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Fabio

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Lets have a little hypothetical thread, of ideas you have for the squad (current), it's shape, and potential changes of positions for players. Whatever you like, as long as you can justify the rationale.

One for me; I think when firmino is off form, or even injured (as unlikely as it seems), we struggle to breakdown some teams, as he seems to be the fulcrum that creates space for the wingers.

How about we throw Gini in as a false 9

Strong on the ball, positionally sound, and very good at finding space. His vision and passing is good, and his footwork can be very deft when needed. His finishing can be suspect, but so can bobbys.

Yes we have Taki who can play there, but he's not hit the ground running yet, and there's no guarantee that he will.

When he plays for netherlands he creates space and scores goals; so why do we quell those urges for us?

Anyone agree/disagree?

Anyone any other visions of how we could setup?
 
We played Gini as a false 9 once last season - lost 3-0 and had to convert him back to a midfielder for half a match to get two of those back
 
I'd have two players occupy the same place, in honour of quantum mechanics. For example, Mane and Robertson would never be more than 1m apart during the game, and likewise for the four remaining pairs of players.
 
Fabio said:
Lets have a little hypothetical thread, of ideas you have for the squad (current), it's shape, and potential changes of positions for players. Whatever you like, as long as you can justify the rationale.

One for me; I think when firmino is off form, or even injured (as unlikely as it seems), we struggle to breakdown some teams, as he seems to be the fulcrum that creates space for the wingers.

How about we throw Gini in as a false 9

Strong on the ball, positionally sound, and very good at finding space. His vision and passing is good, and his footwork can be very deft when needed. His finishing can be suspect, but so can bobbys.

Yes we have Taki who can play there, but he's not hit the ground running yet, and there's no guarantee that he will.

When he plays for netherlands he creates space and scores goals; so why do we quell those urges for us?

Anyone agree/disagree?

Anyone any other visions of how we could setup?
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I always thought Lallana could play the Firmino role. Obv not as good but he can press like mad, link play and not score.
 
We used to play a game in school like rugby but the opposition didn't know who had the ball. We would begin in a huddle and one of us stuffed the ball up our shirts, then we all sprinted towards the touchline. Maybe we could try that!?
 
Another alternative for Firmino is VVD.

He's as quick as Bobby, used to play up front and would probably get on the end of a lot of crosses that TAA and Robertson put in. He's also a very decent footballer who would be able to bring others into the game.

The downside would be Lovren probably gets a game at the back.
 
Depending on how far out a free kick was, I would consider on occasions moving the defensive wall back further than the minimum ten yards,
While it might be easier for the kick taker to get the ball over the wall it would make it more difficult to get it to dip back down and onto the target after it.
Plus it would be disruptive for the kick taker who practices for a wall exactly ten yards away.

Wouldn't work on all distances obviously
 
Fabio said:
Lets have a little hypothetical thread, of ideas you have for the squad (current), it's shape, and potential changes of positions for players. Whatever you like, as long as you can justify the rationale.

One for me; I think when firmino is off form, or even injured (as unlikely as it seems), we struggle to breakdown some teams, as he seems to be the fulcrum that creates space for the wingers.

How about we throw Gini in as a false 9

Strong on the ball, positionally sound, and very good at finding space. His vision and passing is good, and his footwork can be very deft when needed. His finishing can be suspect, but so can bobbys.

Yes we have Taki who can play there, but he's not hit the ground running yet, and there's no guarantee that he will.

When he plays for netherlands he creates space and scores goals; so why do we quell those urges for us?

Anyone agree/disagree?

Anyone any other visions of how we could setup?
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Agreed. I would have said Ox as a backup for Salah, but his instinct to fun forward all the time can be hindrance

I definitely think Gini has natural attacking instincts that he curbs to play in our midfield three, but if we get Thiago, then why not?
 
Rosco said:
There also must reach a point from which no wall is as good as a wall
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I've thought this for years. If the free kick is 25 yards out wouldn't the keeper have as much chance of saving it with a clear look at it rather than always giving the wall one side and only covering one side.
I'd love to see it in training to see if it's actually higher or lower per cent success done like this.

Also think more players should hit free kicks along the ground at the wall. They jump half the time.
 
There's definitely tactical reasons but why is there never a player on the post for corners anymore? When we beat Villa at Villa Park Mane's header trickled into the far corner with nobody on it.
 
Aidan O' Neill said:
There's definitely tactical reasons but why is there never a player on the post for corners anymore? When we beat Villa at Villa Park Mane's header trickled into the far corner with nobody on it.
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I think it was Carra who explained this recently... the player on the post couldn't get out fast enough to set the offside trap on the second ball.
 
Would consider just playing with Fabinho and VVD as old school marauding defender midfielders, have Gomez (fast enough) in between to run around in the space, and have Trent and Robbo taking the wings.

Kinda like what Sheff Utd have been doing but with much better players.

I'd also just try Salah and Mane up top in a 4-4-2, I'd be curious to see if it works
 
I think it would be interesting to play a 3-5-2 with Robbo and Trent as the wide midfielders and a front 2 of Mané and Salah
 
I saw Minamino as the natural successor to Bobby, maybe he will be, but he's so slight and lightweight, I don't see him having the hold up play to make it as a false 9, Bobby has it all in that respect. Skill, vision and upper body strength. Regards Gini, does he have the vision and pass in him to play there? I like him alot, but I don't think he has the natural awareness that Bobby has, to play that role well.
 
Tinto said:
How about deliberately giving away corner kicks occasionally so we have the space for Mane and Mo to counter attack?
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Theres a theory that statisticslly most goals result from winning the ball in an advanced positions close to the opposition goal. So teams who play a high pressing game should deliberately give the ball to their opponents poorest passer in defence and then attack the weakest link to catch opponents out of position.

Its not that far from Mourinhos tactics at Inter which were based on the idea that you only concede a goal if you make a mistake, and the team with the ball is far more lieky to make a mistake. So he coached his team to never play a posession game, let the opposition have the ball and try win it back in dangerous areas.
 
RedStar said:
Theres a theory that statisticslly most goals result from winning the ball in an advanced positions close to the opposition goal. So teams who play a high pressing game should deliberately give the ball to their opponents poorest passer in defence and then attack the weakest link to catch opponents out of position.

Its not that far from Mourinhos tactics at Inter which were based on the idea that you only concede a goal if you make a mistake, and the team with the ball is far more lieky to make a mistake. So he coached his team to never play a posession game, let the opposition have the ball and try win it back in dangerous areas.
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It's how they beat us at anfield in 2014, don't let this slip.
 
Sticking to our 'normal' formation i'd like to see Williams at RB and Trent RW with Mo down the middle. Allow Mo and Sadio to interchange.
 
A 4-4-2 would be interesting. Play Salah up top with Firmino supporting in a classic number 9/number 10 combination. In fact we've done it a few times to good effect.

Minamino on the right with a license to roam, Mane on the left with a license to roam. Henderson and Fabinho keeping it tight in midfield, and recycling the ball. Robbo and Trent on the overlap. A bit Arsenal 2004.
 
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