If there's any Justice in the World? Lemar to be our Man?
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he's a bit like yer ma
"Go down to the wire" = squeeze Liverpool for the best price possible, obv.
It's a good job Monaco don't have any fans, because if they did they'd surely be quite upset that their title-winning side has sold Mendy, Silva, M'Bappe, Bakayoko and now possibly Lemar and also Fabinho.
Here's a long read on him:
http://www.sixcrazyminutes.com/inde...emar-to-be-our-man.106611/page-4#post-1610417
an excerpt:
[article]One of the worries with Lemar is he’s just not anywhere close to a potent shot taker. It’d be one thing if he was such a high-level creator that he was tipping the scales massively in his favor regardless, but he’s not quite that. To this point he’s been fine as a playmaker and that’s been the case since his days at Caen, but if you top out as something resembling a solid creator with middling shot numbers, there’s probably a ceiling to how good you’ll as a player. A team thinking of buying Lemar in the near future with much more information to go through has to think critically of this. If you’re expecting him to be the type of attacking player to regularly contribute towards 15-20 goals, at this stage of his development I would be very hesitant as he’s over shooting all his expected goal numbers (both shooting and creating) by nearly double. However if you imagine him as someone who can contribute towards say ten to twelve goals but be super important in being able to create transition opportunities or simply moving the chains from the defensive third to the final third through his dribbling and passing, then that’s a different case and he could definitely perform that type of role.
Player development a lot of times isn’t a linear progression when you go from young talent -> good -> very good and perhaps I’m underrating what 24-year-old Lemar will be. He is still an intriguing prospect, quite young and doesn’t turn 22 until November. While players on average peak around their mid 20s, this is by no means fixed. All we can control is the process and make educated guesses going forward, and to this point, I’m just not willing to put him in the realm of former Ligue 1 prospects like Dembele, Anthony Martial and pre-ACL tear Nabil Fekir where as a big club you would not think twice about splurging money for potentially world class players. He rarely gets himself into opportunities that he can shoot, and when he does it’s not like the shot quality is anything to boast about. In a more attacking role, does he grow into that or will he long term be more of a cog behind more natural attackers?
Don’t get me wrong, Lemar will make Monaco a huge profit when he inevitably moves on from France. His ability to drive his team into the final third with his dribbling is an asset, he has the athletic ability to survive in a higher-octane league, he’s got a wicked left foot for set pieces/crosses and he’s a capable passer. He seems an interesting fit for teams that have somewhat unconventional ways of creating attacks, especially ones that like to have a wide player that can drive play through the middle. In many ways, the variance that’s driving his high goal and assist per90 clip obscures what makes Thomas Lemar a genuine prospect, and it will be in the best interest of his next club to sort out that noise from reality.[/article]
Fucking oath! That just made my ears bleed. Annoying as when it started it sounded like the soundtrack to 'The Littlest Hobo" - Which would have been ace.
I guess that's us!
S'pose it's no surprise he's not viewed in the top tier. 90M or whatever figure is being bandied about now is a top tier fee though.
That's a bit of a strange thing to say when he 'contributed' to 29 goals last season (19 in the league alone, 9 goals and 10 assists).
The article was dated Feb and I guess the key word is regularly (as the previous season was the 1st time he did). Was probably highlighting his expected goal to shot stats too.
Already has 2 assists in 4 league appearances though. I'm sure the TC and Klopp are confident in working on his weakness and/or exploiting his strengths if they are prepared to offer that much for him.
From another lad at Statsbomb
*Do note the dates: 1st tweet end May, 2nd tweet early July
Lemar is a playmaker, not an outright winger, although he can play and be very effective on the wing. His idol is Iniesta, and there are many similarities to their game (but some differences too – more on that later).
Strengths:
- A wand-like left foot. He can really put the ball on a plate, his trademark pass is a soft-ish curved ball that can range from a long pass to a cross to a delicate chip, but is always easy for the striker to control and hard to intercept. This is the primary reason his assist stats are so damn good.
- Beating a player 1 on 1. He doesn't typically go on long mazy runs, but he can reliably beat almost any defender 1 on 1 on both sides to make enough space for a cross or a pass. Acceleration over short distance is excellent.
- Tactical intelligence. This is the part you can't really see from highlights – he's a real playmaker by disposition and a keen student of the game. His vision for the pass is excellent and his movement to find space is very intelligent, especially for such a young player; actually the way he roams to find pockets of space between the lines reminds me of a younger Sturridge.
- Goal-scoring. Unlike his idol Iniesta, Lemar is a menace in front of goal – 9 league goals last season (14 in all comps). He scores a variety of goals, but a few of them were long-range strikes where he guides the ball seemingly at will to where GK can't reach it.
- Set-pieces. His left-foot delivery from any set piece situation is absolutely lethal and he's scored a few direct free-kicks as well. Has all the potential to be one of the best set-piece specialists in the game.
- Slight build. Also a bit like Sturridge, he avoids physical duels, finding spaces in between defenders rather than challenging them directly. Obviously he won't be much help defensively in physical battles, although his work-rate is good and he is not lazy – just doesn't have the build to win those battles.
- One-footedness has been mentioned as a weakness, but I don't buy it – it's not that his right foot is bad and he can certainly dribble to both sides, but it's just that the left foot is so awesome, so why not use it? It's like saying Messi or Robben is one-footed.
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Lemar > Liverpool
Coutinho > Barcelona
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If you're familiar with the expected goals metric, its not a strange comment at all.
Lemar's numbers last season suggest a large element of luck (factors outside his control, that can't be counted on to be present next year ot any other year). It could also be because Lemar is a spectacular talent.
Bit at this point the sample size is too small to tell what the real story is, from the numbers.
So its not a strange comment at all.
Its a matter for scouts to figure out which one is correct.
Would I be happy if we sold Coutinho for roughly €160M and bought Lemar for roughly €100M? No, not really. Would I be unhappy? Also no. These valuations seem more or less fair (in relation to each other), considering the status and potential of each player. I'll be fine with either outcome – most important thing would be not to end up selling Coutinho before signing a top replacement.
Lemar is not a 100 M player... no way!!
I agree. But neither is Coutinho a 160M player.
If Troy Deeney is a £32m player then even I'm a £100m player
The Firm speaketh. It's a done deal.
Isn't Balde a striker?
Don't see how he's connected to Monaco letting Lemar go.
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Yep. If anything, it makes them less likely to want Origi, I would think.
It shows Lucas is doing his job. Already told Balde how good a club Liverpool is. So now he has to go to Monaco so Lemar can to there!!!
Thinking some more about it, probably my preferred outcome after all would be to keep Coutinho for (at least) one more season, which means we probably won't sign Lemar this summer. I have no worries about his reintegrating into the squad and maybe, like Xabi Alonso after his spat with Rafa, he could give us a world-class last season before leaving for Spain. Then next summer we can worry about how to replace him; we'll have a whole season to plan for that.
Most importantly we get to see how we play with Salah, Mane, Coutinho and Firmino on the pitch.
Christ, this might just become my favourite team ever.
Mine to with that defender VVD included. The only problem is - when you know Coutinho wants out - do you really want him playing ? just gives a bad feeling to the whole idea.
In the end it's all business. The cunt will apologise and do his best. World Cup year n all.
A team that can challenge on four fronts and isn't fucked in Jan because everyone is injured or fatigued from playing 10 games in 28 days.
And he can't even do keepy upies
