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Injury Updates for Sunday

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Frogfish

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G Johnson Groin Strain 2 days - Rafa says tests Saturday before decision can be made.
F Torres Abdominal Strain 2 days - Rafa says tests Saturday before decision can be made.
S Kyrgiakos ACL Knee Injury 7 months
S Gerrard Groin Strain 2 days - Rafa says tests Saturday before decision can be made.

UNITED

P Evra Ankle/Foot Injury 2 days
R Giggs Hip/Thigh Injury 2 days
D Fletcher Knee Injury 2 days
P Ji-Sung Knee Injury 1 week
W Rooney Calf Muscle Strain 2 days - Ferguson says ''Unfortunately Rooney is still a doubt and we will have to see. If Wayne does train [on Saturday] then we will have a better idea.''
O Hargreaves Jumpers Knee 2 weeks
 
I thought the Greek was only out for a couple of weeks, a mild knee ligament strain. Not the ACL that was initially thought.
 
the greek is finished. not his fault really but that's what happens when you buy a player close to the end of his career. hope he didn't get a long contract.
 
[quote author=rage link=topic=36693.msg970122#msg970122 date=1256398060]
the greek is finished. not his fault really but that's what happens when you buy a player close to the end of his career. hope he didn't get a long contract.


[/quote]

Yeah, cos the same happened with MCallister didn't it, you hysterical fucking nob end.
 
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=36693.msg970210#msg970210 date=1256413501]
[quote author=rage link=topic=36693.msg970122#msg970122 date=1256398060]
the greek is finished. not his fault really but that's what happens when you buy a player close to the end of his career. hope he didn't get a long contract.


[/quote]

Yeah, cos the same happened with MCallister didn't it, you hysterical fucking nob end.
[/quote]

Well if there's a negative Rafa slant to be had, you can bet your arse he'll find/make it, and throw in some cock reference too. In fact, calling him a 'nob end' probably resulted in some trouser movement.
 
i didn't know johnson and gerrard both suffered groin strains, and at the same time


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[quote author=Brendan link=topic=36693.msg970216#msg970216 date=1256413846]
How come fucking Lucas never gets injured?
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cause he never reaches a fast enough speed to create enough force to cause a self inflicted injury. So any injury has to come from someone else tackling him and he doesn't exactly dribble very often, and even less often in a dangerous area; so there isn't a lot of reason for him to be tackled.

We would be a lot better off this so far this year if he had gotten a horrendous leg break in the summer.
 
[quote author=Assulin link=topic=36693.msg970260#msg970260 date=1256419565]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=36693.msg970216#msg970216 date=1256413846]
How come fucking Lucas never gets injured?
[/quote]

cause he never reaches a fast enough speed to create enough force to cause a self inflicted injury. So any injury has to come from someone else tackling him and he doesn't exactly dribble very often, and even less often in a dangerous area; so there isn't a lot of reason for him to be tackled.

We would be a lot better off this so far this year if he had gotten a horrendous leg break in the summer.
[/quote]

Hmm...that's very Ardja-like posting...hmmm......
 
[quote author=Assulin link=topic=36693.msg970276#msg970276 date=1256423252]
just hate watching Lucas be an automatic in the first XI
[/quote]

Then why not just say that instead of wishing injury on a member of our team ?
 
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=36693.msg970210#msg970210 date=1256413501]
[quote author=rage link=topic=36693.msg970122#msg970122 date=1256398060]
the greek is finished. not his fault really but that's what happens when you buy a player close to the end of his career. hope he didn't get a long contract.


[/quote]

Yeah, cos the same happened with MCallister didn't it, you hysterical fucking nob end.
[/quote]

u thick fuck. comparing a player that had spent most of his career playing in the premiership to a greek thirty something that has just got here in his twilight years.
 
[quote author=rage link=topic=36693.msg970287#msg970287 date=1256425875]
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=36693.msg970210#msg970210 date=1256413501]
[quote author=rage link=topic=36693.msg970122#msg970122 date=1256398060]
the greek is finished. not his fault really but that's what happens when you buy a player close to the end of his career. hope he didn't get a long contract.


[/quote]

Yeah, cos the same happened with MCallister didn't it, you hysterical fucking nob end.
[/quote]

u thick fuck. comparing a player that had spent most of his career playing in the premiership to a greek thirty something that has just got here in his twilight years.
[/quote]
What has it to do with the injuries the Kyrgiakos suffered?

Surely you're not implying that the Greek got injured cos he spent most his career somewhere eoutside England..
???
 
[quote author=themn link=topic=36693.msg970283#msg970283 date=1256425094]
[quote author=Assulin link=topic=36693.msg970276#msg970276 date=1256423252]
just hate watching Lucas be an automatic in the first XI
[/quote]

Then why not just say that instead of wishing injury on a member of our team ?


[/quote]

because nothing bar injury keeps him out of Rafa's squad
 
[quote author=Assulin link=topic=36693.msg970293#msg970293 date=1256426879]
[quote author=themn link=topic=36693.msg970283#msg970283 date=1256425094]
[quote author=Assulin link=topic=36693.msg970276#msg970276 date=1256423252]
just hate watching Lucas be an automatic in the first XI
[/quote]

Then why not just say that instead of wishing injury on a member of our team ?


[/quote]

because nothing bar injury keeps him out of Rafa's squad
[/quote]

Well, how can I argue with that rationale ?

Good point, well made.

Why not go the whole hog and hope he crashes his car on the way to Melwood/the bus tomorrow ?

Nothing fatal. Just enough to preclude his involvement in the team ever again ?
 
Go about what Rosco ?

Keeping Lucas out of the team ?

Buy some better midfielder...oh, we gots no cash !
 
[quote author=dossena link=topic=36693.msg970291#msg970291 date=1256426593]
[quote author=rage link=topic=36693.msg970287#msg970287 date=1256425875]
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=36693.msg970210#msg970210 date=1256413501]
[quote author=rage link=topic=36693.msg970122#msg970122 date=1256398060]
the greek is finished. not his fault really but that's what happens when you buy a player close to the end of his career. hope he didn't get a long contract.


[/quote]

Yeah, cos the same happened with MCallister didn't it, you hysterical fucking nob end.
[/quote]

u thick fuck. comparing a player that had spent most of his career playing in the premiership to a greek thirty something that has just got here in his twilight years.
[/quote]
What has it to do with the injuries the Kyrgiakos suffered?

Surely you're not implying that the Greek got injured cos he spent most his career somewhere eoutside England..
???

[/quote]

no i'm implying that it'll be a greater challenge for the greek to come back from this injury at his age and also raise his game to the level required. comparing him to gary mac who was already playing at this level is therefore inaccurate.
 
[quote author=rage link=topic=36693.msg970315#msg970315 date=1256456217]
no i'm implying that it'll be a greater challenge for the greek to come back from this injury at his age and also raise his game to the level required. comparing him to gary mac who was already playing at this level is therefore inaccurate.
[/quote]

It's not uncommon for clubs to buy players at the end of their careers and it's also not unheard of for those buys to be successful. McCallister is an obvious example and another would be Larsson who signed for Barca at the age of 33 and left loved by all.

So what point exactly were you trying to make with the "that's what happens when you buy a player close to the end of his career" comment?

That an ageing player will have hard time coming back from a really bad injury? If so, what exactly is that supposed to tell us apart from the obvious.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=36693.msg970317#msg970317 date=1256456905]
[quote author=rage link=topic=36693.msg970315#msg970315 date=1256456217]
no i'm implying that it'll be a greater challenge for the greek to come back from this injury at his age and also raise his game to the level required. comparing him to gary mac who was already playing at this level is therefore inaccurate.
[/quote]

It's not uncommon for clubs to buy players at the end of their careers and it's also not unheard of for those buys to be successful. McCallister is an obvious example and another would be Larsson who signed for Barca at the age of 33 and left loved by all.

So what point exactly were you trying to make with the "that's what happens when you buy a player close to the end of his career" comment?

That an ageing player will have hard time coming back from a really bad injury? If so, what exactly is that supposed to tell us apart from the obvious.


[/quote]

He's suggesting that instead of Kyrgiakos we should have found one of a number of younger, more gifted defenders, who would not be discouraged by the fact that we have two young CBs already. Oh, and that we do this without spending any more money, all while using our crystal ball that will help us determine whether they will in the future pick up injuries on international duty.

I think its a capital idea.

God and baby jesus, I hope we win today.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=36693.msg970317#msg970317 date=1256456905]
[quote author=rage link=topic=36693.msg970315#msg970315 date=1256456217]
no i'm implying that it'll be a greater challenge for the greek to come back from this injury at his age and also raise his game to the level required. comparing him to gary mac who was already playing at this level is therefore inaccurate.
[/quote]

It's not uncommon for clubs to buy players at the end of their careers and it's also not unheard of for those buys to be successful. McCallister is an obvious example and another would be Larsson who signed for Barca at the age of 33 and left loved by all.

So what point exactly were you trying to make with the "that's what happens when you buy a player close to the end of his career" comment?

That an ageing averageplayer will have hard time coming back from a really bad injury? If so, what exactly is that supposed to tell us apart from the obvious.


[/quote]

for a cash strapped club we need to take these risks into consideration. we should never have bought him and depending on the length of his contract (say 3 years at 20k per week) plus the 2 million that's over 5 million gone.

like i said the injury isn't anybody's fault but we need to be cleverer than we are in our transfers and stop making knee jerk signings.
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=36693.msg970216#msg970216 date=1256413846]
How come fucking Lucas never gets injured?
[/quote]

How come you're still this boring?
 
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=36693.msg970324#msg970324 date=1256459433]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=36693.msg970317#msg970317 date=1256456905]
[quote author=rage link=topic=36693.msg970315#msg970315 date=1256456217]
no i'm implying that it'll be a greater challenge for the greek to come back from this injury at his age and also raise his game to the level required. comparing him to gary mac who was already playing at this level is therefore inaccurate.
[/quote]

It's not uncommon for clubs to buy players at the end of their careers and it's also not unheard of for those buys to be successful. McCallister is an obvious example and another would be Larsson who signed for Barca at the age of 33 and left loved by all.

So what point exactly were you trying to make with the "that's what happens when you buy a player close to the end of his career" comment?

That an ageing player will have hard time coming back from a really bad injury? If so, what exactly is that supposed to tell us apart from the obvious.


[/quote]

He's suggesting that instead of Kyrgiakos we should have found one of a number of younger, more gifted defenders, who would not be discouraged by the fact that we have two young CBs already. Oh, and that we do this without spending any more money, all while using our crystal ball that will help us determine whether they will in the future pick up injuries on international duty.

I think its a capital idea.

God and baby jesus, I hope we win today.
[/quote]

no just played one of our younger defenders instead. it's what other title winning managers would have done,
 
[quote author=rage link=topic=36693.msg970329#msg970329 date=1256460020]
for a cash strapped club we need to take these risks into consideration. we should never have bought him and depending on the length of his contract (say 3 years at 20k per week) plus the 2 million that's over 5 million gone.

like i said the injury isn't anybody's fault but we need to be cleverer than we are in our transfers and stop making knee jerk signings.
[/quote]

I didn't think he was a necessary signing at the time - in fact I said that we should fall back on a kid like Kelly.

HOWEVER...

You didn't say any of that initially, you said "that's what happens when you buy a player close to the end of his career", which is a completely silly thing to say. At least have the good grace to admit that now.

Now speaking more generally, a cash strapped club has to make exactly these types of signings because they can't afford to sign the top up and coming youngsters or top squad players. That's just the way it is.
 
[quote author=rage link=topic=36693.msg970339#msg970339 date=1256460715]
a cash strapped club should have faith in its kids
[/quote]

At centre back? No, not having that. Managers as a rule bed CB's much more slowly than in other positions as mistakes are costly & you dont become a good CB when very young, so much is positional that only experience gets you to the top of the game.
 
[quote author=rage link=topic=36693.msg970339#msg970339 date=1256460715]
a cash strapped club should have faith in its kids
[/quote]

Always? In every single scenario?

You're being purposely obtuse and this and the fact that you don't have the good grace to admit when you're wrong even when you're proven to be so is exactly why you're not particularly popular in the football forum.

Man City a few years back are the perfect example. They were / are widely acknowledged to have one of the best Academies in the country and over the years brought through kids like Richards, SWP, Johnson, Ireland, Nedum et al, however these were supplemented with a lot of ageing pros. We often used to joke that they were a retirement home (for ex-Liverpool players).
 
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=36693.msg970340#msg970340 date=1256460872]
[quote author=rage link=topic=36693.msg970339#msg970339 date=1256460715]
a cash strapped club should have faith in its kids
[/quote]

At centre back? No, not having that. Managers as a rule bed CB's much more slowly than in other positions as mistakes are costly & you dont become a good CB when very young, so much is positional that only experience gets you to the top of the game.
[/quote]

depends if its a one game stop gap like it was or something more long term.

i thought the young lad who played the game before was ok to stand in for one more game.

the signing of the greek was a knee jerk reaction and in the end i don't think we'll see this lad play in any significant games for us and this isn't just because he is now injured.

anyway has aquaman made the bench?
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=36693.msg970343#msg970343 date=1256461502]
[quote author=rage link=topic=36693.msg970339#msg970339 date=1256460715]
a cash strapped club should have faith in its kids
[/quote]

Always? In every single scenario?

You're being purposely obtuse and this and the fact that you don't have the good grace to admit when you're wrong even when you're proven to be so is exactly why you're not particularly popular in the football forum.

Man City a few years back are the perfect example. They were / are widely acknowledged to have one of the best Academies in the country and over the years brought through kids like Richards, SWP, Johnson, Ireland, Nedum et al, however these were supplemented with a lot of ageing pros. We often used to joke that they were a retirement home (for ex-Liverpool players).
[/quote]

in our scenario.

what am i wrong about here to acknowledge?

what are man city an example of exactly, giving their kids a chance next to an aging pro? - well we could have done that by playing one of the kids next to carra if we'd chosen to.

we didn't need to buy the greek and the injury just reinforces this.
 
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