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There has been no deal for either of them. You guys fell love with an Armenian you'd not heard of less than 2 months ago (and it looks like we wont get him either). The chances are that we will loose suarez, and the question then becomes; could alonso and gomez make up for suarez? Most people want alonso back and gomez offers something that we've been missing for years and that is a goal poacher.



I'm not sure how if we sell Suarez, the first question we ask is is Mario Gomez and Xabi can replace him.

I'm not a big fan of Gomez, and while he does score goals at a good rate, it feels like every single one was as flukey as they come. There are sexier names out there, who would be priced competitively and be better fits.
 
Every goal poacher looks as though his lucky. As long he delivers consistently does it matter that he cant get pass 6 players
 
I'm not sure how if we sell Suarez, the first question we ask is is Mario Gomez and Xabi can replace him.

I'm not a big fan of Gomez, and while he does score goals at a good rate, it feels like every single one was as flukey as they come. There are sexier names out there, who would be priced competitively and be better fits.

I'm not Gomez' biggest fan either as it happens, but whom else do you have in mind? Not trying to be sarky, genuine question.
 
In all fairness Alonso would be a luxury signing. I'm not convinced that Gerrard has the legs to play behind the strikers.
Signing Alonso would effectively mean that he's in direct competition with Gerrard or that they'll be paired up in midfield and I'm not convinced they do a good enough job protecting the back line. It's a gamble imo. Then again I'm not so sure about Lucas either.
 
He's more likely to have the legs to play behind the strikers than play where he currently plays. As it happens I don't think there's much reason to doubt he he the legs to play there, either. What he certainly has in abundance is intelligence on the pitch, which will prove more and more crucial as time goes on.
 
I'm not Gomez' biggest fan either as it happens, but whom else do you have in mind? Not trying to be sarky, genuine question.


Could always blow the bank on a player like Lukaku/Muriel/Benteke/Jovetic, go for a mid tier option like Lacina Traore/Bony/Arnautovic/Altidore/Derdiyok or look for cheap veteran production from an experienced player like Fred/Klose/Bent. I like all of these better in terms of production versus cost better than Gomez.
 
He's more likely to have the legs to play behind the strikers than play where he currently plays. As it happens I don't think there's much reason to doubt he he the legs to play there, either. What he certainly has in abundance is intelligence on the pitch, which will prove more and more crucial as time goes on.
Yes but on current form/skill or whatever I'd rather see Coutinho play in that position.
That would mean relegating Lucas to the bench and pairing Alonso and Gerrard in the middle.
 
In all fairness Alonso would be a luxury signing. I'm not convinced that Gerrard has the legs to play behind the strikers.
Signing Alonso would effectively mean that he's in direct competition with Gerrard or that they'll be paired up in midfield and I'm not convinced they do a good enough job protecting the back line. It's a gamble imo. Then again I'm not so sure about Lucas either.

He'd compete with Lucas and not Gerrard.
 
Well, yes, so would I, but that's another question.

I envisioned a midfield trio that consists of Lucas, Gerrard and Alonso but that would force Coutinho out on the wing. Hence why I mentioned him.

Anyway, if we do go after Alonso we need to let go of either Lucas, Allan or Henderson. Can't have all three of them on the bench.
 
I envisioned a midfield trio that consists of Lucas, Gerrard and Alonso but that would force Coutinho out on the wing. Hence why I mentioned him.

Anyway, if we do go after Alonso we need to let go of either Lucas, Allan or Henderson. Can't have all three of them on the bench.


Coutinho plays where we typically start a winger, so there's probably a spot for Allen/Henderson/LAR to rotate and win. Lucas is probably worth keeping just because we are so low on options in deep MFs. IF we get Alonso...
Sturridge/Suarez/Borini​
Coutinho/Sterling/Borini-----LAR/Suarez/Hendo------Aspas/Downing/Sturridge​
Gerrard/Hendo/Allen-----Xabi/Lucas/Allen​
Enrique/Johnson-----Skrtel/Kolo-----Agger/Coates-----Johnson/Kelly/Wisdom​
Mignolet/Reina/Jones​
After all, we do need another deep lying MF anyways.​
 
Coutinho plays where we typically start a winger, so there's probably a spot for Allen/Henderson/LAR to rotate and win. Lucas is probably worth keeping just because we are so low on options in deep MFs. IF we get Alonso...
Sturridge/Suarez/Borini​
Coutinho/Sterling/Borini-----LAR/Coutinho/Suarez/Hendo------Aspas/Downing/Sturridge​
Gerrard/Hendo/Allen-----Xabi/Lucas/Allen/Henderson
Enrique/Johnson-----Skrtel/Kolo-----Agger/Coates-----Johnson/Kelly/Wisdom​
Mignolet/Reina/Jones​
After all, we do need another deep lying MF anyways.


I've highlighted some of the issues I have with those line ups.

I rate Allen, but he's terrible in that defensive role. However Henderson would probably do a decent job in that role, since that's where he usually plays for the u21s.

Coutinho doesn't always start off on the left. Towards the end of the season he was playing in the middle. Downing was on the right and Henderson was more to the left, Ibe played in that position in our last game against QPR. We saw how devastating Coutinho can be while playing in that number 10 role.
Also, Henderson should never be deployed in that position.
 
I've highlighted some of the issues I with those line ups.

I rate Allen, but he terrible in that defensive role. However Henderson would probably do a decent job in that role, since that's where he usually plays for the u21s.

Coutinho doesn't always start off on the left. Towards the end of the season he was playing in the middle. Downing was on the right and Henderson was more to the left, Ibe played in that position in our last game against QPR. We saw how devastating Coutinho can be while laying in that number 10 role.
Also, Henderson should never be deployed in that position.


Allen isn't at his best in that defensive role, but at this point he's still our second best DM, and if Xabi comes in, he's still our third best DM. Hendo is good starting in a deeper role, but him propensity to make runs could have us getting burned on the counter when paired with another runner like Gerrard.

Coutinho doesn't always start on the left, so I suppose your could swap him and LAR, but I would be surprised to see him playing centrally ahead of a few of those names given how effective he's been on the left. Coutinho plays more centrally than a prototypical winger allowing him to pick a pass, but barring injuries in the center or a major signing, he will continue to play on the left. If Henderson is playing in the role, which I do believe he is capable of, he will probably be expected to drop deeper and linkup with the front line rather than contribute directly, which is something he can do. Would probably be more of a 4-3-3 if he is deployed in that role, with more devoted attacking players in the same squad.

Again, this is just me mocking up a rough squad in about 5 minutes. Don't read too far into it, but my point is that depth isn't a bad thing. Expect for at least 1-2 of our MFs to get injured or dramatically lose form, and we are spot on with our squad.
 
Allen isn't at his best in that defensive role, but at this point he's still our second best DM, and if Xabi comes in, he's still our third best DM. Hendo is good starting in a deeper role, but him propensity to make runs could have us getting burned on the counter when paired with another runner like Gerrard.

Coutinho doesn't always start on the left, so I suppose your could swap him and LAR, but I would be surprised to see him playing centrally ahead of a few of those names given how effective he's been on the left. Coutinho plays more centrally than a prototypical winger allowing him to pick a pass, but barring injuries in the center or a major signing, he will continue to play on the left. If Henderson is playing in the role, which I do believe he is capable of, he will probably be expected to drop deeper and linkup with the front line rather than contribute directly, which is something he can do. Would probably be more of a 4-3-3 if he is deployed in that role, with more devoted attacking players in the same squad.

Again, this is just me mocking up a rough squad in about 5 minutes. Don't read too far into it, but my point is that depth isn't a bad thing. Expect for at least 1-2 of our MFs to get injured or dramatically lose form, and we are spot on with our squad.


That's fair I guess but considering that we're not playing in Europe, I don't think we need such a big squad.
Here's what Brendan had to say about the size of the squad:

“I don’t want a massive group, we want a tight group with a real core of 17 or 18 players who feel they should always be playing and then supported by a few of our top young talents.”

I presume that the top talents he's talking about are Suso, Wisdom, Sterling, Alberto and maybe Ibe.
So, considering what he said, the squad is already too big
 
Coutinho plays where we typically start a winger, so there's probably a spot for Allen/Henderson/LAR to rotate and win. Lucas is probably worth keeping just because we are so low on options in deep MFs. IF we get Alonso...
Sturridge/Suarez/Borini​
Coutinho/Sterling/Borini-----LAR/Suarez/Hendo------Aspas/Downing/Sturridge​
Gerrard/Hendo/Allen-----Xabi/Lucas/Allen​
Enrique/Johnson-----Skrtel/Kolo-----Agger/Coates-----Johnson/Kelly/Wisdom​
Mignolet/Reina/Jones​
After all, we do need another deep lying MF anyways.


That right there has got to be the most pointless post of all time.
 
I can't believe this thread has gone on for a long as it has....... Oh wait I just posted in it........ *slaps head*
 
I'd just like to add, I have no idea who we are buying or selling and I also don't have a clue how good any of these players we are being linked with are. Also, nothing we say or do can change the fact we have absolutely no say in what we do, who we buy, or whether once we've bought them they will be a success.
Might as well turn off the internet until the 1st of September then find out what's happened. Everyone would be a lot calmer I reckon.
 
BBC Sport UK@BBCSportUK
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Bayern's Gomez to join Fiorentina: Bayern Munich striker Mario Gomez is to leave the Champions League winners ... http://bbc.in/1aSwGCr

http://as.com/diarioas/2013/07/08/english/1373292523_255529.html

REAL MADRID | XABI ALONSO

Xabi Alonso: "Return to the Premier League? No chance "

Real Madrid's midfielder denied That there was even a remote chance of him returning to England amid rumors of interest from Liverpool and Chelsea.

July 8, 2013 16:08 h
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Xabi Alonso pictured in training this week.

Real Madrid midfielder Xabi Alonso has denied That there is even a remote chance of him returning to England. The player has been linked with a return to the Premier League with Both Liverpool and Chelsea as possible destinations.
"The Premier League? No "was the player's short, blunt response When Asked Whether He Might Consider a move to his former club or to join Jose Mourinho at Chelsea. "No way, no chance," was all that Xabi added after being pestered by journalists on Monday.
Rumours That Xabi is looking to move on Have Been circulating for some time. The player, Whose contract expires in June 2014, has yet to discuss new terms with real Madrid and the equity side's capture of Asier Illarramendi That has only fueled gossip the Basque midfielder will leave on a free transfer at the end of the season.
 
I'd just like to add, I have no idea who we are buying or selling and I also don't have a clue how good any of these players we are being linked with are. Also, nothing we say or do can change the fact we have absolutely no say in what we do, who we buy, or whether once we've bought them they will be a success.
Might as well turn off the internet until the 1st of September then find out what's happened. Everyone would be a lot calmer I reckon.


You are wrong. BR and his scouting team pay very close attention to what we post. With out 6CM posters he would not have signed the likes Courtinho and sturridge. Now you see why people get upset!😉
 
BBC Sport UK@BBCSportUK
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Bayern's Gomez to join Fiorentina: Bayern Munich striker Mario Gomez is to leave the Champions League winners ... http://bbc.in/1aSwGCr

http://as.com/diarioas/2013/07/08/english/1373292523_255529.html

REAL MADRID | XABI ALONSO

Xabi Alonso: "Return to the Premier League? No chance "

Real Madrid's midfielder denied That there was even a remote chance of him returning to England amid rumors of interest from Liverpool and Chelsea.

July 8, 2013 16:08 h
1373292523_255529_1373292584_noticia_normal.jpg
Xabi Alonso pictured in training this week.

Real Madrid midfielder Xabi Alonso has denied That there is even a remote chance of him returning to England. The player has been linked with a return to the Premier League with Both Liverpool and Chelsea as possible destinations.
"The Premier League? No "was the player's short, blunt response When Asked Whether He Might Consider a move to his former club or to join Jose Mourinho at Chelsea. "No way, no chance," was all that Xabi added after being pestered by journalists on Monday.
Rumours That Xabi is looking to move on Have Been circulating for some time. The player, Whose contract expires in June 2014, has yet to discuss new terms with real Madrid and the equity side's capture of Asier Illarramendi That has only fueled gossip the Basque midfielder will leave on a free transfer at the end of the season.


Fuck themn both!
 
You are wrong. BR and his scouting team pay very close attention to what we post. With out 6CM posters he would not have signed the likes Courtinho and sturridge. Now you see why people get upset!😉
Ah I see. In that case, if you are reading this BR, I'd like you to sign players who are both loyal and world class and don't mind we're not in europe of challenging for the title.
 
Mario Gomez reveals why he pushed through a transfer from Bayern Munich to Fiorentina. “They play such great football.”

The striker is fresh from winning the Champions League and Bundesliga, but turned down other offers for today’s €16m move.

“I have contrasting emotions, as I am leaving the strongest team in the world and cannot hide a certain nostalgia,” Gomez told the official Bayern channel.

“I love football and wanted to play more, which is why I decided to leave. The contact with Fiorentina started some time ago and I was immediately struck by their very ambitious project.

“I preferred Italy to Spain and Fiorentina really impressed me. The Viola play such great football, I can’t wait to start.
 
BBC Sport UK@BBCSportUK
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Bayern's Gomez to join Fiorentina: Bayern Munich striker Mario Gomez is to leave the Champions League winners ... http://bbc.in/1aSwGCr

http://as.com/diarioas/2013/07/08/english/1373292523_255529.html

REAL MADRID | XABI ALONSO

Xabi Alonso: "Return to the Premier League? No chance "

Real Madrid's midfielder denied That there was even a remote chance of him returning to England amid rumors of interest from Liverpool and Chelsea.

July 8, 2013 16:08 h
1373292523_255529_1373292584_noticia_normal.jpg
Xabi Alonso pictured in training this week.

Real Madrid midfielder Xabi Alonso has denied That there is even a remote chance of him returning to England. The player has been linked with a return to the Premier League with Both Liverpool and Chelsea as possible destinations.
"The Premier League? No "was the player's short, blunt response When Asked Whether He Might Consider a move to his former club or to join Jose Mourinho at Chelsea. "No way, no chance," was all that Xabi added after being pestered by journalists on Monday.
Rumours That Xabi is looking to move on Have Been circulating for some time. The player, Whose contract expires in June 2014, has yet to discuss new terms with real Madrid and the equity side's capture of Asier Illarramendi That has only fueled gossip the Basque midfielder will leave on a free transfer at the end of the season.

He's said never before and still changed his mind. Not arsed to tell you the truth, he's had his time here.
 
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