A wise woman once said to me..
- It's always to late to be sorry, and too soon to worry'
"It's complicated"? -- No it isn't, fuck off Barca - £113 Million bid rejected
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Oh yeah, I once again forgot that all games pre September 1st dont count.
We are unbeaten so far with this shower of shit so we must do something right.
I guess I was the original camper in the Yanks out camp.... And people looked in my direction with a sarcastic grin om their faces.. . Not too sarcastic now I guess. But so my defence of the owners is only related to the hysterical shit being thrown around about them being lying cunts over Coutinho. They said he is not for sale and they have not sold him. I do expect no praise for them, but this kind of moaning is just pointless.
Guillem Balague on Philippe Coutinho
Throughout this transfer saga Sky Sports pundit Guillem Balague has posted plenty of updates on the Brazilian.
This has continued on Thursday, as Balague has updated his social media followers on how to understand the comments from Pep Segura.
In positive news for Liverpool fans, Balague believes that Coutinho is still most likely to remain at Anfield this summer.
He believes that when the Barcelona official claimed a deal was close, he was referring to Borussia Dortmund’s Ousmane Dembele.
Ousmane Dembele went on strike at the club last week and has supposedly flown to Barcelona in anticipation of a deal being completed.
‘Liverpool have’t moved’
On Wednesday, Spanish paper Mundo Deportivo reported that Philippe Coutinho is now putting even more pressure on Liverpool to sell him to Barcelona.
Coutinho does not want to miss the opportunity to play for Barcelona and has told Liverpool he will never play for them again.
The Brazilian superstar has informed Jurgen Klopp that he does not plan to wear a Liverpool shirt again.
Yet Balague is convinced that Liverpool are determined to keep hold of the 25-year-old Brazilian. The pundit said:
Liverpool haven’t moved an inch their position on Coutinho: they not selling.
Read all the updates below.
Throughout this transfer saga Sky Sports pundit Guillem Balague has posted plenty of updates on the Brazilian.
This has continued on Thursday, as Balague has updated his social media followers on how to understand the comments from Pep Segura.
In positive news for Liverpool fans, Balague believes that Coutinho is still most likely to remain at Anfield this summer.
He believes that when the Barcelona official claimed a deal was close, he was referring to Borussia Dortmund’s Ousmane Dembele.
Ousmane Dembele went on strike at the club last week and has supposedly flown to Barcelona in anticipation of a deal being completed.
‘Liverpool have’t moved’
On Wednesday, Spanish paper Mundo Deportivo reported that Philippe Coutinho is now putting even more pressure on Liverpool to sell him to Barcelona.
Coutinho does not want to miss the opportunity to play for Barcelona and has told Liverpool he will never play for them again.
The Brazilian superstar has informed Jurgen Klopp that he does not plan to wear a Liverpool shirt again.
Yet Balague is convinced that Liverpool are determined to keep hold of the 25-year-old Brazilian. The pundit said:
Liverpool haven’t moved an inch their position on Coutinho: they not selling.
Read all the updates below.
1. When last night Pep Segura, FCB general manager, was talking about "deal is close" I am pretty sure he meant only Dembele pic.twitter.com/awq9mTBxTX
— Guillem Balague (@GuillemBalague) August 17, 2017
— Guillem Balague (@GuillemBalague) August 17, 2017
2. Segura knows Liverpool haven't moved an inch their position on Coutinho: they not selling. Will they be able to maintain it till the end?
— Guillem Balague (@GuillemBalague) August 17, 2017
— Guillem Balague (@GuillemBalague) August 17, 2017
3. Despite the insistence of Catalan press (FCB have nothing to do with it) about meetings this week, nothing is planned between LFC and FCB
— Guillem Balague (@GuillemBalague) August 17, 2017
— Guillem Balague (@GuillemBalague) August 17, 2017
I've heard he's gone. Not the usual source, though, so I don't know how reliable it is.
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You may be happy with the wait and see approach but most of us have seen it all before with these owners.
They once claimed the club could compete to sign any player anywhere which was bullshit at the time , has been bullshit in the intervening time and will be bullshit in the future.
They are the only owners in Liverpool history as far as I can tell that have apologised to the fans regarding a failed transfer window but continually repeat the same mistake of not investing in the squad or team.
They have changed their minds so many times about how they want the club to be run or who makes decisions about certain aspects of the organisation you could be forgiven for thinking they don't know what the fuck they are doing.
I doubt I can recall all of the fuck ups they have been involved in but let me reel off the few I can remember ( in no particular order)
1 - Jen Chang - The short lived communications director that threatened a fictional journalist and had to resign.
2 - Damien Comoli - the former director of football strategy who was very good at signing players but unfortunately most of the players were shit and overpriced. He lasted from November 2010 to April 2012.
3 - The £77 ticket debacle which saw an estimated 10,000 fans leave the ground during a game. They swiftly issued an apology to try and appease fans but this seemed less than genuine when John Henry seven months later used the fans protest as an excuse for not continuing with the Anfield road stand revamp.
4 - The Luis Suarez racism fiasco. They fucked that up from start to finish and were far too easily bullied by the FA, PFA, Man Utd and the press and didn't do enough to protect the player from the authorities or the club from the damage it did to our reputation.
5 - Transforming fans into customers. This ill advised statement on the FSG website concerning lIverpool once again completely misjudged the very people they were trying to transform and whilst they subsequently changed it to 'transforming consumers into fans' it pretty much means the same fucking thing. Football supporters are invariably tribalistic and don't take kindly to the suggestion that they are customers. When I'm in Tesco I'm a customer but that doesn't mean I wouldn't go into Asda because I only support Tesco. I don't support Liverpool one week and Everton the next either.
6 - Brendan Rodgers and the director of football. When they sacked Dalglish and were hunting for a new manager all we heard from FSG was they wanted the new man to work under a director of football as this was the way they thought we could get sustainable success. Then they changed their minds when Brendan Rodgers refused to work under one and were apparently impressed by his confidence. Maybe the phrase you can't bullshit a bullshitter doesn't always work then.
7 - Transfer Committee - Rodgers blamed it for the players who failed irrespective of him claiming to have the last say on any signing. I very much doubt this was the case. I was no fan of Rodgers from the start but when a manager can be outvoted or his choices vetoed from signing a player by scouts and so called analytical experts then football has gone mad. FSG let this ridiculousness carry on for far too long.
8 - Balotelli - This has to be the worst transfer in LFC's history . Some people may argue Andy Carroll but I think this cost the club just as much and at least Carroll scored a few goals but Balotelli was hopeless from start to finish. It also made the manager look like a tit when we signed him as he's said there was no chance of it happening just weeks before. FSG or the aforementioned transfer committee forced the signing on Rodgers by giving him the choice of Balotelli or no one.
9 - Being Liverpool. This sounded like a bad idea and proved to be exactly that. I have never seen one of these behind the scenes sports programs which make the participants look anything but inept. Remember the Sunderland one with Peter Reid or the England one with Graham Taylor? Cringe worthy and embarrassing. It also gave the new manager the opportunity to look like a bellend which he duly took (the 2 envelopes thing and the portrait of himself on his wall).
10 - Transfer negotiations - This one is a group effort and spans the entirety of FSG's reign. Damien Commoli spending 35 million on Carroll , tapping players up and getting caught again and again, failing to land Delli Alli when everything seemed sorted only for the club to balls it up somehow, losing out to Chelsea on Willian or Salah, the konoplyanka transfer falling through, the teixeira one doing the same, Clint Dempsey and another grovelling apology from the owners, Mkhitaryan and again the negotiators fucked it up , Loic Remy etc etc . Too many to go on about really.
I'm not saying the owners couldn't be worse as they clearly could but they could be a lot better, It's not just about money either but the way the club is run just beggars belief at times. Nothing surprises me with how inept , unprofessional or unprepared we are and continue to be with these owners.
I don't think I am whining.
You may be happy with the wait and see approach but most of us have seen it all before with these owners.
They once claimed the club could compete to sign any player anywhere which was bullshit at the time , has been bullshit in the intervening time and will be bullshit in the future.
They are the only owners in Liverpool history as far as I can tell that have apologised to the fans regarding a failed transfer window but continually repeat the same mistake of not investing in the squad or team.
They have changed their minds so many times about how they want the club to be run or who makes decisions about certain aspects of the organisation you could be forgiven for thinking they don't know what the fuck they are doing.
I doubt I can recall all of the fuck ups they have been involved in but let me reel off the few I can remember ( in no particular order)
1 - Jen Chang - The short lived communications director that threatened a fictional journalist and had to resign.
2 - Damien Comoli - the former director of football strategy who was very good at signing players but unfortunately most of the players were shit and overpriced. He lasted from November 2010 to April 2012.
3 - The £77 ticket debacle which saw an estimated 10,000 fans leave the ground during a game. They swiftly issued an apology to try and appease fans but this seemed less than genuine when John Henry seven months later used the fans protest as an excuse for not continuing with the Anfield road stand revamp.
4 - The Luis Suarez racism fiasco. They fucked that up from start to finish and were far too easily bullied by the FA, PFA, Man Utd and the press and didn't do enough to protect the player from the authorities or the club from the damage it did to our reputation.
5 - Transforming fans into customers. This ill advised statement on the FSG website concerning lIverpool once again completely misjudged the very people they were trying to transform and whilst they subsequently changed it to 'transforming consumers into fans' it pretty much means the same fucking thing. Football supporters are invariably tribalistic and don't take kindly to the suggestion that they are customers. When I'm in Tesco I'm a customer but that doesn't mean I wouldn't go into Asda because I only support Tesco. I don't support Liverpool one week and Everton the next either.
6 - Brendan Rodgers and the director of football. When they sacked Dalglish and were hunting for a new manager all we heard from FSG was they wanted the new man to work under a director of football as this was the way they thought we could get sustainable success. Then they changed their minds when Brendan Rodgers refused to work under one and were apparently impressed by his confidence. Maybe the phrase you can't bullshit a bullshitter doesn't always work then.
7 - Transfer Committee - Rodgers blamed it for the players who failed irrespective of him claiming to have the last say on any signing. I very much doubt this was the case. I was no fan of Rodgers from the start but when a manager can be outvoted or his choices vetoed from signing a player by scouts and so called analytical experts then football has gone mad. FSG let this ridiculousness carry on for far too long.
8 - Balotelli - This has to be the worst transfer in LFC's history . Some people may argue Andy Carroll but I think this cost the club just as much and at least Carroll scored a few goals but Balotelli was hopeless from start to finish. It also made the manager look like a tit when we signed him as he's said there was no chance of it happening just weeks before. FSG or the aforementioned transfer committee forced the signing on Rodgers by giving him the choice of Balotelli or no one.
9 - Being Liverpool. This sounded like a bad idea and proved to be exactly that. I have never seen one of these behind the scenes sports programs which make the participants look anything but inept. Remember the Sunderland one with Peter Reid or the England one with Graham Taylor? Cringe worthy and embarrassing. It also gave the new manager the opportunity to look like a bellend which he duly took (the 2 envelopes thing and the portrait of himself on his wall).
10 - Transfer negotiations - This one is a group effort and spans the entirety of FSG's reign. Damien Commoli spending 35 million on Carroll , tapping players up and getting caught again and again, failing to land Delli Alli when everything seemed sorted only for the club to balls it up somehow, losing out to Chelsea on Willian or Salah, the konoplyanka transfer falling through, the teixeira one doing the same, Clint Dempsey and another grovelling apology from the owners, Mkhitaryan and again the negotiators fucked it up , Loic Remy etc etc . Too many to go on about really.
I'm not saying the owners couldn't be worse as they clearly could but they could be a lot better, It's not just about money either but the way the club is run just beggars belief at times. Nothing surprises me with how inept , unprofessional or unprepared we are and continue to be with these owners.
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His agent and family are blabbering on about amicable terms which are making zero sense.
The way I see it and as stupid as it sounds is that Coutinho is basically saying 'I'll stay if you let me leave'.
That's the only amicable agreement he's seeking.
The way I see it and as stupid as it sounds is that Coutinho is basically saying 'I'll stay if you let me leave'.
That's the only amicable agreement he's seeking.
Is that really the hope you are clinging onto?
We played Watford, not exactly amazing. Hoff are a decent side and it was an ok result but not exactly something to be amazed about.
Nobody's saying it is. The point some of us are making is that the evidence doesn't get anywhere near justifying calling FSG "cnuts".
So we are their Southampton's are we? They are doing to us what we tried to do with Red Bull Leipzig and Southampton.
We can't negotiate a decent deal for first choice players, we look like amateurs and have to apologise to teams.. we look pretty pathetic really.
There are still 2 weeks to go and I'm not so sure we are miles behind the other teams and that each of those teams has some serious issues of their own but papering over the cracks by saying we have not lost in the two games so far this season is BS.
There are still 2 weeks to go and I'm not so sure we are miles behind the other teams and that each of those teams has some serious issues of their own but papering over the cracks by saying we have not lost in the two games so far this season is BS.
This. The money that's been pouring in through increased TV revenues (and ticket prices over the years) does not appear to be getting spent. I always thought they were just around to make money but I thought that they may take the longer term view that the more successful the club is on the pitch, the more money they will make later on, but it appears they'd rather just invest the minimum to keep us in the top 6 or so.
Are you guys guessing or is this genuinely based on facts? Do you actually know they are taking money out of the club? I've got no idea if they are or not, but would obviously be interested to know.
We will have a better idea of where we are come September 1st but no one wants the same old excuses from the club and manager that signing players is hard and we can't compete with the richer clubs and we're happy with the players we've got and all that tired arl shite. Smaller clubs than us are strengthening their squads and most of them haven't got added european fixtures to contend with which the club will no doubt be moaning about come November as the players are tired and there's too many games etc.
The price of success in football is more games and you can't have the first without expecting the second.
The price of success in football is more games and you can't have the first without expecting the second.
One thing that's certain is that any decision to focus our efforts solely on van Dijk and Keita will have been the manager's, not that of the owners, given that we could have bought other players for less than we were always going to be charged for those two.
And in case that sounds like I'm joining in with the criticism of that decision, I'm not. Time after time after feckin time over recent years we've gone for our second/third/whatever choices and watched them fall short. Klopp clearly wants an end to that, and he's a darn sight better placed than anyone here to judge how best to react if we don't (yet) land the players we actually want.
I agree with everything you have said there, JJ.
Don't care the point is we need to be as difficult to negotiate with just as Redbull and Southampton have been with us. Take them to the cleaners otherwise every year we'll end up bending over to these are holes whenever they come calling for one of our players
They can have any Coutinho for 130 if they buy Origi and Studge for 50 each as well.
I think people are getting a little bit mixed up with this second / third choice business.
It's pretty standard to have contingency plans in place - to not have alternative targets would be pretty negligent. But we already know that Klopp will sign alternative targets because that's how Salah, Mane and Wijnaldum have ended up at Liverpool.
The issues we've had in the past is padding out the squad with unnecessary (and generally shit) squad players that can't be relied upon.
The overarching point is we need a clear strategy for the short and medium term in place. And to not sign shit players.
KLOPP ON COUTINHO
Philippe Coutinho top of the transfer agenda, too - Liverpool are adamant the midfielder won't leave, despite Barcelona's general manager declaring a deal "close".
Klopp was asked about Coutinho's attitude - and whether there was any substance to reports suggesting the player could go on strike to force through a move...
Philippe Coutinho top of the transfer agenda, too - Liverpool are adamant the midfielder won't leave, despite Barcelona's general manager declaring a deal "close".
Klopp was asked about Coutinho's attitude - and whether there was any substance to reports suggesting the player could go on strike to force through a move...
Coz he touches his ear lobe ?
The point I was making wasn't that Klopp won't ever sign alternatives. It was, and it remains, that he won't sign alternatives simply for the sake of making a signing if he doesn't think the alternatives are good enough. If he reckons they aren't, as apparently in the case of van Dijk and Keita, it would be negligent to go for them.
No. You're not.
I don't even need to watch it to tell that Klopp is pissed off with the constant questions over Coutinho just as he was with the constant questions about Sturridge's fitness for the past couple of years.
He hates having to repeat himself to Journalists who turn up to press conferences with no more purpose that to stir the shit.
He hates having to repeat himself to Journalists who turn up to press conferences with no more purpose that to stir the shit.
It's rather naive to expect that the ongoing transfer saga involving one of your best players, who has made it clear he wishes to join Barcelona, wouldn't be a topic that journalists would be interested in talking about in a press conference.
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