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Even if the fan did racially abuse a player, why should Liverpool be singled out?
Are we the only club to have racist fans?
Of course not. The only reason this will have legs is because every one knows that the FA together with the help of Horsefucker and our incompetent lawyers have stitched us up, and this bullshit will be used to 'prove' Liverpool is guilty.
Of what I'm not sure yet.
Are we the only club to have racist fans?
Of course not. The only reason this will have legs is because every one knows that the FA together with the help of Horsefucker and our incompetent lawyers have stitched us up, and this bullshit will be used to 'prove' Liverpool is guilty.
Of what I'm not sure yet.
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Even if the fan did racially abuse a player, why should Liverpool be singled out?
Are we the only club to have racist fans?
Of course not. The only reason this will have legs is because every one knows that the FA together with the help of Horsefucker and our incompetent lawyers have stitched us up, and this bullshit will be used to 'prove' Liverpool is guilty.
Of what I'm not sure yet.
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Because it's our turn to be cunts of the month and, to be fair, there were plenty in Anfield last night
Even if the fan did racially abuse a player, why should Liverpool be singled out?
Are we the only club to have racist fans?
Of course not. The only reason this will have legs is because every one knows that the FA together with the help of Horsefucker and our incompetent lawyers have stitched us up, and this bullshit will be used to 'prove' Liverpool is guilty.
Of what I'm not sure yet.
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Because it's our turn to be cunts of the month and, to be fair, there were plenty in Anfield last night
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Because it's our turn to be cunts of the month and, to be fair, there were plenty in Anfield last night
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It's a good thing that Cup games provide an opportunity for people who haven't got season tickets to enjoy the experience of a live match. However, I agree that the results can be a bit irritating as the newcomers don't know the etiquette and judging by the comments, sometimes don't know much about football. I think the guy who shouted out the abuse may be an extreme example of that. Apparently he was wearing a jester hat. :🙂
Because it's our turn to be cunts of the month and, to be fair, there were plenty in Anfield last night
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It's a good thing that Cup games provide an opportunity for people who haven't got season tickets to enjoy the experience of a live match. However, I agree that the results can be a bit irritating as the newcomers don't know the etiquette and judging by the comments, sometimes don't know much about football. I think the guy who shouted out the abuse may be an extreme example of that. Apparently he was wearing a jester hat. :🙂
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[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=48180.msg1458841#msg1458841 date=1325935107]
I'm gutted that we scored 5 goals in a game and can't enjoy the result for what it was.
It's all good and well turning on every journalist that dare direct any criticism LFC's way, but you can't get mad at people for speaking the truth, many of us said the way the club had handles re Suatez situtuaiton could be perceived as them taking racism lightly, clearly some have taken it that way. Even Kenny refusing to comment on it last night, he couldn't have just said IF it was racial he and the club would do all the could to make sure that kind of thing is no where near the club. He's really not handled any of this well, acting aggrieved the whole time and not acknowledging the fallout and implications of what they were doing.
I feel very disappointed and let down by the club.
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I don't think the two subjects should be conflated. Kenny handled it as he should have done last night. The club had already made its policy crystal clear. Nothing more should have been said until the investigation was completed. Any responsible journalist would have appreciated this completely rather than jumping to make knowingly unjustified links with the Suarez case.
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Spot on.
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=48180.msg1458841#msg1458841 date=1325935107]
I'm gutted that we scored 5 goals in a game and can't enjoy the result for what it was.
It's all good and well turning on every journalist that dare direct any criticism LFC's way, but you can't get mad at people for speaking the truth, many of us said the way the club had handles re Suatez situtuaiton could be perceived as them taking racism lightly, clearly some have taken it that way. Even Kenny refusing to comment on it last night, he couldn't have just said IF it was racial he and the club would do all the could to make sure that kind of thing is no where near the club. He's really not handled any of this well, acting aggrieved the whole time and not acknowledging the fallout and implications of what they were doing.
I feel very disappointed and let down by the club.
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I don't think the two subjects should be conflated. Kenny handled it as he should have done last night. The club had already made its policy crystal clear. Nothing more should have been said until the investigation was completed. Any responsible journalist would have appreciated this completely rather than jumping to make knowingly unjustified links with the Suarez case.
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Spot on.
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Personally I'm quite amazed many SCM members, who I suspect have never encountered racism, feel they have the right to tell a victim of it how to react.
It's pretty shocking, frankly.
It's pretty shocking, frankly.
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=48180.msg1458964#msg1458964 date=1325948102]
Personally I'm quite amazed many SCM members, who I suspect have never encountered racism, feel they have the right to tell a victim of it how to react.
It's pretty shocking, frankly.
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Yep, this is the thing that's got me the most over the past few weeks
Personally I'm quite amazed many SCM members, who I suspect have never encountered racism, feel they have the right to tell a victim of it how to react.
It's pretty shocking, frankly.
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Yep, this is the thing that's got me the most over the past few weeks
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[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=48180.msg1458964#msg1458964 date=1325948102]
Personally I'm quite amazed many SCM members, who I suspect have never encountered racism, feel they have the right to tell a victim of it how to react.
It's pretty shocking, frankly.
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Yep, this is the thing that's got me the most over the past few weeks
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Really? I don't think anyone is telling anyone how to react, but questioning a reaction against testimonies of what happened. It's sensationalist to say otherwise.
It's the same thing that the panel engaged in when coming to their conclusion of probability with the Suarez case. They seemed to place a fair amount of emphasis in the report upon linking testimonies to video evidence and looking for correspondences between the two based upon what would likely be an appropriate response. Incidentally, this goes to the heart of the argument that Evra having access to the video evidence four times whilst constructing his testimony (as opposed to Suarez not having acces at all) was bound to make his testimony appear more reliable.
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=48180.msg1458964#msg1458964 date=1325948102]
Personally I'm quite amazed many SCM members, who I suspect have never encountered racism, feel they have the right to tell a victim of it how to react.
It's pretty shocking, frankly.
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Yep, this is the thing that's got me the most over the past few weeks
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Really? I don't think anyone is telling anyone how to react, but questioning a reaction against testimonies of what happened. It's sensationalist to say otherwise.
It's the same thing that the panel engaged in when coming to their conclusion of probability with the Suarez case. They seemed to place a fair amount of emphasis in the report upon linking testimonies to video evidence and looking for correspondences between the two based upon what would likely be an appropriate response. Incidentally, this goes to the heart of the argument that Evra having access to the video evidence four times whilst constructing his testimony (as opposed to Suarez not having acces at all) was bound to make his testimony appear more reliable.
i'm 100% with Woland and Skully just because i think the whole 'debate' (fucking hate that term) needs a bit more humour and sanguineness and a lot fucking fewer sanctimonious, earnest tarts with nothing interesting to say about anything.
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Squiggles
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Nope, he should 'get on with it' because 'racism is to be expected', Atlas.
Brilliant.
Brilliant.
Sad sad thing to see a player on the pitch crying as a result of something our fans did. If they are found to be racist and the police know who they are they should be punished. Even if they are found not guilty they should be ashamed of their actions making a player lose it to that extent. We have a proud reputation as being knowledgeable fans and kind fans, this has massively damaged that reputation.
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=48180.msg1458980#msg1458980 date=1325950171]
Nope, he should 'get on with it' because 'racism is to be expected', Atlas.
Brilliant.
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nope. he should walk around caring what every single person thinks of him.
Nope, he should 'get on with it' because 'racism is to be expected', Atlas.
Brilliant.
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nope. he should walk around caring what every single person thinks of him.
None of this really matters though, the fact is that the club's reputation hasn't been this low in over 25 years.
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None of this really matters though, the fact is that the club's reputation hasn't been this low in over 25 years.
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it's reputation amongst idiots. who gives a shit?
None of this really matters though, the fact is that the club's reputation hasn't been this low in over 25 years.
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it's reputation amongst idiots. who gives a shit?
Advertisers, sponsors, TV companies and the milions of idiots who buy our shitty merchandise.
So no one really except the people who we rely on to remain competitive.
I'd go so far as to say that the fact that idiots are more likely to believe this makes it even worse news than if smart people did, because the club relies on idiots for money.
So no one really except the people who we rely on to remain competitive.
I'd go so far as to say that the fact that idiots are more likely to believe this makes it even worse news than if smart people did, because the club relies on idiots for money.
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=48180.msg1458996#msg1458996 date=1325950929]
Advertisers, sponsors, TV companies and the milions of idiots who buy our shitty merchandise.
So no one really except the people who we rely on to remain competitive.
I'd go so far as to say that the fact that idiots are more likely to believe this makes it even worse news than if smart people did, because the club relies on idiots for money.
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i agree but i still couldn't give a shit.
Advertisers, sponsors, TV companies and the milions of idiots who buy our shitty merchandise.
So no one really except the people who we rely on to remain competitive.
I'd go so far as to say that the fact that idiots are more likely to believe this makes it even worse news than if smart people did, because the club relies on idiots for money.
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i agree but i still couldn't give a shit.
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=48180.msg1458964#msg1458964 date=1325948102]
Personally I'm quite amazed many SCM members, who I suspect have never encountered racism, feel they have the right to tell a victim of it how to react.
It's pretty shocking, frankly.
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I've encountered racism a few times in my life, can't say i've ever been close to crying when it's been from a complete random despite how vitriolic it was. Each to their own I suppose.
Personally I'm quite amazed many SCM members, who I suspect have never encountered racism, feel they have the right to tell a victim of it how to react.
It's pretty shocking, frankly.
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I've encountered racism a few times in my life, can't say i've ever been close to crying when it's been from a complete random despite how vitriolic it was. Each to their own I suppose.
[quote author=Atlas link=topic=48180.msg1458983#msg1458983 date=1325950307]
If it's not a particularly Interesting 'debate/discussion' to you Peter then maybe just don't bother posting?
As it is a number of people seem concerned about what's happening with lfc right now cos it's not looking good at all.
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i didn't say i don't find the 'debate' interesting.
as for our reputation, i find it very far-fetched that we're going to see any commercial impact from it at all.
the people who pay for all our services and products, directly or indirectly, are our fans, and they won't care, and it's not a big enough deal imo to affect the number of fans we have now or in the future.
i'm relaxed about it.
If it's not a particularly Interesting 'debate/discussion' to you Peter then maybe just don't bother posting?
As it is a number of people seem concerned about what's happening with lfc right now cos it's not looking good at all.
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i didn't say i don't find the 'debate' interesting.
as for our reputation, i find it very far-fetched that we're going to see any commercial impact from it at all.
the people who pay for all our services and products, directly or indirectly, are our fans, and they won't care, and it's not a big enough deal imo to affect the number of fans we have now or in the future.
i'm relaxed about it.
[quote author=Atlas link=topic=48180.msg1458998#msg1458998 date=1325950950]
Yup let's bury our heads in the sand and wait till the horrible idiots go away, or maybe address the problems that..... Na head in the sand sounds much more sensible.
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I don't think the club has any problems to address.
Yup let's bury our heads in the sand and wait till the horrible idiots go away, or maybe address the problems that..... Na head in the sand sounds much more sensible.
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I don't think the club has any problems to address.
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[quote author=Atlas link=topic=48180.msg1458998#msg1458998 date=1325950950]
Yup let's bury our heads in the sand and wait till the horrible idiots go away, or maybe address the problems that..... Na head in the sand sounds much more sensible.
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I don't think the club has any problems to address.
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exactly.
we were probably a bit vulgar in some aspects of our response to the suarez affair.
that's it.
[quote author=Atlas link=topic=48180.msg1458998#msg1458998 date=1325950950]
Yup let's bury our heads in the sand and wait till the horrible idiots go away, or maybe address the problems that..... Na head in the sand sounds much more sensible.
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I don't think the club has any problems to address.
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exactly.
we were probably a bit vulgar in some aspects of our response to the suarez affair.
that's it.
You're all mad.
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=48180.msg1459009#msg1459009 date=1325951331]
we were probably a bit vulgar in some aspects of our response to the suarez affair.
that's it.
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I think the statement the club issued in response to the FA committee's publication of its "evidence" was probably a bit too frank. For example, the club said that they believed the FA committee had decided they were going to find Suarez guilty before they had even started - which I am sure is true, but you are not supposed to say that.
we were probably a bit vulgar in some aspects of our response to the suarez affair.
that's it.
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I think the statement the club issued in response to the FA committee's publication of its "evidence" was probably a bit too frank. For example, the club said that they believed the FA committee had decided they were going to find Suarez guilty before they had even started - which I am sure is true, but you are not supposed to say that.
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