Harvey Elliott

[Modo]

He can play in Mo's position in my view - what did he do at Blackburn ? - I mean that position.

At Blackburn? In the Championship?
LW, RW, AM that's where he played.

Also just because you can play in a position doesn't make you any good in that position.

He's not good or quick enough to be a winger at LFC. So we play him as CM, which brings with it a lot of defensive responsibilities.

 

[Fabio]

At Blackburn? In the Championship?
LW, RW, AM that's where he played.

Also just because you can play in a position doesn't make you any good in that position.

He's not good or quick enough to be a winger at LFC. So we play him as CM, which brings with it a lot of defensive responsibility.

Depends how we plan to play going forward. Mo seems to be staying deeper and being more of a creative force. Elliott could do that easily

 

[Modo]

Depends how we plan to play going forward. Mo seems to be staying deeper and being more of a creative force. Elliott could do that easily

Yeah Elliott could probably do that, will he be as effective though?

Wouldn't it hurt our counter attacking?

 

[Modo]

On a different note, what level of talent do you think he is?

I mentioned Trent earlier in this thread and apparently he's not at his level so he's out of the Bellingham/Foden/Saka tier.

Cause, when we signed him the expectations were quite high if I remember it correctly.

Is he destined to be a squad player now?

 

[Frogfish]

Depends how we plan to play going forward. Mo seems to be staying deeper and being more of a creative force. Elliott could do that easily

That's ignoring Mo's goals and assists contribution though. Whoever plays there (and this includes Doak) will have to score and assist (though no one will be close to Mo's level).

 

[Frogfish]

On a different note, what level of talent do you think he is?

I mentioned Trent earlier in this thread and apparently he's not at his level so he's out of the Bellingham/Foden/Saka tier.

Cause, when we signed him the expectations were quite high if I remember it correctly.

Is he destined to be a squad player now?

If he doesn't get to a higher tier (Gakpo for example) within a couple of years we'll sell him I expect.

 

[Glen C]

On a different note, what level of talent do you think he is?

I mentioned Trent earlier in this thread and apparently he's not at his level so he's out of the Bellingham/Foden/Saka tier.

Cause, when we signed him the expectations were quite high if I remember it correctly.

Is he destined to be a squad player now?

Cant see him being anything other than a squad player. But there's nothing wrong with that. Every team(apart from city) have players that can do a job. Anyway we are nowhere near in the position of letting go of a midfielder, especially a English one.

 

[Fabio]

On a different note, what level of talent do you think he is?

I mentioned Trent earlier in this thread and apparently he's not at his level so he's out of the Bellingham/Foden/Saka tier.

Cause, when we signed him the expectations were quite high if I remember it correctly.

Is he destined to be a squad player now?

Elliott could have been in that bracket if we played a system to maximise his talent; but we don't. Not too late mind

Not sure what to compare him to tbh

 

[keniget]

Elliott could have been in that bracket if we played a system to maximise his talent; but we don't. Not too late mind

Not sure what to compare him to tbh

I disagree. Top tier talent either transcend systems or they have systems built around them (see Trent).

 

[Modo]

Cant see him being anything other than a squad player. But there's nothing wrong with that. Every team(apart from city) have players that can do a job. Anyway we are nowhere near in the position of letting go of a midfielder, especially a English one.

I hope Elliott is more involved this season and plays a prominent role whenever he gets a chance. Is it unfair to ask him to perform like Shaq, Minamino and Curtis?

 

[Modo]

Elliott could have been in that bracket if we played a system to maximise his talent; but we don't. Not too late mind

Not sure what to compare him to tbh

Yeah kinda agree with @keniget here. If he was good enough, Klopp would have made the necessary changes to play to his strengths.

 

[Fabio]

I disagree. Top tier talent either transcend systems or they have systems built around them (see Trent).

I think a system could have been built around Elliott, but we weren't in the position to build around him. So now he's atrophied a bit

 

[Fabio]

Yeah kinda agree with @keniget here. If he was good enough, Klopp would have made the necessary changes to play to his strengths.

I think klopps stubborn as fuck, so I don't think so

 

[Buddha]

He’s only young still. I think he really needs a season making a consistent impact from the bench and starting cup / Europa games. It’ll do him the World of good to play with some relative freedom and reset for a year.

 

[Dreambeliever]

He was the best sub by a country mile last week.
He still has so much to offer and is only 20 ffs.

 

[Judge Jules]

Agree with the last two posts. Elliott's been around for a while so it's easy to forget just how young he is even now.

 

[FreshRed]

What you're saying is true, it is normally at this time a player starts showing his worth.
I'd normally have all the time in the world for a 20 year old player.
Our opinions differ when it comes to his talent. You think he has it in him, I kinda don't. I haven't fully given up on him but I'm getting there.

I wonder what KDB was doing when he was 20?

Oh, yeah, he was playing for Genk, before failing at Chelsea, before playing for Werder Bremen and Wolfsburg, before joining City at 24 and becoming the best player in the league.

Plenty of players do not make their full mark until much later, especially those without freakish physical assets, of which KDB and Harvey are both examples.

 

[Modo]

I wonder what KDB was doing when he was 20?

Oh, yeah, he was playing for Genk, before failing at Chelsea, before playing for Werder Bremen and Wolfsburg, before joining City at 24 and becoming the best player in the league.

Plenty of players do not make their full mark until much later, especially those without freakish physical assets, of which KDB and Harvey are both examples.

There are always exceptions. Hopefully Elliott is one of them. The big difference is that Elliott is at LFC, how is he going to improve if he's not playing? And why should he play if he's not performing at the level required?

 

[Glen C]

I hope Elliott is more involved this season and plays a prominent role whenever he gets a chance. Is it unfair to ask him to perform like Shaq, Minamino and Curtis?

I think that at 20 its a bit unfair. By 22-23 then it wouldn't be unfair.

 

[FreshRed]

There are always exceptions. Hopefully Elliott is one of them. The big difference is that Elliott is at LFC, how is he going to improve if he's not playing? And why should he play if he's not performing at the level required?

I do not think KDB is the exception. When did Salah become great? Kane? Silva? And, so far Elliott has no trouble getting playing time, so that argument does not make much sense.

 

[Modo]

I do not think KDB is the exception. When did Salah become great? Kane? Silva? And, so far Elliott has no trouble getting playing time, so that argument does not make much sense.

Well, has Elliott shown any signs of becoming great?
In my honest opinion no. He's on a squad player trajectory as is

 

[ibromurph]

Eliott's isn't good enough to play in our midfield.

His best role is probably as a sub for Salah at RW.

 

[mwake]

Yes loan is a good idea, long term don't think he's good enough. Doesn't have blistering pace and he isn't mercurial talent wise. I think he be a decent enough player but I don't think hes good enough for our level.
If he was pedri level good this wouldn't be an argument.

 

[binomial]

Eliott's isn't good enough to play in our midfield.

His best role is probably as a sub for Salah at RW.

Not good enough to play for us full stop, certainly not as a regular.

Poor when he came on.

 

[refugee]

We have a small squad and are struggling for academy trained players.

Let's get rid of Harvey.

Brilliant idea.

 

[Buddha]

He’s only young still. I think he really needs a season making a consistent impact from the bench and starting cup / Europa games. It’ll do him the World of good to play with some relative freedom and reset for a year.

To be fair, he was awful today in his 20 mins.

 

[ibromurph]

Not good enough to play for us full stop, certainly not as a regular.

Poor when he came on.

Really should be a league cup player. Certainly not in the first 18.

 

[Modo]

Maybe dumb to base this off so few games, but I think the pressure has got to him. Looks like he wants to impress and the mistakes just makes him take fewer chances. He's holding back.

 

[FreshRed]

Well, has Elliott shown any signs of becoming great?
In my honest opinion no. He's on a squad player trajectory as is

And what trajectory were other player’s on? When VVD went to Celtic was he on a world class trajectory? When KDB was at Genk? Crazy!

I am not saying he is on a world class trajectory or will ever get there, but wayyyy to early to predict. I would be very happy if he turned out to be a solid pro - Mata-line maybe. We will never have world-class in every single position even in starting 11. And he still has potential to become something like that, if he develops the right guile, eg Silva or Gundogan.

 

[Modo]

And what trajectory were other player’s on? When VVD went to Celtic was he on a world class trajectory? When KDB was at Genk? Crazy!

I am not saying he is on a world class trajectory or will ever get there, but wayyyy to early to predict. I would be very happy if he turned out to be a solid pro - Mata-line maybe. We will never have world-class in every single position even in starting 11. And he still has potential to become something like that, if he develops the right guile, eg Silva or Gundogan.

You're saying that he doesn't have world class potential yet you compare him with world class players?
The big difference between Harvey and the players you mentioned is that they were playing 90 mins every week at 20, even before that.
Do you see Elliott playing 90 mins consistently this season? Next season?
So far in his career at LFC Elliott has played around 1970 mins. That's about 22 full games.
And when Thiago and Cujo are back it's gonna mean even less time on the pitch for him.