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Anyone else get the feeling we’re going to finish the season quite strongly once everyone is back? That’ll have unfortunate consequences in tightening the purse strings, shitty European football and leaving us thinking what might’ve been in a season where City weren’t great.
 
Markeh said:
Anyone else get the feeling we’re going to finish the season quite strongly once everyone is back? That’ll have unfortunate consequences in tightening the purse strings, shitty European football and leaving us thinking what might’ve been in a season where City weren’t great.
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I believe!!!
 
So Thiago is out with a hip flexor. Next it will be Naby. Then Henderson. If you are seeing these players on the pitch a lot, they're going to get injured.

I don't think we will ever get to "everyone is back."

If we can marshall a defense and deal with long balls and on the other end score a goal, our odds will go up. So yeah, we will find more results. But consistency without a midfield? No.
 
Is this where the absence of the club doctor hurt us? We found that Ramsey had a major issue during the medical - but someone apparently assured Klopp that it was not a deal-breaker. Had we anticipated he was going to spend basically an entire season injured, we could have easily waited on buying him and reassessed next summer if we’re still interested. Seems like no one wanted take the responsibility for a difficult decision to protect the club’s interests.
 
peekay said:
I have moved on from Lijnders and decided to focus my ire on Andreas Kornmayer - the new villain of the season.
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Check out this Athletic article dated Sep 2022 which mentioned him:
http://sixcrazyminutes.com/threads/the-athletic-lfc-related-articles.156776/page-60#post-2170344

[article]Klopp’s decision to appoint countryman Andreas Kornmayer as head of fitness and conditioning during his first pre-season in 2016 exacerbated inter-departmental strains, which were made more complex because of a split between English and Spanish speaking physios, who had different ways of doing things.

Ryland Morgans, the previous fitness coach, had, like his old boss Rodgers, been protocol driven. Morgans left the club late in Klopp’s 2015-16 debut season, a campaign which was marked by a number of hamstring injuries as players struggled to adjust to new and extreme physical testing.

Klopp decided he needed a sergeant major-type to run his fitness department.

When Kornmayer arrived from Bayern Munich, he made headlines because of his appearance. With his distinctive thick-rimmed glasses and swept-back blond-ish hair, he looks a lot like a smaller version of Klopp.

When Xherdan Shaqiri signed from Stoke City in the summer of 2018 having been at Bayern from 2012-15, he was surprised to find Kornmayer holding such an important position at his new club. Kornmayer had not been a senior figure at the German giants but by the time Shaqiri came to Anfield, he was one of the most empowered members of staff, having gained the absolute trust of Klopp.

When Liverpool staff clashed with Newcastle’s during a tempestuous Premier League game last month, Kornmayer was there, at the centre of a touchline face-off which has resulted in fines and bans on both sides.

At the beginning of his time at Liverpool, Klopp had wanted his players to be able to run long distances and Kornmayer was prepared to push them to their limits. This led to friction with sectors within the club that were more process driven. With Kornmayer at the seat of power, the gap between sports scientists’ thinking and the physios’ widened.

With Klopp’s support, indeed, Kornmayer seemed untouchable but his approach did not bring cooperation between each of the medically related departments.

Some staff feared a lack of accountability in the system could potentially impact player availability further down the line and at that point threaten results on the pitch. This environment is thought to have contributed to more than one person’s decision to move on.

Edwards recognised the problem and hired Jacobsen in 2018 to try to bring harmony across the setup.

Jacobsen is said to have challenged Kornmayer on his first day at Melwood. It was immediately clear to lots of staff that it was not going to work out for Jacobsen because of a clash of philosophies — where he wanted to know about the science behind every decision, Kornmayer was more instinctive.

Though Klopp had initially given the impression he was never fully on board with the role and responsibilities of Jacobsen, some senior staff believed it was fundamentally a good idea. It should have fallen to Jacobsen to implement a single but flexible way of working, but this never happened. Instead, beyond Klopp’s inner circle, a common identity was lacking because departments acted according to what they knew and thought.

Liverpool would win the Champions League and Premier League during Jacobsen’s time at the club but by the end of 2020, he had left, returning to Germany on gardening leave.

Sympathisers believe Jacobsen wasn’t able to do what needed to be done because some staff were so wedded to certain roles and responsibilities. Yet it is also thought he didn’t have the status or temperament to bring about what was necessary. He never got to grips with the reality that it was his job to manage personalities as well as injuries.

Still, Edwards rated Jacobsen highly. His contract was paid up in full and he has since acted as a consultant for the Boston Red Sox, the major league baseball team also owned by FSG.

Following Jacobsen’s exit, the system at Liverpool temporarily became more disjointed than before, with each department head trying to convince one another of their ideas without anyone really mediating or leading them. The turnover of staff in the Klopp era has been significant but one consistent presence has been Kornmayer. Despite criticism, there is an acknowledgement that he has ultimately managed to get a huge amount of distance into the players’ legs.

There was a feeling in the medical department after winning the Champions League final in June 2019 that Liverpool needed to start replacing some of the players after two seasons of so many games (56 in 2017-18 as they lost the Champions League final to Real Madrid in Kyiv, and then 53).

To meet Klopp’s expectations for just one season of 50-60km running a week was considered an achievement internally.

The need for change might have been real but when Klopp led Liverpool into another Champions League final in May, his team against Real Madrid included eight of the starting XI that had beaten Tottenham Hotspur in Madrid three years earlier.

A few of Kornmayer’s critics concede that he must have been doing something right.

Ultimately, he has been able to change at least a few people’s opinions of what footballers were capable of achieving with their bodies, pushing them further than some with even the closest inside knowledge thought was possible.[/article]
 
King Binny said:
Check out this Athletic article dated Sep 2022 which mentioned him:
http://sixcrazyminutes.com/threads/the-athletic-lfc-related-articles.156776/page-60#post-2170344

[article]Klopp’s decision to appoint countryman Andreas Kornmayer as head of fitness and conditioning during his first pre-season in 2016 exacerbated inter-departmental strains, which were made more complex because of a split between English and Spanish speaking physios, who had different ways of doing things.

Ryland Morgans, the previous fitness coach, had, like his old boss Rodgers, been protocol driven. Morgans left the club late in Klopp’s 2015-16 debut season, a campaign which was marked by a number of hamstring injuries as players struggled to adjust to new and extreme physical testing.

Klopp decided he needed a sergeant major-type to run his fitness department.

When Kornmayer arrived from Bayern Munich, he made headlines because of his appearance. With his distinctive thick-rimmed glasses and swept-back blond-ish hair, he looks a lot like a smaller version of Klopp.

When Xherdan Shaqiri signed from Stoke City in the summer of 2018 having been at Bayern from 2012-15, he was surprised to find Kornmayer holding such an important position at his new club. Kornmayer had not been a senior figure at the German giants but by the time Shaqiri came to Anfield, he was one of the most empowered members of staff, having gained the absolute trust of Klopp.

When Liverpool staff clashed with Newcastle’s during a tempestuous Premier League game last month, Kornmayer was there, at the centre of a touchline face-off which has resulted in fines and bans on both sides.

At the beginning of his time at Liverpool, Klopp had wanted his players to be able to run long distances and Kornmayer was prepared to push them to their limits. This led to friction with sectors within the club that were more process driven. With Kornmayer at the seat of power, the gap between sports scientists’ thinking and the physios’ widened.

With Klopp’s support, indeed, Kornmayer seemed untouchable but his approach did not bring cooperation between each of the medically related departments.

Some staff feared a lack of accountability in the system could potentially impact player availability further down the line and at that point threaten results on the pitch. This environment is thought to have contributed to more than one person’s decision to move on.

Edwards recognised the problem and hired Jacobsen in 2018 to try to bring harmony across the setup.

Jacobsen is said to have challenged Kornmayer on his first day at Melwood. It was immediately clear to lots of staff that it was not going to work out for Jacobsen because of a clash of philosophies — where he wanted to know about the science behind every decision, Kornmayer was more instinctive.

Though Klopp had initially given the impression he was never fully on board with the role and responsibilities of Jacobsen, some senior staff believed it was fundamentally a good idea. It should have fallen to Jacobsen to implement a single but flexible way of working, but this never happened. Instead, beyond Klopp’s inner circle, a common identity was lacking because departments acted according to what they knew and thought.

Liverpool would win the Champions League and Premier League during Jacobsen’s time at the club but by the end of 2020, he had left, returning to Germany on gardening leave.

Sympathisers believe Jacobsen wasn’t able to do what needed to be done because some staff were so wedded to certain roles and responsibilities. Yet it is also thought he didn’t have the status or temperament to bring about what was necessary. He never got to grips with the reality that it was his job to manage personalities as well as injuries.

Still, Edwards rated Jacobsen highly. His contract was paid up in full and he has since acted as a consultant for the Boston Red Sox, the major league baseball team also owned by FSG.

Following Jacobsen’s exit, the system at Liverpool temporarily became more disjointed than before, with each department head trying to convince one another of their ideas without anyone really mediating or leading them. The turnover of staff in the Klopp era has been significant but one consistent presence has been Kornmayer. Despite criticism, there is an acknowledgement that he has ultimately managed to get a huge amount of distance into the players’ legs.

There was a feeling in the medical department after winning the Champions League final in June 2019 that Liverpool needed to start replacing some of the players after two seasons of so many games (56 in 2017-18 as they lost the Champions League final to Real Madrid in Kyiv, and then 53).

To meet Klopp’s expectations for just one season of 50-60km running a week was considered an achievement internally.

The need for change might have been real but when Klopp led Liverpool into another Champions League final in May, his team against Real Madrid included eight of the starting XI that had beaten Tottenham Hotspur in Madrid three years earlier.

A few of Kornmayer’s critics concede that he must have been doing something right.

Ultimately, he has been able to change at least a few people’s opinions of what footballers were capable of achieving with their bodies, pushing them further than some with even the closest inside knowledge thought was possible.[/article]
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Cheers @King Binny

Interesting article.
 
The Kornmayer stories written by Reddy was the reason Klopp was pissed off the presser last week. He just thought the squaky voice of Pearce was Reddy, or something..
 
King Binny said:
Check out this Athletic article dated Sep 2022 which mentioned him:
http://sixcrazyminutes.com/threads/the-athletic-lfc-related-articles.156776/page-60#post-2170344

[article]Klopp’s decision to appoint countryman Andreas Kornmayer as head of fitness and conditioning during his first pre-season in 2016 exacerbated inter-departmental strains, which were made more complex because of a split between English and Spanish speaking physios, who had different ways of doing things.

Ryland Morgans, the previous fitness coach, had, like his old boss Rodgers, been protocol driven. Morgans left the club late in Klopp’s 2015-16 debut season, a campaign which was marked by a number of hamstring injuries as players struggled to adjust to new and extreme physical testing.

Klopp decided he needed a sergeant major-type to run his fitness department.

When Kornmayer arrived from Bayern Munich, he made headlines because of his appearance. With his distinctive thick-rimmed glasses and swept-back blond-ish hair, he looks a lot like a smaller version of Klopp.

When Xherdan Shaqiri signed from Stoke City in the summer of 2018 having been at Bayern from 2012-15, he was surprised to find Kornmayer holding such an important position at his new club. Kornmayer had not been a senior figure at the German giants but by the time Shaqiri came to Anfield, he was one of the most empowered members of staff, having gained the absolute trust of Klopp.

When Liverpool staff clashed with Newcastle’s during a tempestuous Premier League game last month, Kornmayer was there, at the centre of a touchline face-off which has resulted in fines and bans on both sides.

At the beginning of his time at Liverpool, Klopp had wanted his players to be able to run long distances and Kornmayer was prepared to push them to their limits. This led to friction with sectors within the club that were more process driven. With Kornmayer at the seat of power, the gap between sports scientists’ thinking and the physios’ widened.

With Klopp’s support, indeed, Kornmayer seemed untouchable but his approach did not bring cooperation between each of the medically related departments.

Some staff feared a lack of accountability in the system could potentially impact player availability further down the line and at that point threaten results on the pitch. This environment is thought to have contributed to more than one person’s decision to move on.

Edwards recognised the problem and hired Jacobsen in 2018 to try to bring harmony across the setup.

Jacobsen is said to have challenged Kornmayer on his first day at Melwood. It was immediately clear to lots of staff that it was not going to work out for Jacobsen because of a clash of philosophies — where he wanted to know about the science behind every decision, Kornmayer was more instinctive.

Though Klopp had initially given the impression he was never fully on board with the role and responsibilities of Jacobsen, some senior staff believed it was fundamentally a good idea. It should have fallen to Jacobsen to implement a single but flexible way of working, but this never happened. Instead, beyond Klopp’s inner circle, a common identity was lacking because departments acted according to what they knew and thought.

Liverpool would win the Champions League and Premier League during Jacobsen’s time at the club but by the end of 2020, he had left, returning to Germany on gardening leave.

Sympathisers believe Jacobsen wasn’t able to do what needed to be done because some staff were so wedded to certain roles and responsibilities. Yet it is also thought he didn’t have the status or temperament to bring about what was necessary. He never got to grips with the reality that it was his job to manage personalities as well as injuries.

Still, Edwards rated Jacobsen highly. His contract was paid up in full and he has since acted as a consultant for the Boston Red Sox, the major league baseball team also owned by FSG.

Following Jacobsen’s exit, the system at Liverpool temporarily became more disjointed than before, with each department head trying to convince one another of their ideas without anyone really mediating or leading them. The turnover of staff in the Klopp era has been significant but one consistent presence has been Kornmayer. Despite criticism, there is an acknowledgement that he has ultimately managed to get a huge amount of distance into the players’ legs.

There was a feeling in the medical department after winning the Champions League final in June 2019 that Liverpool needed to start replacing some of the players after two seasons of so many games (56 in 2017-18 as they lost the Champions League final to Real Madrid in Kyiv, and then 53).

To meet Klopp’s expectations for just one season of 50-60km running a week was considered an achievement internally.

The need for change might have been real but when Klopp led Liverpool into another Champions League final in May, his team against Real Madrid included eight of the starting XI that had beaten Tottenham Hotspur in Madrid three years earlier.

A few of Kornmayer’s critics concede that he must have been doing something right.

Ultimately, he has been able to change at least a few people’s opinions of what footballers were capable of achieving with their bodies, pushing them further than some with even the closest inside knowledge thought was possible.[/article]
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I don't know well enough to choose sides in the internal debate but two things are clear: our club is in internal disarray AND our players are completely shattered.

We were well aligned across the club for a few seasons and we squeezed everything we had out of our squad and were rewarded for it. But now we're experiencing the massive blue Monday after a weekend necking handfuls of pills.
 
King Binny said:
Despite criticism, there is an acknowledgement that he has ultimately managed to get a huge amount of distance into the players’ legs.

To meet Klopp’s expectations for just one season of 50-60km running a week was considered an achievement internally.

Ultimately, he has been able to change at least a few people’s opinions of what footballers were capable of achieving with their bodies, pushing them further than some with even the closest inside knowledge thought was possible.[/article]
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I don’t know anything about sports conditioning, so it’s almost certainly a stupid question, but can making players run more than anyone thought possible in training contribute to those players’ legs going earlier than expected as they age? Results are the only “achievement” that matters and this season we’re being consistently outrun where it matters - on the pitch.
 
rurikbird said:
Is this where the absence of the club doctor hurt us? We found that Ramsey had a major issue during the medical - but someone apparently assured Klopp that it was not a deal-breaker. Had we anticipated he was going to spend basically an entire season injured, we could have easily waited on buying him and reassessed next summer if we’re still interested. Seems like no one wanted take the responsibility for a difficult decision to protect the club’s interests.
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Heard it was Mr Intense.
 
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{tbody}
{tr}
{td}PLAYER{/td}
{td}REASON{/td}
{td}FURTHER DETAIL{/td}
{td}POTENTIAL RETURN{/td}
{td}CONDITION{/td}
{td}STATUS{/td}
{td} Notes{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}Calvin Ramsay{/td}
{td}Knee Injury{/td}
{td}Feb 18: 'It's nothing. Obviously, missing the rest of the season is serious, but with Calvin, it's really special.'{/td}
{td}05/06/2023{/td}
{td}Currently Being Assessed{/td}
{td}Ruled Out{/td}

{td}Cripple - makes Naby look like Superman{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}Thiago Alcantara{/td}
{td}Groin/Hip/Pelvic Injury{/td}
{td}Feb 13: 'Obviously, the Thiago situation is not cool for us; he'll be out for a while with a hip problem.'{/td}
{td}15/03/2023{/td}
{td}None{/td}
{td}Ruled Out{/td}

{td}It was going to happen{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}Luis Fernando Diaz{/td}
{td}Knee Injury{/td}
{td}Feb 03: 'Luis is running now, it will take a few weeks still, but he is now out on the pitch as well running, which is really good.'{/td}
{td}11/03/2023{/td}
{td}Currently Being Assessed{/td}
{td}Ruled Out{/td}

{td}TRACK{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}Ibrahima Konate{/td}
{td}Thigh Injury{/td}
{td}Feb 03: 'Ibou has a muscle injury. Again, he didn’t think it was massive; it happened in the game, I asked him after, 'Are you OK?' and he said, 'Yeah!' [He had] treatment, scan, bam, out.'{/td}
{td}25/02/2023{/td}
{td}Currently Being Assessed{/td}
{td}25%{/td}

{td} For a big guy he is fragile{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}Arthur Ramos de Oliveira Melo{/td}
{td}Thigh Injury{/td}
{td}Feb 10: 'Arthur, probably similar to Bobby, I would say.'{/td}
{td}25/02/2023{/td}
{td}Currently Being Assessed{/td}
{td}Ruled Out{/td}

{td}What a fucking waste of money. We are paying this guy £100k a week including fees. He was supposed to return 3 weeks early - his still a few weeks away from being match fit. Juve saw us coming! {/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}Darwin Nunez Ribeiro{/td}
{td}Shoulder Injury{/td}
{td}Feb 18. 'We need further assessment; I don't know [at] the moment; it is painful, but hopefully, it's just painful and not more.'{/td}
{td}21/02/2023{/td}
{td}Late Fitness Test{/td}
{td}50%{/td}

{td}TRAC{/td}
{/tr}
{/tbody}
[/xtable]
 
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