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Italian Football- Why has the giant fallen?

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Watching them (the Italian national team), they look like a shadow of their former selves. Other than Barella, Bastoni and Chiesa which other player would get into a top side?
Even their league games look miserable - it just doesn't have the atmosphere it once had.
 
Finance is 1 reason:



[article]"Sky and DAZN are not competent, they don’t do the good of Italian football. The value of our football must go through investments and fans are our absolute good.

“When I see packages that include Champions League, Serie A, TV series and shows, I don’t understand the real value of Italian football. DAZN sell Italian football alongside other sports. It was also stupid to make a five-year deal after reaching an agreement with Saudi Arabia, now that there is a war.

"Sky and DAZN are not making great investments. I was watching the Premier League the other day, Arsenal-Chelsea. Then I watched three Serie A matches. The shooting modes of our football are laughable, but these broadcasters have never told us. We keep talking about real stadiums, but we never think about virtual stadiums."
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[article]The debt taken out by Inter’s holding company Grand Tower stood at €329m (£283.1m; $362m) at the end of last year and will keep accruing interest until it matures in May next year when chairman Steven Zhang will either have to repay it, refinance it or lose control of the club.

The run to Istanbul, a boon in TV and prize money, did little to relieve the pack horse of its load other than negate the need for Inter to sell players for Financial Fair Play purposes by June 30. Any acquisitions, however, would still need to be funded by sales to the Premier League and Saudi Pro League. For instance, the signing of Italy international midfielder Davide Frattesi could only go through once Marcelo Brozovic was persuaded to leave for Al Nassr. Brozovic’s reluctance ended up eating into Inter’s profit margin as the initial fee agreed by the clubs needed re-negotiating (for less money) when the Croatia international kept raising his salary demands to soften the blow of abandoning Milan for Riyadh.

A recent investigation by L’Espresso published new figures showing the football pyramid in Italy has consolidated debts of €5.6bn.

Roma find themselves bottom of the spending tables after an outlay of nothing at all. General manager Tiago Pinto faced a race against time to bring in €30m by June 30 in order to be FFP compliant and worked a minor miracle in doing so through the sale of six different non-essential players rather than a single starter. Incoming business has been limited to the free transfers of Houssem Aouar and Evan N’Dicka, not to mention the loan of Rasmus Kristensen.

It’s telling that of the three Serie A teams that reached European finals last year only Fiorentina, who opened their magnificent new state of the art training ground this summer, are a picture of health.[/article]

Not investing in young players is another.

[article]Mancini, speaking at a forum to discuss Italian football on Friday, acknowledged little has changed in Italy to develop homegrown talent in recent years as he expressed his concern. "In the last four years, little has happened and in fact in the national team we are always the same," he said, as quoted by CalcioMercato. "The first thing is to give more confidence to the coaches as Milan did with [Stefano] Pioli: two years ago he seemed to be leaving, today he is winning the championship. "Many coaches they don't let young players play because they are afraid of making mistakes. Being down to 32 per cent of Italian players [in Serie A] is highly limiting for all national teams. "[Nicolo] Zaniolo arrived in Coverciano [Italy's training base] for the first time and looked like a child, after two months everything has changed. The boys improve quickly."

"Honestly I hoped more players could come through, but in recent years the situation hasn't changed: there are many good young people who can't find chances."[/article]

Dated 2022:
https://www.invertedwinger.com/do-s...oung-talents-or-rely-on-accomplished-players/

[article]It's clear that Serie A sides tend to rely on more mature players in general. Most of the teams (14 out of 20) are on average older than the peak age, with the champions (yes, it's not a coincidence) Inter Milan, the oldest team by a considerable margin. Only six teams are on average younger than the Serie A peak age and out of these only AC Milan are in a top-four spot.[/article]
 
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Finance is 1 reason:



[article]"Sky and DAZN are not competent, they don’t do the good of Italian football. The value of our football must go through investments and fans are our absolute good.

“When I see packages that include Champions League, Serie A, TV series and shows, I don’t understand the real value of Italian football. DAZN sell Italian football alongside other sports. It was also stupid to make a five-year deal after reaching an agreement with Saudi Arabia, now that there is a war.

"Sky and DAZN are not making great investments. I was watching the Premier League the other day, Arsenal-Chelsea. Then I watched three Serie A matches. The shooting modes of our football are laughable, but these broadcasters have never told us. We keep talking about real stadiums, but we never think about virtual stadiums."
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[article]The debt taken out by Inter’s holding company Grand Tower stood at €329m (£283.1m; $362m) at the end of last year and will keep accruing interest until it matures in May next year when chairman Steven Zhang will either have to repay it, refinance it or lose control of the club.

The run to Istanbul, a boon in TV and prize money, did little to relieve the pack horse of its load other than negate the need for Inter to sell players for Financial Fair Play purposes by June 30. Any acquisitions, however, would still need to be funded by sales to the Premier League and Saudi Pro League. For instance, the signing of Italy international midfielder Davide Frattesi could only go through once Marcelo Brozovic was persuaded to leave for Al Nassr. Brozovic’s reluctance ended up eating into Inter’s profit margin as the initial fee agreed by the clubs needed re-negotiating (for less money) when the Croatia international kept raising his salary demands to soften the blow of abandoning Milan for Riyadh.

A recent investigation by L’Espresso published new figures showing the football pyramid in Italy has consolidated debts of €5.6bn.

Roma find themselves bottom of the spending tables after an outlay of nothing at all. General manager Tiago Pinto faced a race against time to bring in €30m by June 30 in order to be FFP compliant and worked a minor miracle in doing so through the sale of six different non-essential players rather than a single starter. Incoming business has been limited to the free transfers of Houssem Aouar and Evan N’Dicka, not to mention the loan of Rasmus Kristensen.

It’s telling that of the three Serie A teams that reached European finals last year only Fiorentina, who opened their magnificent new state of the art training ground this summer, are a picture of health.[/article]

Not investing in young players is another.

[article]Mancini, speaking at a forum to discuss Italian football on Friday, acknowledged little has changed in Italy to develop homegrown talent in recent years as he expressed his concern. "In the last four years, little has happened and in fact in the national team we are always the same," he said, as quoted by CalcioMercato. "The first thing is to give more confidence to the coaches as Milan did with [Stefano] Pioli: two years ago he seemed to be leaving, today he is winning the championship. "Many coaches they don't let young players play because they are afraid of making mistakes. Being down to 32 per cent of Italian players [in Serie A] is highly limiting for all national teams. "[Nicolo] Zaniolo arrived in Coverciano [Italy's training base] for the first time and looked like a child, after two months everything has changed. The boys improve quickly."

"Honestly I hoped more players could come through, but in recent years the situation hasn't changed: there are many good young people who can't find chances."[/article]

Dated 2022:
https://www.invertedwinger.com/do-s...oung-talents-or-rely-on-accomplished-players/

[article]It's clear that Serie A sides tend to rely on more mature players in general. Most of the teams (14 out of 20) are on average older than the peak age, with the champions (yes, it's not a coincidence) Inter Milan, the oldest team by a considerable margin. Only six teams are on average younger than the Serie A peak age and out of these only AC Milan are in a top-four spot.[/article]

Where are the exciting talents they had in the past? poor nations much poorer than Italy are producing talent. Barella and probably Donnarama is the only elite talent I think they have. They certainly do not have a great striker. Before anyone mentions Chiesa, you have to be fit to play.
 
I wonder what part their footballing approach plays in the downfall? The whole pride in being defensive and winning by keeping it super tight thing doesn’t seem like a massive draw for fans.
 
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