Ireland.

[Delinquent]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39140.msg1063177#msg1063177 date=1267566234]
Wow what a fucking goal that was. 2 backheels, 1 nutmeg and 4 1 touch passes. Goal.
[/quote]

It's funny, the commentators earlier were talking about how the Brazilian team are moving further and further away from 'sexy' football.

 

[the count]

[quote author=Skullflower link=topic=39140.msg1063221#msg1063221 date=1267567118]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39140.msg1063215#msg1063215 date=1267567050]
[quote author=Skullflower link=topic=39140.msg1063207#msg1063207 date=1267566881]
is it THE mccarthy? the one we've made several attempts at signing?
[/quote]Yeah.
[/quote]

any good?
[/quote]

From the bit I have seen of him with Wigan I would definitely say promising

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=the count link=topic=39140.msg1063226#msg1063226 date=1267567214]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39140.msg1063218#msg1063218 date=1267567084]
O'Shea's not wank Oncy. Not even in the slightest.
[/quote]

Yea. For a wankey player he would get a lot of game time for us.
As he does for Man U.
[/quote]Hes still at United because he can cover about 5 positions. He isn't the best in any of them.

 

[Loch Ness Monster]

Jack of all trades, master of none.
Sadly he would do a massive job for us at LB, and at RB while Magic has been on holiday.

 

[the count]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39140.msg1063233#msg1063233 date=1267567364]
[quote author=the count link=topic=39140.msg1063226#msg1063226 date=1267567214]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39140.msg1063218#msg1063218 date=1267567084]
O'Shea's not wank Oncy. Not even in the slightest.
[/quote]

Yea. For a wankey player he would get a lot of game time for us.
As he does for Man U.
[/quote]Hes still at United because he can cover about 5 positions. He isn't the best in any of them.
[/quote]

That doesn't mean that he wouldn't get lots of game time with us.
And just because he is versatile without being outstanding in those positions, doesn't necessarily mean that he is wank

 

[ILD]

O' Shea really turned a corner for United and for Ireland. If he was fit he would be first choice RB for united this season.

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=the count link=topic=39140.msg1063243#msg1063243 date=1267567598]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39140.msg1063233#msg1063233 date=1267567364]
[quote author=the count link=topic=39140.msg1063226#msg1063226 date=1267567214]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39140.msg1063218#msg1063218 date=1267567084]
O'Shea's not wank Oncy. Not even in the slightest.
[/quote]

Yea. For a wankey player he would get a lot of game time for us.
As he does for Man U.
[/quote]Hes still at United because he can cover about 5 positions. He isn't the best in any of them.
[/quote]

That doesn't mean that he wouldn't get lots of game time with us.
And just because he is versatile without being outstanding in those positions, doesn't necessarily mean that he is wank
[/quote]The fact he'd play for us is a reflection of how poor we are and not how good he is. Maybe wank was unfair. Average to poor.

 

[the count]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39140.msg1063249#msg1063249 date=1267567779]
[quote author=the count link=topic=39140.msg1063243#msg1063243 date=1267567598]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39140.msg1063233#msg1063233 date=1267567364]
[quote author=the count link=topic=39140.msg1063226#msg1063226 date=1267567214]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39140.msg1063218#msg1063218 date=1267567084]
O'Shea's not wank Oncy. Not even in the slightest.
[/quote]

Yea. For a wankey player he would get a lot of game time for us.
As he does for Man U.
[/quote]Hes still at United because he can cover about 5 positions. He isn't the best in any of them.
[/quote]

That doesn't mean that he wouldn't get lots of game time with us.
And just because he is versatile without being outstanding in those positions, doesn't necessarily mean that he is wank
[/quote]The fact he'd play for us is a reflection of how poor we are and not how good he is. Maybe wank was unfair. Average to poor.
[/quote]

So the fact that, bar injury, he would be a regular starter with the current Premiership champions reflects what?

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=the count link=topic=39140.msg1063254#msg1063254 date=1267567882]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39140.msg1063249#msg1063249 date=1267567779]
[quote author=the count link=topic=39140.msg1063243#msg1063243 date=1267567598]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39140.msg1063233#msg1063233 date=1267567364]
[quote author=the count link=topic=39140.msg1063226#msg1063226 date=1267567214]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39140.msg1063218#msg1063218 date=1267567084]
O'Shea's not wank Oncy. Not even in the slightest.
[/quote]

Yea. For a wankey player he would get a lot of game time for us.
As he does for Man U.
[/quote]Hes still at United because he can cover about 5 positions. He isn't the best in any of them.
[/quote]

That doesn't mean that he wouldn't get lots of game time with us.
And just because he is versatile without being outstanding in those positions, doesn't necessarily mean that he is wank
[/quote]The fact he'd play for us is a reflection of how poor we are and not how good he is. Maybe wank was unfair. Average to poor.
[/quote]

So the fact that, bar injury, he would be a regular starter with the current Premiership champions reflects what?
[/quote]That you assume too much?
In his entire career he has never NEVER been a regular starter. I'd be suprised if he'd played more than 3 games on the bounce. He's a steady player who does a steady job. He just isn't very good.
If you Ryan, Ild and all the other Irish lads rate him, that's fine, I can live with that, and to be fair you probably see more of him than I do, but I think he's poor.

 

[Rosco]

Here are his appearances from last year mate:

http://www.soccerbase.com/players_details.sd?playerid=18121


He's not great by any stretch but he's a good player and he'd get a game for most sides in England.

 

[the count]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39140.msg1063261#msg1063261 date=1267568203]
[quote author=the count link=topic=39140.msg1063254#msg1063254 date=1267567882]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39140.msg1063249#msg1063249 date=1267567779]
[quote author=the count link=topic=39140.msg1063243#msg1063243 date=1267567598]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39140.msg1063233#msg1063233 date=1267567364]
[quote author=the count link=topic=39140.msg1063226#msg1063226 date=1267567214]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39140.msg1063218#msg1063218 date=1267567084]
O'Shea's not wank Oncy. Not even in the slightest.
[/quote]

Yea. For a wankey player he would get a lot of game time for us.
As he does for Man U.
[/quote]Hes still at United because he can cover about 5 positions. He isn't the best in any of them.
[/quote]

That doesn't mean that he wouldn't get lots of game time with us.
And just because he is versatile without being outstanding in those positions, doesn't necessarily mean that he is wank
[/quote]The fact he'd play for us is a reflection of how poor we are and not how good he is. Maybe wank was unfair. Average to poor.
[/quote]

So the fact that, bar injury, he would be a regular starter with the current Premiership champions reflects what?
[/quote]That you assume too much?
In his entire career he has never NEVER been a regular starter. I'd be suprised if he'd played more than 3 games on the bounce. He's a steady player who does a steady job. He just isn't very good.
If you Ryan, Ild and all the other Irish lads rate him, that's fine, I can live with that, and to be fair you probably see more of him than I do, but I think he's poor.
[/quote]

He has gone from wank, to poor to average
I don't think that he is the bee's knees either Oncey but I think we are getting closer to his real capabilities now.

PS. Me and you aren't going to fall out over John O Shea but even if we did I doubt if we would be the first blokes to do ..............
Alledgedly.

 

[Ryan]

[quote author=ILD link=topic=39140.msg1063248#msg1063248 date=1267567740]
O' Shea really turned a corner for United and for Ireland. If he was fit he would be first choice RB for united this season.
[/quote]

Is correct.

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=Rosco link=topic=39140.msg1063264#msg1063264 date=1267568345]
Here are his appearances from last year mate:

http://www.soccerbase.com/players_details.sd?playerid=18121


He's not great by any stretch but he's a good player and he'd get a game for most sides in England.
[/quote]That just shows he's made 103 league starts in 11 years at the club Rosco. That's 10 a year. As I said he's a jobber. Lucas has probably played that many games for us in 2 years.

 

[Loch Ness Monster]

THIS IS NOT A LUCAS DEBATE GODDAMNIT!

 

[Ryan]

Oncy, you're wrong on this mate. He's a very fine defender.

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=the count link=topic=39140.msg1063265#msg1063265 date=1267568352]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39140.msg1063261#msg1063261 date=1267568203]
[quote author=the count link=topic=39140.msg1063254#msg1063254 date=1267567882]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39140.msg1063249#msg1063249 date=1267567779]
[quote author=the count link=topic=39140.msg1063243#msg1063243 date=1267567598]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39140.msg1063233#msg1063233 date=1267567364]
[quote author=the count link=topic=39140.msg1063226#msg1063226 date=1267567214]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39140.msg1063218#msg1063218 date=1267567084]
O'Shea's not wank Oncy. Not even in the slightest.
[/quote]

Yea. For a wankey player he would get a lot of game time for us.
As he does for Man U.
[/quote]Hes still at United because he can cover about 5 positions. He isn't the best in any of them.
[/quote]

That doesn't mean that he wouldn't get lots of game time with us.
And just because he is versatile without being outstanding in those positions, doesn't necessarily mean that he is wank
[/quote]The fact he'd play for us is a reflection of how poor we are and not how good he is. Maybe wank was unfair. Average to poor.
[/quote]

So the fact that, bar injury, he would be a regular starter with the current Premiership champions reflects what?
[/quote]That you assume too much?
In his entire career he has never NEVER been a regular starter. I'd be suprised if he'd played more than 3 games on the bounce. He's a steady player who does a steady job. He just isn't very good.
If you Ryan, Ild and all the other Irish lads rate him, that's fine, I can live with that, and to be fair you probably see more of him than I do, but I think he's poor.
[/quote]

He has gone from wank, to poor to average
I don't think that he is the bee's knees either Oncey but I think we are getting closer to his real capabilities now.

PS. Me and you aren't going to fall out over John O Shea but even if we did I doubt if we would be the first blokes to do ..............
Alledgedly.
[/quote]Im just trying to be nice Count. And no we'd never fall out*



*but he IS wank.

 

[Loch Ness Monster]

He has maybe struggled to fit the stereotypical FB mould that the scum normally use (Evra Neville Irwin etc) as he struggles to provide real quality in the attacking third. As far as his defending goes, he is decent.

 

[ILD]

Can see Oncy and Count at this all night.

 

[Rosco]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39140.msg1063275#msg1063275 date=1267568838]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=39140.msg1063264#msg1063264 date=1267568345]
Here are his appearances from last year mate:

http://www.soccerbase.com/players_details.sd?playerid=18121


He's not great by any stretch but he's a good player and he'd get a game for most sides in England.
[/quote]That just shows he's made 103 league starts in 11 years at the club Rosco. That's 10 a year. As I said he's a jobber. Lucas has probably played that many games for us in 2 years.
[/quote]

Look at his recent seasons Oncy.

He's a regular in a title winning side.

 

[Jack D Rips]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39140.msg1063170#msg1063170 date=1267565946]
I havnt seen them play this bad in years. Fucking falling to pieces.
Ps-whoever it was who was denying the tenuous links some players have with Ireland, new cap tonight James McCarthy. Born - Glasgow. Mother born - Glasgow. Father born - Glasgow. Grandfather born Eire.
Pleeeeeease!
[/quote]

Owen Morgan hit a century for England v Bangladesh yesterday.

 

[Ryan]

ha!

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=39140.msg1063298#msg1063298 date=1267570038]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39140.msg1063170#msg1063170 date=1267565946]
I havnt seen them play this bad in years. Fucking falling to pieces.
Ps-whoever it was who was denying the tenuous links some players have with Ireland, new cap tonight James McCarthy. Born - Glasgow. Mother born - Glasgow. Father born - Glasgow. Grandfather born Eire.
Pleeeeeease!
[/quote]

Owen Morgan hit a century for England v Bangladesh yesterday.
[/quote]Hmmm I dont think you have really understood my point. Im not against the principle of a player playing for any country he feels (however tenously) affiliated with. Im against people denying it.
Make no mistake about it, if (eg) Lionel Messi suddenly became eligible for England i wouldnt give a fuck who pulled us up on it.
See?

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=Rosco link=topic=39140.msg1063293#msg1063293 date=1267569561]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39140.msg1063275#msg1063275 date=1267568838]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=39140.msg1063264#msg1063264 date=1267568345]
Here are his appearances from last year mate:

http://www.soccerbase.com/players_details.sd?playerid=18121


He's not great by any stretch but he's a good player and he'd get a game for most sides in England.
[/quote]That just shows he's made 103 league starts in 11 years at the club Rosco. That's 10 a year. As I said he's a jobber. Lucas has probably played that many games for us in 2 years.
[/quote]

Look at his recent seasons Oncy.

He's a regular in a title winning side.
[/quote]Yeah ive read a few United forums (thanks for that lads) and it certainly seems from the fans who know him best that in 2009 he really found form. So its just the 8 years previous to that and all the times ive seen him play bar about three performances that hes shite in then. I obviously missed him getting good over the past 18 months.........well not including the times he wasnt playing or was injured like.

 

[Loch Ness Monster]

PYOW.

 

[Jack D Rips]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39140.msg1063302#msg1063302 date=1267570417]
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=39140.msg1063298#msg1063298 date=1267570038]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39140.msg1063170#msg1063170 date=1267565946]
I havnt seen them play this bad in years. Fucking falling to pieces.
Ps-whoever it was who was denying the tenuous links some players have with Ireland, new cap tonight James McCarthy. Born - Glasgow. Mother born - Glasgow. Father born - Glasgow. Grandfather born Eire.
Pleeeeeease!
[/quote]

Owen Morgan hit a century for England v Bangladesh yesterday.
[/quote]Hmmm I dont think you have really understood my point. Im not against the principle of a player playing for any country he feels (however tenously) affiliated with. Im against people denying it.
Make no mistake about it, if (eg) Lionel Messi suddenly became eligible for England i wouldnt give a fuck who pulled us up on it.
See?
[/quote]

Who ever denied that Ireland have qualified players with tenous links?

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=39140.msg1063307#msg1063307 date=1267570760]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39140.msg1063302#msg1063302 date=1267570417]
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=39140.msg1063298#msg1063298 date=1267570038]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39140.msg1063170#msg1063170 date=1267565946]
I havnt seen them play this bad in years. Fucking falling to pieces.
Ps-whoever it was who was denying the tenuous links some players have with Ireland, new cap tonight James McCarthy. Born - Glasgow. Mother born - Glasgow. Father born - Glasgow. Grandfather born Eire.
Pleeeeeease!
[/quote]

Owen Morgan hit a century for England v Bangladesh yesterday.
[/quote]Hmmm I dont think you have really understood my point. Im not against the principle of a player playing for any country he feels (however tenously) affiliated with. Im against people denying it.
Make no mistake about it, if (eg) Lionel Messi suddenly became eligible for England i wouldnt give a fuck who pulled us up on it.
See?
[/quote]

Who ever denied that Ireland have qualified players with tenous links?
[/quote]Someone the other day. And dont ask me to look it up cos i cant be arsed.

 

[Jack D Rips]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39140.msg1063308#msg1063308 date=1267570824]
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=39140.msg1063307#msg1063307 date=1267570760]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39140.msg1063302#msg1063302 date=1267570417]
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=39140.msg1063298#msg1063298 date=1267570038]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39140.msg1063170#msg1063170 date=1267565946]
I havnt seen them play this bad in years. Fucking falling to pieces.
Ps-whoever it was who was denying the tenuous links some players have with Ireland, new cap tonight James McCarthy. Born - Glasgow. Mother born - Glasgow. Father born - Glasgow. Grandfather born Eire.
Pleeeeeease!
[/quote]

Owen Morgan hit a century for England v Bangladesh yesterday.
[/quote]Hmmm I dont think you have really understood my point. Im not against the principle of a player playing for any country he feels (however tenously) affiliated with. Im against people denying it.
Make no mistake about it, if (eg) Lionel Messi suddenly became eligible for England i wouldnt give a fuck who pulled us up on it.
See?
[/quote]

Who ever denied that Ireland have qualified players with tenous links?
[/quote]Someone the other day. And dont ask me to look it up cos i cant be arsed.

[/quote]

I see. Well thats the end of that then.

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=39140.msg1063310#msg1063310 date=1267571052]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39140.msg1063308#msg1063308 date=1267570824]
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=39140.msg1063307#msg1063307 date=1267570760]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39140.msg1063302#msg1063302 date=1267570417]
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=39140.msg1063298#msg1063298 date=1267570038]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39140.msg1063170#msg1063170 date=1267565946]
I havnt seen them play this bad in years. Fucking falling to pieces.
Ps-whoever it was who was denying the tenuous links some players have with Ireland, new cap tonight James McCarthy. Born - Glasgow. Mother born - Glasgow. Father born - Glasgow. Grandfather born Eire.
Pleeeeeease!
[/quote]

Owen Morgan hit a century for England v Bangladesh yesterday.
[/quote]Hmmm I dont think you have really understood my point. Im not against the principle of a player playing for any country he feels (however tenously) affiliated with. Im against people denying it.
Make no mistake about it, if (eg) Lionel Messi suddenly became eligible for England i wouldnt give a fuck who pulled us up on it.
See?
[/quote]

Who ever denied that Ireland have qualified players with tenous links?
[/quote]Someone the other day. And dont ask me to look it up cos i cant be arsed.

[/quote]

I see. Well thats the end of that then.
[/quote]HAHAHA Yeah.

 

[the count]

[quote author=ILD link=topic=39140.msg1063287#msg1063287 date=1267569225]
Can see Oncy and Count at this all night.

[/quote]
Haha. See what happens when I leave the room for a few minutes.


"Whispers" Onceys wrong btw

 

[Friend no. 2]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39140.msg1063275#msg1063275 date=1267568838]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=39140.msg1063264#msg1063264 date=1267568345]
Here are his appearances from last year mate:

http://www.soccerbase.com/players_details.sd?playerid=18121


He's not great by any stretch but he's a good player and he'd get a game for most sides in England.
[/quote]That just shows he's made 103 league starts in 11 years at the club Rosco. That's 10 a year. As I said he's a jobber. Lucas has probably played that many games for us in 2 years.
[/quote]

He spent his first few years out on loan Andy. I think he made his league debut in 2003. That's about 15 a year, which while not great, is not terrible (probably a better average than Sloksjaer). He is a good player, (not fantastic) and due to his versatility I'd unfortunately love if he played for us.