenge should be discarded as well as the four previous seasons of finishing in the top 4 (season 1 5th place finish was with gh's sqaud) that should counted as what? luck? the past? but the ONE season where we struggle because of high profile exits, injuries, off the pitch bullshit should be count as the current trend and path we are on? okay whatever, but I choose to believe it isnt the trend mearly a difficult year that we will work through.

I think (know) I will be happier than you guys next season because rafa will still be in charge, I was proven right in the winter of last season when rafa turned it around and I'll be proven right again.
[/quote]

I think the club will benefit more from new owners rather than a new manager. (I think we need a new skipper too, but that's another story)

Having said that, even my loyalty towards the manager is diminishing. I don't even watch games anymore which my nearest and dearest think is totally bizarre.
[/quote]

If youre not watching the games how can you hypothesise about the captains position? That's the bizarre bit...

 

[KopKing]

[quote author=grjt link=topic=39473.msg1075854#msg1075854 date=1269441183]
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=39473.msg1075769#msg1075769 date=1269422630]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39473.msg1075747#msg1075747 date=1269420801]
so last season 2 loses and great football at the tail end of the season and a genuine challenge should be discarded as well as the four previous seasons of finishing in the top 4 (season 1 5th place finish was with gh's sqaud) that should counted as what? luck? the past? but the ONE season where we struggle because of high profile exits, injuries, off the pitch bullshit should be count as the current trend and path we are on? okay whatever, but I choose to believe it isnt the trend mearly a difficult year that we will work through.

I think (know) I will be happier than you guys next season because rafa will still be in charge, I was proven right in the winter of last season when rafa turned it around and I'll be proven right again.
[/quote]

I think the club will benefit more from new owners rather than a new manager. (I think we need a new skipper too, but that's another story)

Having said that, even my loyalty towards the manager is diminishing. I don't even watch games anymore which my nearest and dearest think is totally bizarre.
[/quote]

If youre not watching the games how can you hypothesise about the captains position? That's the bizarre bit...
[/quote]

If you read carefully you'd see I said 'any more' so your next question should have been 'how long for?' and then I'd reply since the Lille game(s) which isn't very long really. So it's not bizarre really should you choose to think a little more coherently and acquire the relevant facts. I trust this adequately answers your query.

 

[Squiggles]

If the new manager strips Gerrard of the captaincy, it makes it even more likely he'll walk, IMO. Not worth the risk, although it probably has the right logic behind it.

We need him around for now.

Pepe should take over when the time is right, with Torres being made VC

 

[rebel23]

I didnt read the article, just the headline and rolled my eyes at the thought of another piece of hysteria and dumbed down analysis

if doubling revenue and quadrupling the value of the club in5 years and revamping the whole squad so it's worth a lot more, if buying players like Torres for 20 million and then getting them to perform to the point where he's the best striker in the world and worth £80m+ is a problem, then i'd hate to see what the solution is

 

[Whaddapie]

How about not being out of the title race by Christmas 80%+ of the time that you're in charge?
Or winning something with YOUR super-duper expensive squad?
Actually, how about just getting all of these international footballers to play anything remotely resembling football more than once or twice ALL SEASON?
Playing to win games rather than avoid defeat, perhaps?

 

[Squiggles]

Rebel, that's a spectacularly bad post, even for you.

 

[Avmenon]

[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=39473.msg1075879#msg1075879 date=1269445212]
Rebel, that's a spectacularly bad post, even for you.
[/quote]

It's really bad, but it doesnt come near his algorithms post a few years ago.

 

[rebel23]

[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=39473.msg1075877#msg1075877 date=1269444966]
How about not being out of the title race by Christmas 80%+ of the time that you're in charge?
Or winning something with YOUR super-duper expensive squad?
Actually, how about just getting all of these international footballers to play anything remotely resembling football more than once or twice ALL SEASON?
Playing to win games rather than avoid defeat, perhaps?
[/quote]

Fans like you find hard to understand that the club has to be on a sound footing, that clubs like Man Utd and Chelsea are double our wage budget and that you need to be patient with LFC which is nearly a constant rebuilding job and with the thin resources available especially over the last 2 years when the taps have been turned off every signing has to be a success or shipped out quickly and money recovered, which is not easy. YOU have to accept that there are certain pressures and limits evident at LFC which are not prevelent at other clubs and that this will breed the inconsistency or lead to a poor season.

Benitez has revamped the squad, he's bought players for 20 million that are worth 80 million. This is not running the club down the tubes, this is doing a good job in my eyes and he ought to be backed and allowed to repeat the trick. If our revenue doubles and the value of the club increases again over the next 5 years like it has in the previous, Benitez will not only have paid for the yanks takeover but we'll probably be starting on a new stadium which will set us up for the next 30 years, so you need to be patient with a manager like Benitez and allow for stability because over time he's done a good job for the club AND the bastard owners.

it is a crime that he hasn't had more money to invest in players and has to wheel and deal and take chances. In addition, he has rebuilt the youth setup and brought in Barce coaches over the last year, give that a few years and we'll have our own factory of talent that will have you singing again

 

[rebel23]

[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=39473.msg1075879#msg1075879 date=1269445212]
Rebel, that's a spectacularly bad post, even for you.
[/quote]

But numerous press articles fingering Benitez, the man who buys players for 20 million and who are then worth 80 million as a problem are heralded as "spot on". The same press and fans who cannot see past a few short term results or league positions

 

[KopKing]

[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=39473.msg1075879#msg1075879 date=1269445212]
Rebel, that's a spectacularly bad post, even for you.
[/quote]

What's so bad about it? It was typo free, grammatically sound and coherent.

 

[keniget]

Players? As in more than one?

Other than Torres, who else is now worth 80M rebel?

 

[Avmenon]

[quote author=keniget link=topic=39473.msg1075890#msg1075890 date=1269446494]
Players? As in more than one?

Other than Torres, who else is now worth 80M rebel?
[/quote]

I was going to suggest some players Rafa's bought who're now worth 2 bags of crisps, but that'd take too long.

 

[rebel23]

[quote author=keniget link=topic=39473.msg1075890#msg1075890 date=1269446494]
Players? As in more than one?

Other than Torres, who else is now worth 80M rebel?
[/quote]

I didnt mean a plural in the literal sense but if you want an idea of another player who's value has quadrupled like Torres then i'd suggest Reina. So he's hardly running the club down the tubes when he has signed and retained some of the best players in their positions in Europe if not the world. Like I say it's a crime he has to take a chance on £5m buys and NOW freebies, because he deserves better. Fortunately his coaching has covered up the cracks but that can only happen for so long.

I do firmly believe if he's given the freedom and resources he can sort out the problems with the team or squad in time but it just requires patience as there are no quick fixes unless there is big money available which as we know, there isn't.

 

[mark1975]

[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=39473.msg1075888#msg1075888 date=1269446440]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=39473.msg1075879#msg1075879 date=1269445212]
Rebel, that's a spectacularly bad post, even for you.
[/quote]

But numerous press articles fingering Benitez, the man who buys players for 20 million and who are then worth 80 million as a problem are heralded as "spot on". The same press and fans who cannot see past a few short term results or league positions



[/quote]

Oh fuck off Rebel. Torres is an example of this, and others are worth more than they were bought for, but what about Keane? Aquilani (who could potentially do fuck all)? Dosenna? Riera? Should I go on?

Shall we start on the £40m wasted during the Summer of 2008?

Blinkered doesn't even come close.

 

[grjt]

[quote author=KopKing link=topic=39473.msg1075860#msg1075860 date=1269441888]
[quote author=grjt link=topic=39473.msg1075854#msg1075854 date=1269441183]
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=39473.msg1075769#msg1075769 date=1269422630]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39473.msg1075747#msg1075747 date=1269420801]
so last season 2 loses and great football at the tail end of the season and a genuine challenge should be discarded as well as the four previous seasons of finishing in the top 4 (season 1 5th place finish was with gh's sqaud) that should counted as what? luck? the past? but the ONE season where we struggle because of high profile exits, injuries, off the pitch bullshit should be count as the current trend and path we are on? okay whatever, but I choose to believe it isnt the trend mearly a difficult year that we will work through.

I think (know) I will be happier than you guys next season because rafa will still be in charge, I was proven right in the winter of last season when rafa turned it around and I'll be proven right again.
[/quote]

I think the club will benefit more from new owners rather than a new manager. (I think we need a new skipper too, but that's another story)

Having said that, even my loyalty towards the manager is diminishing. I don't even watch games anymore which my nearest and dearest think is totally bizarre.
[/quote]

If youre not watching the games how can you hypothesise about the captains position? That's the bizarre bit...
[/quote]

If you read carefully you'd see I said 'any more' so your next question should have been 'how long for?' and then I'd reply since the Lille game(s) which isn't very long really. So it's not bizarre really should you choose to think a little more coherently and acquire the relevant facts. I trust this adequately answers your query.
[/quote]

So actually youre having a bit of a "look at me" hissy fit?


I'M SO FED UP I HAVENT WATCHED A GAME SINCE LAST SUNDAY [size=6pt]AND WONT AGAIN UNTIL NEXT SUNDAY[/size]

 

[rebel23]

[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=39473.msg1075894#msg1075894 date=1269446703]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=39473.msg1075888#msg1075888 date=1269446440]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=39473.msg1075879#msg1075879 date=1269445212]
Rebel, that's a spectacularly bad post, even for you.
[/quote]

But numerous press articles fingering Benitez, the man who buys players for 20 million and who are then worth 80 million as a problem are heralded as "spot on". The same press and fans who cannot see past a few short term results or league positions



[/quote]

Oh fuck off Rebel. Torres is an example of this, and others are worth more than they were bought for, but what about Keane? Aquilani (who could potentially do fuck all)? Dosenna? Riera? Should I go on?

Shall we start on the £40m wasted during the Summer of 2008?

Blinkered doesn't even come close.
[/quote]

those sums are measley compared to what City, Chelsea and Man Utd are throwing around and lets forget they've all got 80m+ a year MORE in wage bills, imagine what we could do with that every year. we'd be able to afford loads of top quality players and I bet Benitez would assemble a top class squad but we live in reality and are more tortoise than hare

 

[rebel23]

[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=39473.msg1075894#msg1075894 date=1269446703]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=39473.msg1075888#msg1075888 date=1269446440]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=39473.msg1075879#msg1075879 date=1269445212]
Rebel, that's a spectacularly bad post, even for you.
[/quote]

But numerous press articles fingering Benitez, the man who buys players for 20 million and who are then worth 80 million as a problem are heralded as "spot on". The same press and fans who cannot see past a few short term results or league positions



[/quote]

Oh fuck off Rebel. Torres is an example of this, and others are worth more than they were bought for, but what about Keane? Aquilani (who could potentially do fuck all)? Dosenna? Riera? Should I go on?

Shall we start on the £40m wasted during the Summer of 2008?

Blinkered doesn't even come close.
[/quote]

oh by the way, fuck off yourself

 

[mark1975]

[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=39473.msg1075897#msg1075897 date=1269446930]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=39473.msg1075894#msg1075894 date=1269446703]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=39473.msg1075888#msg1075888 date=1269446440]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=39473.msg1075879#msg1075879 date=1269445212]
Rebel, that's a spectacularly bad post, even for you.
[/quote]

But numerous press articles fingering Benitez, the man who buys players for 20 million and who are then worth 80 million as a problem are heralded as "spot on". The same press and fans who cannot see past a few short term results or league positions



[/quote]

Oh fuck off Rebel. Torres is an example of this, and others are worth more than they were bought for, but what about Keane? Aquilani (who could potentially do fuck all)? Dosenna? Riera? Should I go on?

Shall we start on the £40m wasted during the Summer of 2008?

Blinkered doesn't even come close.
[/quote]

those sums are measley compared to what City, Chelsea and Man Utd are throwing around and lets forget they've all got 80m+ a year MORE in wage bills, imagine what we could do with that every year. we'd be able to afford loads of top quality players and I bet Benitez would assemble a top class squad but we live in reality and are more tortoise than hare


[/quote]

Chelsea and United aren't throwing that kind of money around now, they haven't for a couple of seasons. Infact one could argue if you look at United's squad on paper, they need some additions.

 

[rebel23]

[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=39473.msg1075900#msg1075900 date=1269447110]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=39473.msg1075897#msg1075897 date=1269446930]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=39473.msg1075894#msg1075894 date=1269446703]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=39473.msg1075888#msg1075888 date=1269446440]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=39473.msg1075879#msg1075879 date=1269445212]
Rebel, that's a spectacularly bad post, even for you.
[/quote]

But numerous press articles fingering Benitez, the man who buys players for 20 million and who are then worth 80 million as a problem are heralded as "spot on". The same press and fans who cannot see past a few short term results or league positions



[/quote]

Oh fuck off Rebel. Torres is an example of this, and others are worth more than they were bought for, but what about Keane? Aquilani (who could potentially do fuck all)? Dosenna? Riera? Should I go on?

Shall we start on the £40m wasted during the Summer of 2008?

Blinkered doesn't even come close.
[/quote]

those sums are measley compared to what City, Chelsea and Man Utd are throwing around and lets forget they've all got 80m+ a year MORE in wage bills, imagine what we could do with that every year. we'd be able to afford loads of top quality players and I bet Benitez would assemble a top class squad but we live in reality and are more tortoise than hare


[/quote]

Chelsea and United aren't throwing that kind of money around now, they haven't for a couple of seasons. Infact one could argue if you look at United's squad on paper, they need some additions.
[/quote]

they are on wage bills and occasional transfer fee's, take the difference between our wage bills and give it to Benitez and we'd have top talent in every position but it's not going to happen. Our game is a longer one, we really need to get the stadium built and with Benitez in charge you have to admit he has done a sound job revamping the squad and procuring desirable and worthy players if you look at the overall value of the squad compared to just a few years ago and then look at the value of the club.

There will be high and lows but you need patience and stability if you think we have the right man and I happen to think we do, if you want to be an uncivilized twat and tell me to fuck off then that's your problem

 

[grjt]

[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=39473.msg1075900#msg1075900 date=1269447110]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=39473.msg1075897#msg1075897 date=1269446930]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=39473.msg1075894#msg1075894 date=1269446703]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=39473.msg1075888#msg1075888 date=1269446440]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=39473.msg1075879#msg1075879 date=1269445212]
Rebel, that's a spectacularly bad post, even for you.
[/quote]

But numerous press articles fingering Benitez, the man who buys players for 20 million and who are then worth 80 million as a problem are heralded as "spot on". The same press and fans who cannot see past a few short term results or league positions



[/quote]

Oh fuck off Rebel. Torres is an example of this, and others are worth more than they were bought for, but what about Keane? Aquilani (who could potentially do fuck all)? Dosenna? Riera? Should I go on?

Shall we start on the £40m wasted during the Summer of 2008?

Blinkered doesn't even come close.
[/quote]

those sums are measley compared to what City, Chelsea and Man Utd are throwing around and lets forget they've all got 80m+ a year MORE in wage bills, imagine what we could do with that every year. we'd be able to afford loads of top quality players and I bet Benitez would assemble a top class squad but we live in reality and are more tortoise than hare


[/quote]

Chelsea and United aren't throwing that kind of money around now, they haven't for a couple of seasons. Infact one could argue if you look at United's squad on paper, they need some additions.
[/quote]

Plus the loon clearly forgets that we are consistently in the top 5 wage payers in the prem, and usually only around 15-20% off top spot (which the London clubs would argue they make up in ticket prices, and the Mancs through stadium capacity).

IF WE HAD MORE MONEY REBEL YOU SPAZZ, BENITEZ WOULD STILL BE MERRILY SPUNKING HALF OF IT UP THE WALL

 

[Squiggles]

[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=39473.msg1075888#msg1075888 date=1269446440]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=39473.msg1075879#msg1075879 date=1269445212]
Rebel, that's a spectacularly bad post, even for you.
[/quote]

But numerous press articles fingering Benitez, the man who buys players for 20 million and who are then worth 80 million as a problem are heralded as "spot on". The same press and fans who cannot see past a few short term results or league positions



[/quote]

You'e got two things in your left in your locker:

Fernando Torres now being worth £80M (Yay for all of us!)
And the club now being worth X amount according to Forbes (Yay for us again)

Well in Rafa.

Give. It. Up.

 

[rebel23]

[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=39473.msg1075904#msg1075904 date=1269447564]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=39473.msg1075888#msg1075888 date=1269446440]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=39473.msg1075879#msg1075879 date=1269445212]
Rebel, that's a spectacularly bad post, even for you.
[/quote]

But numerous press articles fingering Benitez, the man who buys players for 20 million and who are then worth 80 million as a problem are heralded as "spot on". The same press and fans who cannot see past a few short term results or league positions



[/quote]

You'e got two things in your left in your locker:

Fernando Torres now being worth £80M (Yay for all of us!)
And the club now being worth X amount "according to Forbes (Yay for us again)

Give. It. Up.
[/quote]

Give what up? that despite a rubbish season we're still increasing revenues, that the value of the club has doubled in 3 years, that we're still the most watched team overseas, WOW Benitez must be such a crap manager to have engineered such a poor yet popular football side. I think i'd prefer obscurity

 

[grjt]

[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=39473.msg1075901#msg1075901 date=1269447360]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=39473.msg1075900#msg1075900 date=1269447110]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=39473.msg1075897#msg1075897 date=1269446930]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=39473.msg1075894#msg1075894 date=1269446703]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=39473.msg1075888#msg1075888 date=1269446440]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=39473.msg1075879#msg1075879 date=1269445212]
Rebel, that's a spectacularly bad post, even for you.
[/quote]

But numerous press articles fingering Benitez, the man who buys players for 20 million and who are then worth 80 million as a problem are heralded as "spot on". The same press and fans who cannot see past a few short term results or league positions



[/quote]

Oh fuck off Rebel. Torres is an example of this, and others are worth more than they were bought for, but what about Keane? Aquilani (who could potentially do fuck all)? Dosenna? Riera? Should I go on?

Shall we start on the £40m wasted during the Summer of 2008?

Blinkered doesn't even come close.
[/quote]

those sums are measley compared to what City, Chelsea and Man Utd are throwing around and lets forget they've all got 80m+ a year MORE in wage bills, imagine what we could do with that every year. we'd be able to afford loads of top quality players and I bet Benitez would assemble a top class squad but we live in reality and are more tortoise than hare


[/quote]

Chelsea and United aren't throwing that kind of money around now, they haven't for a couple of seasons. Infact one could argue if you look at United's squad on paper, they need some additions.
[/quote]

they are on wage bills and occasional transfer fee's, take the difference between our wage bills and give it to Benitez and we'd have top talent in every position but it's not going to happen. Our game is a longer one, we really need to get the stadium built and with Benitez in charge you have to admit he has done a sound job revamping the squad and procuring desirable and worthy players if you look at the overall value of the squad compared to just a few years ago and then look at the value of the club.

There will be high and lows but you need patience and stability if you think we have the right man and I happen to think we do, if you want to be an uncivilized twat and tell me to fuck off then that's your problem


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What the FUCK are you talking about?

The difference between our squad salary and Utd's last year was 20 something million - how the fuck is that allowing us "top talent in every position"? Its what we spent on Robbie-fucking-Keane.

 

[Avmenon]

He said those things because you write long tedious paragraphs of nothing; in your mind the Great Messiah would bring us to the promised Land if only he'd more money.

Are you now going to write another long paragraph about the past 2 years worth of shit transfers?

I hope that paragraph also explains his defensive tactics and our shit football.

 

[rebel23]

you mean the Robbie Keane he recovered 15 million on and wasn't allowed to spend on another striker meaning we have a rookie when Torres is out. yeah, good example to make my point

 

[grjt]

[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=39473.msg1075908#msg1075908 date=1269447828]
you mean the Robbie Keane he recovered 15 million on and wasn't allowed to spend on another striker meaning we have a rookie when Torres is out. yeah, good example to make my point


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12million. Total.

THOSE YANK BASTARDS - why wont they give Rafa more money - he only loses approximately 50% of a players value, for a minimal contribution, over a 6month period.

 

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Rebel, that's a spectacularly bad post, even for you.
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But numerous press articles fingering Benitez, the man who buys players for 20 million and who are then worth 80 million as a problem are heralded as "spot on". The same press and fans who cannot see past a few short term results or league positions



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Oh fuck off Rebel. Torres is an example of this, and others are worth more than they were bought for, but what about Keane? Aquilani (who could potentially do fuck all)? Dosenna? Riera? Should I go on?

Shall we start on the £40m wasted during the Summer of 2008?

Blinkered doesn't even come close.
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those sums are measley compared to what City, Chelsea and Man Utd are throwing around and lets forget they've all got 80m+ a year MORE in wage bills, imagine what we could do with that every year. we'd be able to afford loads of top quality players and I bet Benitez would assemble a top class squad but we live in reality and are more tortoise than hare


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Chelsea and United aren't throwing that kind of money around now, they haven't for a couple of seasons. Infact one could argue if you look at United's squad on paper, they need some additions.
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Plus the loon clearly forgets that we are consistently in the top 5 wage payers in the prem, and usually only around 15-20% off top spot (which the London clubs would argue they make up in ticket prices, and the Mancs through stadium capacity).

IF WE HAD MORE MONEY REBEL YOU SPAZZ, BENITEZ WOULD STILL BE MERRILY SPUNKING HALF OF IT UP THE WALL
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I have to interject here. There's a correlation between silverware and wage bills even more so over the last 5 years. Also there's no evidence to suggest that Rafa would 'spunk' anything up any wall. We used to have the 2nd highest capacity stadium in the country. We used to regularly smash the transfer record. If you are suggesting that any manager could come in with a net spend of zero and improve us, you're in Cloud Cuckoo land.