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Ryan

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What a limp dick of a game that was. The first half was as inept as any fixture I've watched this season. Two good sides shuffling around at zero pace, happily giving the ball away at will. Whatever side decided to up the stakes first in the second period was alwasy going to win it, and so it proved. Arsenal gambled first.

I didn't think Arsenal did a lot to deserve it, but they were better. Twice as many shots as us, and the balls to take the game slightly by the scruff got them a win. The goal could and should have been avoided. Degen's positioning was brutal. I could be polite and put it down to just coming on, being a bit awry etc etc, but I won't - it was shit positional sense. Kuyt had the back post covered, it was his job to fill the space behind Agger. Carragher wouldn't have made the same error. Fuck knows what Degen was thinking.

Aside from Degen, we were ordinary. A few decent performances by Skrtel, Mascherano and Gerrard, were overshadowed by some really poor efforts by others - namely Kuyt and Maxi. Both of whom looked like they were running with concrete in their boots. Similarly Arsenal had as many shite performers - Arshavin, Rosicky, Diaby until the goal - were all largely anonymous. One thing this game showed me was the distant gap between the top 2 and everyone else.

We missed Torres. Badly. No kudos for that startling bit of insight I know, but he'd have made a mighty difference. Several times (especially in the first half actually) there were gaps in Arsenal's flat-as-fuck back four, and either the final through ball was delayed or not played - maybe the midfielder in possession was being cautionary in possession, but it probably had more to do with them not fancying N'gog's chances or his lack of run into space. The same players don't think twice when Torres is in such circumstances. Similarly Johnson would have helped. We overloaded Clichy in the first half (Gerrard in particular spending a lot of time there), but didn't have the pace or guile to break through the weak left-back. I haven't bothered reading any other viewpoints yet, but I bet people are wailing about 'pace'. Who in Arsenal's front 5 or 6 has pace? No one. United's? Valencia, even he's not all that. Chelsea? I'm out. It's not about having fucking lighting players. Speed of tempo, ball movement and thought opens teams up. There's a reason why Babel and Walcott sit on the bench most weeks.

A decent cameo from Babel, but the opportunity was there for him. He'll always be better when he comes on as a sub in games with zero risk. With space to move into, against tired opposition, and no defensive requirements rom him, he can be dangerous. It's when Walcott looks most dangerous too, for good reason. Babel almost made the difference too, and will no doubt get more chances to play in the coming weeks off the back of it.

Two things irked more than anything though; Riera's a much better option on the left. I like Maxi, he's decent in possession, and provides a lot to the team. I think he'll get better as the season progresses, and he gets more and more gametime with those around him, but far far too often he cuts inside and narrows everything right down. Riera's not John Barnes, but his ability to stretch things, and the possibility of him going one-on-one against Eboue could have made a difference. Maxi played into their hands too often, and when things are that tight, it takes a miracle few touches to prise open an opportunity. Even Arsenal's mediocre back six can snuff that out.

More worrying was how Gerrard felt the need to drop so deep to get us moving for an equaliser. It's that he feels he has to do that which should cause most concern. How many games did we win late last year? I don't remember him dropping beside Mascherano then to get the tempo raised. We miss Alonso so much in times like this it hurts. Sure Gerrard is good enough to ping balls around and dictate things, but is that where we really want him when we're chasing a goal, on the halfway line playing passes?

I know additions in the forward department are a huge priority this Summer, but if Rafa doesn't think Aquilani's going to step up, then I'd be in the market for a top quality midfielder. We can't rely on Gerrard to play in every role.

That was a ordinary Arsenal effort tonight, and the game was there for the taking. We let it go.
 
Excellent football post as usual Ryan, agree with all of that although I would include Lucas in the better players for tonight - I thought he did a good job in breaking down Arsenals play until he was brought off which I have to say surprised me!
 
What about James Milner, would you take him Ryan? He seems to be playing a more creative, central role for Villa this season.

Rafa has to make a big decision with Aqua, can't wait around forever for somone to get match fitness and make an impact.
 
Ok, so agree with almost all of that but if you're going to hold Degen responsible for the goal and make no mention of Insua for the goal smacks of prejudice. My 7 year old would have defended that over lap better and he got caught like a schoolboy.


Gerrard sitting back was a concern - as you say - on the one hand but encouraging as well. I still think if Aqua is to play a role in this team it will be up behind Torres. That's the only position - IMO - that he's going to have what it takes to help us win games.

Gerrard sitting so deep was nuts - he doesn't need to do that and if we've got our fullbacks and wingers actually causing a genuine threat he won't do that. Mascher is more than capable of finding the wingers or fullbacks going forward and Gerrard can play as a genuine CM rather than a DM.

People keep saying that Gerrard gets closed down in midfield and he doesn't carry that threat; he gets closed down if the opposition have no concern about any player around him. If Aqua carries a threat in behind Torres then Gerrard will find some space at CM and it's his drive which can kick start what has, at times, been a very stuttering outfit.

The point about Riera is spot on. I'm far from his biggest fan and, if Kuyt is staying at RM then I think we need something more dangerous on the left. However, he is certainly capable of getting a cross in and can keep the ball with width down that left side which Maxi certainly can't. In all honesty everyone said before he came that Maxi could play on the right or in the hole but could not play on the left so hardly a surprise that he's struggling out there.
 
I like Milner, but what would it take to get him, 15M odd? It's not gonna happen.

We need more world class players. Again, amazing insight, but it's true. Look at us when we went 1-0 down, if Gerrard doesn't do something amazing, we don't score.

We need another world class talent to accompany Gerrard and Torres in an attcking sense. I'm not really arsed if that player is a left winger, right winger, striker, in the hole type, so long as we've got someone else to rely on when it matters.
 
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Ok, so agree with almost all of that but if you're going to hold Degen responsible for the goal and make no mention of Insua for the goal smacks of prejudice. My 7 year old would have defended that over lap better and he got caught like a schoolboy.


Gerrard sitting back was a concern - as you say - on the one hand but encouraging as well. I still think if Aqua is to play a role in this team it will be up behind Torres. That's the only position - IMO - that he's going to have what it takes to help us win games.

Gerrard sitting so deep was nuts - he doesn't need to do that and if we've got our fullbacks and wingers actually causing a genuine threat he won't do that. Mascher is more than capable of finding the wingers or fullbacks going forward and Gerrard can play as a genuine CM rather than a DM.

People keep saying that Gerrard gets closed down in midfield and he doesn't carry that threat; he gets closed down if the opposition have no concern about any player around him. If Aqua carries a threat in behind Torres then Gerrard will find some space at CM and it's his drive which can kick start what has, at times, been a very stuttering outfit.

The point about Riera is spot on. I'm far from his biggest fan and, if Kuyt is staying at RM then I think we need something more dangerous on the left. However, he is certainly capable of getting a cross in and can keep the ball with width down that left side which Maxi certainly can't. In all honesty everyone said before he came that Maxi could play on the right or in the hole but could not play on the left so hardly a surprise that he's struggling out there.
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Yup, agreed.
 
Chelsea's pace; Drogba, Anelka

United; Rooney, Valencia

The above teams also have pace at full-back.

We have none, really, other than Steven Gerrard
 
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Chelsea's pace; Drogba, Anelka

United; Rooney, Valencia

The above teams also have pace at full-back.

We have none, really, other than Steven Gerrard
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But we do have Magic and Torres on the sidelines.

EDIT - Babel also has pace, although he's shit
 
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Chelsea's pace; Drogba, Anelka

United; Rooney, Valencia

The above teams also have pace at full-back.

We have none, really, other than Steven Gerrard
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Drogba's hardly fucking lightning is he? Besides, he rarely uses pace to worry defenders, as you well know. And you obviously haven't watched much of Anelka in the last year or two. He plays behind Drogba for the most part. Chelsea are not quick in attack at all.

Rooney's not as quick as Gerrard. And in Johnson and Torres, we've got more than enough speed to threaten if you're that bothered.

"We need pace" is as useless a statement as you can make really. Why don't we play Babel then? Why do Arshavin, Nasri and Rosicky start ahead of Walcott? Why's Nani nearly always on the bench?
 
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I like Milner, but what would it take to get him, 15M odd? It's not gonna happen.

We need more world class players. Again, amazing insight, but it's true. Look at us when we went 1-0 down, if Gerrard doesn't do something amazing, we don't score.

We need another world class talent to accompany Gerrard and Torres in an attcking sense. I'm not really arsed if that player is a left winger, right winger, striker, in the hole type, so long as we've got someone else to rely on when it matters.
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Fair enough but it's going to take that kind of money fo sign top quality anyway is it not?

I'm definetely in agreement that we need another Alonso like player in terms of dictating the play and freeing up Gerrard.
 
Just for the record, Babel ain't fast - not in football terms anyway. *Stay away Keni*.


Pace is all varying degrees, Ryan.

With the ball I'd honestly say that I think the mancs, Chelsea and Arsenal are way ahead in pace compared to us. I'd also say that across the park they're quicker than us. Gerrard and Torres aside we wouldn't match them in any other position IMO -with the possible exception of Johnson against either the mancs or Chelsea.


I remember well the unbeatable Arsenal team; the pace they had and used right across the pitch. I'm not saying you have to be that fast but I think the threat needs to be there just to keep the opponent on edge. If you're sitting on someone and you know they're quick enough to cause you grief it makes you just that little more edgy.

We have Kuyt, Riera, Maxi and Insua; none of them would make an opponent edgy for pace and we suffer because of it.

It's not the most important ingredient for a team but it's certainly a factor and dismissing it would be as foolhardy as claiming it to be numero uno IMO.
 
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I like Milner, but what would it take to get him, 15M odd? It's not gonna happen.

We need more world class players. Again, amazing insight, but it's true. Look at us when we went 1-0 down, if Gerrard doesn't do something amazing, we don't score.

We need another world class talent to accompany Gerrard and Torres in an attcking sense. I'm not really arsed if that player is a left winger, right winger, striker, in the hole type, so long as we've got someone else to rely on when it matters.
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Fair enough but it's going to take that kind of money fo sign top quality anyway is it not?

I'm definetely in agreement that we need another Alonso like player in terms of dictating the play and freeing up Gerrard.

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Well if we had 15M, I wouldn't spend it on Milner I suppose.
 
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Just for the record, Babel ain't fast - not in football terms anyway. *Stay away Keni*.


Pace is all varying degrees, Ryan.

With the ball I'd honestly say that I think the mancs, Chelsea and Arsenal are way ahead in pace compared to us. I'd also say that across the park they're quicker than us. Gerrard and Torres aside we wouldn't match them in any other position IMO -with the possible exception of Johnson against either the mancs or Chelsea.


I remember well the unbeatable Arsenal team; the pace they had and used right across the pitch. I'm not saying you have to be that fast but I think the threat needs to be there just to keep the opponent on edge. If you're sitting on someone and you know they're quick enough to cause you grief it makes you just that little more edgy.

We have Kuyt, Riera, Maxi and Insua; none of them would make an opponent edgy for pace and we suffer because of it.

It's not the most important ingredient for a team but it's certainly a factor and dismissing it would be as foolhardy as claiming it to be numero uno IMO.
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I'm not dismissing it Wiz. Certainly tonight Torres' pace and directness would have made a difference, as I alluded to in the first post. But it's not a pre-requisite for success. Plenty of teams with no greater pace than the side we had out tonight, or on many nights, have won trophies. Looking at a teamsheet prior to kick-off and going "we've got no pace, we're fucked" is pathetic. What pace was in that Arsenal starting 11 tonight? Clichy? And what the fuck did he do.

As Del said in another thread, we don't need someone to kick it 10 yards, and bolt after it. We had that in Cisse, and sold him. We've got that in Babel, and will sell him too. Arshavin's pretty fucking ordinary when it comes to sprinting, but it doesn't really matter does it? He's got enough ability, trickery and technique to drift away or past a player. Berbatov too. I'd much rather see us go after a quality player that can keep the ball better than 99% of his colleagues, than fawn around after someone with raw pace. I can't really think of an example, but I'd take a Tevez over a Walcott if you get my meaning.

Rafa seemingly works along the same lines. Bar Torres, he's never really gone after a forward option with blinding pace. Crouch, Morientes, Kuyt, Riera, Simao, etc etc. He's sold Cisse and Pongolle, and doesn't rate Babel.

Of course there are brilliant footballers, that are quick as fuck too, but they generally get sold to Real Madrid for 80M. In a market like this, you rarely get both speed and brilliant ability under 20M. And given the way Rafa sets his team up to play, he invariably sacrifices pace when choosing a player. Maybe it's the Spanish way, who knows. But for the most part I agree with him.
 
I'm note entirely disagreeing with you Ryan but you mention Morientes who was a woeful failure, Simao who was a bullet dodged, Crouch who was bought for his height to get the ball in the air and really only scored with his feet, Riera who is the best we have on the left but is most assuredly not the player to bring us a title and Kuyt who is certainly important to us but would be enormously enhanced if he had some pace.


You actually made a post about Cisse after Rafa sold him; watching him play a game after leaving us he rarely touched the leather but scored two goals while we couldn't buy a goal.

I'm not saying that Cisse is by any means the answer and I don't think Babel is either but I'll say right now that Henry and Ronaldo would not be anything like the superstars they are or have been without their out and out pace.


I fully agree that we need players who can create, who can drift off a defender and use guile to create some space, players who can keep the ball etc. But if you want to win a title, if you want to be the best there is then you need the full package and that includes pace.

Many of us have argued that Stevie is damn close to the complete player but he'd be nothing like as effective if he didn't have the ability to burst forward with power and pace. Torres, for all his natural ability would not be close to the top striker in the world if he was a couple of yards slower.

You can be a tremendous footballer without pace and you can have a strong team without pace - no argument. But if/when you want to compete with the likes of Barca, Real, Chelsea or the mancs then you need as many ingredients as possible........... and pace is one of them.
 
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I'm note entirely disagreeing with you Ryan but you mention Morientes who was a woeful failure, Simao who was a bullet dodged, Crouch who was bought for his height to get the ball in the air and really only scored with his feet, Riera who is the best we have on the left but is most assuredly not the player to bring us a title and Kuyt who is certainly important to us but would be enormously enhanced if he had some pace.


You actually made a post about Cisse after Rafa sold him; watching him play a game after leaving us he rarely touched the leather but scored two goals while we couldn't buy a goal.

I'm not saying that Cisse is by any means the answer and I don't think Babel is either but I'll say right now that Henry and Ronaldo would not be anything like the superstars they are or have been without their out and out pace.


I fully agree that we need players who can create, who can drift off a defender and use guile to create some space, players who can keep the ball etc. But if you want to win a title, if you want to be the best there is then you need the full package and that includes pace.

Many of us have argued that Stevie is damn close to the complete player but he'd be nothing like as effective if he didn't have the ability to burst forward with power and pace. Torres, for all his natural ability would not be close to the top striker in the world if he was a couple of yards slower.

You can be a tremendous footballer without pace and you can have a strong team without pace - no argument. But if/when you want to compete with the likes of Barca, Real, Chelsea or the mancs then you need as many ingredients as possible........... and pace is one of them.
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Mate, I wasn't mentionning those players (Morientes, Crouch, etc) as vindication. Just trying to highlight that he doesn't go after players with raw pace.

As for the rest of that, I actually think we're saying pretty much the same thing. If you look at most top teams - Chelsea, Arsenal, United, Barca, Spain, Brazil, etc etc - there are rarely more than 2 or 3 very quick players in their sides. In Torres, Gerrard, Johnson, and maybe one or two others, we mirror that.

The primary difference is that for the most part their speed of ball movement and thought is better and quicker than ours. We need better footballers, not quicker footballers.
 
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I'm note entirely disagreeing with you Ryan but you mention Morientes who was a woeful failure, Simao who was a bullet dodged, Crouch who was bought for his height to get the ball in the air and really only scored with his feet, Riera who is the best we have on the left but is most assuredly not the player to bring us a title and Kuyt who is certainly important to us but would be enormously enhanced if he had some pace.


You actually made a post about Cisse after Rafa sold him; watching him play a game after leaving us he rarely touched the leather but scored two goals while we couldn't buy a goal.

I'm not saying that Cisse is by any means the answer and I don't think Babel is either but I'll say right now that Henry and Ronaldo would not be anything like the superstars they are or have been without their out and out pace.


I fully agree that we need players who can create, who can drift off a defender and use guile to create some space, players who can keep the ball etc. But if you want to win a title, if you want to be the best there is then you need the full package and that includes pace.

Many of us have argued that Stevie is damn close to the complete player but he'd be nothing like as effective if he didn't have the ability to burst forward with power and pace. Torres, for all his natural ability would not be close to the top striker in the world if he was a couple of yards slower.

You can be a tremendous footballer without pace and you can have a strong team without pace - no argument. But if/when you want to compete with the likes of Barca, Real, Chelsea or the mancs then you need as many ingredients as possible........... and pace is one of them.
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Mate, I wasn't mentionning those players (Morientes, Crouch, etc) as vindication. Just trying to highlight that he doesn't go after players with raw pace.

As for the rest of that, I actually think we're saying pretty much the same thing. If you look at most top teams - Chelsea, Arsenal, United, Barca, Spain, Brazil, etc etc - there are rarely more than 2 or 3 very quick players in their sides. In Torres, Gerrard, Johnson, and maybe one or two others, we mirror that.

The primary difference is that for the most part their speed of ball movement and thought is better and quicker than ours. We need better footballers, not quicker footballers.
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Agree entirely.

My point on mentioning Morientes etc is that the flaw in signing them by Rafa was they had no pace *whatsoever*. I think Morientes would have been a success if he'd had some pace to go with it - he was great in the CL run when he was on loan with that French team who's name escapes me but got beat by Porto and Jose in the final.
 
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I'm note entirely disagreeing with you Ryan but you mention Morientes who was a woeful failure, Simao who was a bullet dodged, Crouch who was bought for his height to get the ball in the air and really only scored with his feet, Riera who is the best we have on the left but is most assuredly not the player to bring us a title and Kuyt who is certainly important to us but would be enormously enhanced if he had some pace.


You actually made a post about Cisse after Rafa sold him; watching him play a game after leaving us he rarely touched the leather but scored two goals while we couldn't buy a goal.

I'm not saying that Cisse is by any means the answer and I don't think Babel is either but I'll say right now that Henry and Ronaldo would not be anything like the superstars they are or have been without their out and out pace.


I fully agree that we need players who can create, who can drift off a defender and use guile to create some space, players who can keep the ball etc. But if you want to win a title, if you want to be the best there is then you need the full package and that includes pace.

Many of us have argued that Stevie is damn close to the complete player but he'd be nothing like as effective if he didn't have the ability to burst forward with power and pace. Torres, for all his natural ability would not be close to the top striker in the world if he was a couple of yards slower.

You can be a tremendous footballer without pace and you can have a strong team without pace - no argument. But if/when you want to compete with the likes of Barca, Real, Chelsea or the mancs then you need as many ingredients as possible........... and pace is one of them.
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Mate, I wasn't mentionning those players (Morientes, Crouch, etc) as vindication. Just trying to highlight that he doesn't go after players with raw pace.

As for the rest of that, I actually think we're saying pretty much the same thing. If you look at most top teams - Chelsea, Arsenal, United, Barca, Spain, Brazil, etc etc - there are rarely more than 2 or 3 very quick players in their sides. In Torres, Gerrard, Johnson, and maybe one or two others, we mirror that.

The primary difference is that for the most part their speed of ball movement and thought is better and quicker than ours. We need better footballers, not quicker footballers.
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Agree entirely.

My point on mentioning Morientes etc is that the flaw in signing them by Rafa was they had no pace *whatsoever*. I think Morientes would have been a success if he'd had some pace to go with it - he was great in the CL run when he was on loan with that French team who's name escapes me but got beat by Porto and Jose in the final.
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Oh yes I agree with that.
 
Without Torres and Magic, we have arguably one of the slowest teams in the league, and it is painfully apparent. We have no pace at full-back, the wings, or up front, we don't even pass the ball at pace.

Other top teams have pace, and plenty of it, all over the pitch, be it full-back (Evra, Cole) the wings (Malouda, Nani, Valencia) or up-front (Rooney, Anelka, Drogba)

We are slow as fuck, and trying to pretend it isn't important is fucking futile

Benitez has bought more glacier-paced players than anyone
 
I had the same conversation with a friend of mine last night regarding our lack of pace. Sure, Chelsea arent exactly lightning, but theyre also not playing (as we did last night) with lumps at fullback, the dullest central midfield partnership in the premiership, and workmanlike/ steady wide midfielders....

How the fuck do you expect to beat Arsenal with those kind of qualities, other than be rock solid at the back, and then hit them on the counter with some gas....?
 
It's all well and good to point to the Iniestas of this world, but we don't have any of those either and they're far from affordable. So what is really the point of this argument?

The point of pace is that when the team as a whole doesn't have as much technical ability as you'd like, it goes a long way. That's why a lot of lower teams rely on pacey players. And that's where the pace argument comes from - it's easier to buy in than to magically become Barcelona.
 
Im with Brendan. When was the last time we banged a ball behind a fullback and one of our 'wingers' out paced a fullback and created a goalscoring opportunity? It would be a nice thing to add to our side because everything is sideways to feet or hoof with this current side when Torres is missing.

Mascherano and Lucas struggle at the best of times when the onus is on us to create but even they would find it easier with their limited ability if they had another option with the ball.
 
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Im with Brendan. When was the last time we banged a ball behind a fullback and one of our 'wingers' out paced a fullback and created a goalscoring opportunity?
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last season - real madrid at home, babel absolutely roasts ramos and crosses for gerrard.
 
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Without Torres and Magic, we have arguably one of the slowest teams in the league, and it is painfully apparent. We have no pace at full-back, the wings, or up front, we don't even pass the ball at pace.

Other top teams have pace, and plenty of it, all over the pitch, be it full-back (Evra, Cole) the wings (Malouda, Nani, Valencia) or up-front (Rooney, Anelka, Drogba)

We are slow as fuck, and trying to pretend it isn't important is fucking futile

Benitez has bought more glacier-paced players than anyone
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Yep.

No one is asking for Cisse-like pace all over. Players like Lampard, Essien, Drogba all have good pace and POWER going forward. That's all you need. Not a team of speedsters but a team of MOBILE players. We do have that in Johnson, Agger, Babel, Mascherano, Gerrard and Torres.. but that's it.. with the likes Kuyt, Riera, Lucas, Maxi, Ngog and Insua we are BRUTALLY slow.. and it's not like a our players have got the technique or skill of a Xavi to make up for it either.
 
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Brutally average
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I don't agree but let's leave it at that.
 
First off I'm not sure why Maxi started on the left because he is inept there. Riera is a much better option. Against opposition of the Gooners quality, Gerrard should have partnered Mascherano in midfield and we should have started with 2 strikers. The way we finished the game is exactly how we should have started. This game was a great opportunity for us to do the business. Rafa and his cautious tactics is frustrating as fuck!
 
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Ngog is brutually slow?
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His pace baffles me. He was always seems to be quick enough to suggest he might make it onto a through ball, but just never quick enough to actually make it. It also seems like he's got BRUTAL acceleration from a standing start to his (above) average top speed. Finally, there's just no power in his running. He gets brushed off the ball and knocked about far too easily, even when he appears to have the momentum on his side. If he improved his acceleration and power, then I supposed he could be classified as 'quick' especially given his longer stride length.
 
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