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I was just thinking about Jurgens transfer record.
This may have been discussed somewhere already, but I was just trying to think what mistake he has made so far in 2 odd years and I cant think of any.

Hes about 50m in credit Net and has brought in Salah, Mane, VVD, Robertson, Karius, Wijnaaldum, Ox, Klavan, Matip.

Its really hard to find fault. Certainly the 5 times hes spent big the results have been great.
Guess you could argue about Wijnaldum, but he wasnt THAAAT expensive and is definitely a good part of the squad.

Its a brilliant track record.
Was he this good at Dortmund?
 
I think part of the success is not settling for our 4th or 5th target. He had a shortlist and doesn’t panic if he doesn’t get who he wants.

Our problem in the past was missing out on top players and getting dross instead.
 
I think you have to give equal credit to Edwards and his team. By all accounts, they're the ones who identify the players for Klopp.

There's been a significant improvement in the very profile of the players we've targeted over the last 3 years.

The initial rumours about this summer's targets (Jorginho, Pulisic etc.) are also very encouraging.

Can't understate how important this is. Player recruitment is the single biggest reason for any sporting team's success.
 
I still think Karius is a bit shit like so I wouldn't class him a success. But yeah, Klopp's much better in the transfer market than what we've had recently.
 
momoWASboss said:
I think part of the success is not settling for our 4th or 5th target. He had a shortlist and doesn’t panic if he doesn’t get who he wants.

Our problem in the past was missing out on top players and getting dross instead.
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That's a good shout. Also, he doesn't just buy for the sake of buying but rather sees what is significantly better than what he has first; he goes for what he sees as genuine upgrades.
 
Oncy said:
I was just thinking about Jurgens transfer record.
This may have been discussed somewhere already, but I was just trying to think what mistake he has made so far in 2 odd years and I cant think of any.

Hes about 50m in credit Net and has brought in Salah, Mane, VVD, Robertson, Karius, Wijnaaldum, Ox, Klavan, Matip.

Its really hard to find fault. Certainly the 5 times hes spent big the results have been great.
Guess you could argue about Wijnaldum, but he wasnt THAAAT expensive and is definitely a good part of the squad.

Its a brilliant track record.
Was he this good at Dortmund?
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I had the pleasure, once, of a one-on-one chat with John Barnes - casual environment- just a chance to have a chat with a legend.

Anyhoooo...

The one point he made during our discussion was that the biggest problem and thereby failure of buying in players was that people looked at performances in different systems, leagues, scenarios, etc and expected to be able to get those players to simply replicate their stats/performances once they’ve moved to a new team.

It’s a nonsense.

I mention this because I think Klopp has made a point of only bringing in players that he knows will adapt to his way of playing - and it shows.

You look at Pogba at Man Utd and you see a good player that doesn’t fit the system or way his manager wants to play.

Same with countless signings at Arsenal.

I like what Klopp does... he signs players that’ll fit his way of playing, and it works.

I’m sure there’s a more scientific, metric base to it - but it’s working - none of his signings can be classified as failures.
 
He's sold ten more than he's bought and you can tell. The squad is fucked. Final push today for the main crew hopefully and we'll creep over the line to Number 6.
 
Woland said:
He's sold ten more than he's bought and you can tell. The squad is fucked. Final push today for the main crew hopefully and we'll creep over the line to Number 6.
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Yeah the squad is leaner than it oughta be. If we’d had more of a run in the FA cup it’s arguable we’d be completely fucked right now.
 
Most of us were apoplectic at no Coutinho replacement. And whilst our results have been as good without him, the risk that we all felt was that of possible player injuries leaving us with few quality options. And here we are.
It’s by no means a disaster, but it’s also clearly a struggle to get over the line. One that might have been avoided if we had an actual replacement strategy. Not Klopp’s finest transfer moment.
 
Dirty Sanchez said:
Most of us were apoplectic at no Coutinho replacement. And whilst our results have been as good without him, the risk that we all felt was that of possible player injuries leaving us with few quality options. And here we are.
It’s by no means a disaster, but it’s also clearly a struggle to get over the line. One that might have been avoided if we had an actual replacement strategy. Not Klopp’s finest transfer moment.
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I'd love to know if there was some sort of plan that didn't come through or if it was really a case of 'auch, it'll do fucking rightly'?
 
Just had a look, and during his 9 years, Paisley bought 25 players and sold 41. Net spend £1.7m

Weird that the strongest club in Europe had 16 less players when he left than when he took over. So it can be done I guess.
 
doctor_mac said:
I'd love to know if there was some sort of plan that didn't come through or if it was really a case of 'auch, it'll do fucking rightly'?
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Yes I suppose we will never know that, but the fact that they had so much time and money to figure it out suggests that there was no real plan.
 
The plan was probs Ox and Lallana would have to step up. Ox did but fucked himself. Lallana still might. Hope so.
 
Woland said:
Just had a look, and during his 9 years, Paisley bought 25 players and sold 41. Net spend £1.7m

Weird that the strongest club in Europe had 16 less players when he left than when he took over. So it can be done I guess.
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There will be Liverpool yoots in there too though, wouldn't there?
 
Hmmm. Not many. Most of the players I recall idolising as a kid were from Scotland, Ireland and this one Welsh dude.
 
Ah. Phil Thompson and Sammy Lee were there in his final season. That's it scouse wise. Apart from Howard Gayle who didn't play and left for Birmingham at some point.

He bought, amongst others...

Phil Neal, Terry McDermot, Alan Hansen, Kenny Dalglish, Graeme Souness, Alan Kennedy, Ronnie Whelan, Ian Rush, Bruce Grobbelaar, Craig Johnston, Steve Nicol and Mark Lawrenson.

So yeah, quality over quantity it seems!
 
Dirty Sanchez said:
Most of us were apoplectic at no Coutinho replacement. And whilst our results have been as good without him, the risk that we all felt was that of possible player injuries leaving us with few quality options. And here we are.
It’s by no means a disaster, but it’s also clearly a struggle to get over the line. One that might have been avoided if we had an actual replacement strategy. Not Klopp’s finest transfer moment.
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I don't think replacing one player (and probably not adequately) would have made much difference at all, especially in an area where we were pretty well stocked. We've had three injuries to first team midfielders and we are coping. Can you imagine getting three injuries to the front players? Or the defence? We'd be absolutely fucked.

Adding depth to the attack and defence is by far the bigger priority. Particularly with Keita already on the way.
 
StevieM said:
I had the pleasure, once, of a one-on-one chat with John Barnes - casual environment- just a chance to have a chat with a legend.

Anyhoooo...

The one point he made during our discussion was that the biggest problem and thereby failure of buying in players was that people looked at performances in different systems, leagues, scenarios, etc and expected to be able to get those players to simply replicate their stats/performances once they’ve moved to a new team.

It’s a nonsense.

I mention this because I think Klopp has made a point of only bringing in players that he knows will adapt to his way of playing - and it shows.

You look at Pogba at Man Utd and you see a good player that doesn’t fit the system or way his manager wants to play.

Same with countless signings at Arsenal.

I like what Klopp does... he signs players that’ll fit his way of playing, and it works.

I’m sure there’s a more scientific, metric base to it - but it’s working - none of his signings can be classified as failures.
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I recall gasping at the money we were paying for players under Klopp; first for Mané, then for Salah and van Dijk. The consensus was that we’re being royally rinsed both by Roma and Southampton. And now all look absolute steals (Southampton would arguably have been better off taking £60 million or so last summer for van Dijk but that’s another story) and it’s down to the fact they perfectly suit Klopp’s style.

Make no mistake, though, the next step up is the most difficult; this is where Houllier, Benitez and Rodgers royally came a cropper by going for the wrong options or not even addressing the weakness.

So, I’m looking forward to our sorting out the central midfield, central defence either by improving what we already have or getting players fit for Klopp.
 
I copy and pasted the stuff below from another forum elsewhere.
Has any of the followers of German football heard anything similar


Local journalists in Dortmund yesterday openly talking about 2-3 things Liverpool related before and after the game.....

1. Pulisic is a target for English clubs however Liverpool havent made a move yet. They suspect the only offer on the table is from Arsenal

2. Pepe Reina could be the one to replace Migs...

3. And maybe the most interesting one.......Liverpool (Klopp) were informed by a BVB insider that Buvac was talking to Arsenal behind Klopps back, they also claimed it wasnt as number 1...he should have been number 2 to an unnamed trainer. He tried to sell it as 2 former work mates having regular chats etc.
 
There was report on us being interested in Pepe on a free. I would be totally for that move. Karius can learn a lot from him, and he will be a steady hand who we can bank on when needed. We wouldn't go too wrong with this decision.

That would leave our budget in tact for more pressing needs.

Hopefully we stick to what has worked for us in the last two season quality over quantity. Focus efforts on bringing two signings (on top of Keita and hopefully Pepe) who have a high chance of working well for us.

This means we won't be changing too much. Our focussed efforts with good financial backing will allow us to continue in this path.

We are not City or Chelsea to address our squad depth issue in one season. No outgoing (except may be Ming, Moreno and one of Klavan or Lovren) and four top quality additions including Keita will absolutely do for us.
 
dmishra said:
I think you have to give equal credit to Edwards and his team. By all accounts, they're the ones who identify the players for Klopp.

There's been a significant improvement in the very profile of the players we've targeted over the last 3 years.

The initial rumours about this summer's targets (Jorginho, Pulisic etc.) are also very encouraging.

Can't understate how important this is. Player recruitment is the single biggest reason for any sporting team's success.
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Aint that the truth...

Everyone raves about Scholes and Becks etc down at United coming through but Fergies best accomplishments stem from Keane and Ince and Cantona and Schmeichel getting signed...

It's a disaster for us that Wilkinson must have been drunk when he called Old Toilet, or worse still that Souness was snowed under with players slowly finishing their greatness with alcohol when Platini offered him Cantona before he even went to Leeds and we were instead ready to throw cash at Julian Dicks and Stewart and Saunders but not Keane...

Schmeichel... Liverpool fan ffs.... we signed David James...
 
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