Hodgson v Dalglish
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Since it's Liverpool we're all discussing, and since Hodgson fell a long way short of being up to the Liverpool job (unless you think that's just a presumption), the answer to your first question would be " in this case, yes". None of those testimonies from lesser players at smaller clubs meant a damn thing when it came to appointing a Liverpool manager.
Hodgson did get accolades, and deservedly, for what he did at Fulham. If you're trying to say, as you seem to be, that he had as many as Kenny, that's something else on which you and another poster will have to agree to differ.
I assumed Squigs was talking about the legacy of shit players he'd leave behind, with little chance of recouping much of the vast sums we paid for them. There's no getting away from it - Kenny had a massive opportunity to take some significant strides forward, and if anything, we've gone backwards.
I could never mention him in the same breath as Hodgson, but there's no doubt it's a valid question. Although I'd like to think that if it came to it, Dalglish would take the decision out of the owners' hands.
Comparing Dalglish to Hodgson is being needlessly controversial.
Hodgson took something we all know and love and turned into something cold and alien. It went beyond results on the pitch. That's why he was so reviled. You were all there. Does it really need explaining?
There is a lot wrong with Dalglish's Liverpool at the moment (I do think some are downplaying it) but I don't see what relevance Hodgson has in that discussion.
Hodgson took something we all know and love and turned into something cold and alien. It went beyond results on the pitch. That's why he was so reviled. You were all there. Does it really need explaining?
There is a lot wrong with Dalglish's Liverpool at the moment (I do think some are downplaying it) but I don't see what relevance Hodgson has in that discussion.
I'm far from happy with the way things are currently. But I'm a damn site happier than i was in the Hodgson era. The off field problems obviously didnt help.
Why exactly?
Was it needlessly controversial to compare Hodgson to Rafa, or Rafa to Houllier, and so on?
we hadn't managed it for 6 years
I explained it in my previous post.
I agree that we look as though we've lacked direction this season and I agree with some of the other stuff you've said. I just don't see what comparisons to Hodgson bring to the table.
Correct. I've had enough.
I wouldn't say I've had enough, but that are a number of posters that are becoming more than annoying (to put it mildly).
I'm still very much in kenny's corner but 1 win in 6 games with the other games being losses understandable has some people twitchy. I think it's only the measure of respect for kenny that stops people giving kenny abuse.
What's annoying is having posters constantly moan about others.
Here you go:
http://www.redandwhitekop.com
http://www.ynwa.tv/
Here you go:
http://www.redandwhitekop.com
http://www.ynwa.tv/
reading the paper this morning has me a little worried as kenny said (paraphasing) we may have to change our footballing philosophy to get results. you don't change your principles because you're struggling as you'll never perfect your principles as you'll go into your shell everytime the shit hits the fan.
I'm not talking about you, or any of the more established posters. There's a few that are sneaking through that Brendan would have weeded out.
Anyway, it doesn't bother me, but I can see where Vlad and others are coming from.
No it's not, having to listen to same drivel, by the same monotonous posters, with the same fucking tired point in every thread is enough to get most people's backs up. I think a few posters have more than made their points clear enough times.
to be fair there is only a limited amount of things to talk about with regards to LFC so stuff is bound to be repeated, a lot.
No there's not, you can talk about different aspects, show some perspective, be constructive and say what should be done, how we can change it, how we can make the best of a bad situation. Not "Kenny is shit and we're doomed" every time a thread is remotely linked to our current form or a recent result, or a player.
I think most people have expressed their dissatisfaction at some point and on probably more than one occasion, but many are also capable of posting or seeing and acknowledging different viewpoints and discussing it without just adding negative, repetitive post after negative, repetitive post.
I think most people have expressed their dissatisfaction at some point and on probably more than one occasion, but many are also capable of posting or seeing and acknowledging different viewpoints and discussing it without just adding negative, repetitive post after negative, repetitive post.
For my money that depends on the amount of time you've spent trying to put those principles into practice. GH had us playing some lovely stuff for a short while and abandoned it far too quickly when we shipped a couple of goals in games we should have won but didn't. Kenny by contrast has given it most of this season, and something's clearly not clicking, so something's got to change, even if perhaps only temporarily.
difficult to show perpective when you've won one in six. personally speaking I view over the course of a season and judge it as such. I know I made a 'we're shit' thread but I was venting and mostly still in kenny's corner. the people whose patience is at an end, can you really blame them?
that's a fair point I guess.
Exactly JJ. We used to get fucked off with Rafa and Ged's stubbornness and inability to break off the shackles, this is the opposite if anything, it's Kenny saying, "well it's clearly not working, let's try something else". It might be a bit too late but at least he's acknowledging the issue and not saying he's going to keep persevering at our expense in the hope it'll work, it's not going to without the right players. He's made a mess of things but at least he's saying something positive regarding changing it, and if that means changing his principles in the short term, then so be it. That's where a manager earns his money, in adapting to various situations and showing a willingness to be versatile with his tactics. It might not work but it's better than sitting there doing fuck all about it, and being stubborn.
Aye! If Rafa had done similar I have do doubts we'd be in the Champions league places and pressing on. We need to win and until we have the personnel with the technical ability to do that with flowing football I don't really care how we do it.
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