Gerrards in trouble
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[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=34836.msg910194#msg910194 date=1248261652]
Gerrard will have the best barrister money can buy, forensic minds. these guys are ruthless and will destroy the opposition.
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Agreed, I bet they can even make it seem like Gerrard was raped by this McGee fella.
Gerrard will have the best barrister money can buy, forensic minds. these guys are ruthless and will destroy the opposition.
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Agreed, I bet they can even make it seem like Gerrard was raped by this McGee fella.
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=34836.msg910225#msg910225 date=1248265485]
It sounds so hopeless I'm absolutely amazed it ever reached court.
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I hope you're right, but you never know how these things are going to go and who they are going to chose to make an example of.
It sounds so hopeless I'm absolutely amazed it ever reached court.
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I hope you're right, but you never know how these things are going to go and who they are going to chose to make an example of.
Prosecution introduces new evidence in Gerrard case:
M'lud, and ladies and gentlemen of the jury, please note Exhibit B:
As you can very clearly, nay, painfully, nay, er, clearly see, Mr Gerrard's moment of arrogance, which he displayed with all the smug elan of an Olympic gold medalist ice skater after executing a perfect camel spin and choctaw, captured for posterity when a lightning bolt struck a nearby mirror, causing the image to 'bounce' across the room and burn itself on this piece of toast, which had just popped up ready for consumption of Mr Bernard Fandangle of Arnott Road in Preston. If you study it closely, you will see the evil flying out of Mr Gerrard like the most dextrous of devils, screaming from every crumb his bitter desire to kill or do worse to my poor client. Please, ladies and gentlemen, do not make me have to inflict upon you the horror of Exhibit C - the Huyton Shroud. Please just denounce this horrible man immediately. I thank you.
M'lud, and ladies and gentlemen of the jury, please note Exhibit B:
As you can very clearly, nay, painfully, nay, er, clearly see, Mr Gerrard's moment of arrogance, which he displayed with all the smug elan of an Olympic gold medalist ice skater after executing a perfect camel spin and choctaw, captured for posterity when a lightning bolt struck a nearby mirror, causing the image to 'bounce' across the room and burn itself on this piece of toast, which had just popped up ready for consumption of Mr Bernard Fandangle of Arnott Road in Preston. If you study it closely, you will see the evil flying out of Mr Gerrard like the most dextrous of devils, screaming from every crumb his bitter desire to kill or do worse to my poor client. Please, ladies and gentlemen, do not make me have to inflict upon you the horror of Exhibit C - the Huyton Shroud. Please just denounce this horrible man immediately. I thank you.
[quote author=Anita link=topic=34836.msg910244#msg910244 date=1248266961]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=34836.msg910225#msg910225 date=1248265485]
It sounds so hopeless I'm absolutely amazed it ever reached court.
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I hope you're right, but you never know how these things are going to go and who they are going to chose to make an example of.
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Thats my only worry, thats they try to make an example of him. This incident would never have got this far if it wasn't for Gerrard being in the equation. I've seen people doing worse than this in the school playground.
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=34836.msg910225#msg910225 date=1248265485]
It sounds so hopeless I'm absolutely amazed it ever reached court.
[/quote]
I hope you're right, but you never know how these things are going to go and who they are going to chose to make an example of.
[/quote]
Thats my only worry, thats they try to make an example of him. This incident would never have got this far if it wasn't for Gerrard being in the equation. I've seen people doing worse than this in the school playground.
[quote author=Mystic link=topic=34836.msg910247#msg910247 date=1248267113]
[quote author=Anita link=topic=34836.msg910244#msg910244 date=1248266961]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=34836.msg910225#msg910225 date=1248265485]
It sounds so hopeless I'm absolutely amazed it ever reached court.
[/quote]
I hope you're right, but you never know how these things are going to go and who they are going to chose to make an example of.
[/quote]
Thats my only worry, thats they try to make an example of him. This incident would never have got this far if it wasn't for Gerrard being in the equation. I've seen people doing worse than this in the school playground.
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Yes, it would. I was involved in a similar case. You can't hit someone and expect to escape a charge. An affray charge can also cover a verbal threat or similar so its not like he's just scraping a court case.
Affray is not as serious as assualt. Barton was charged with both.
But to say this is only in court due to it being Gerrard involved is dead wrong.
[quote author=Anita link=topic=34836.msg910244#msg910244 date=1248266961]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=34836.msg910225#msg910225 date=1248265485]
It sounds so hopeless I'm absolutely amazed it ever reached court.
[/quote]
I hope you're right, but you never know how these things are going to go and who they are going to chose to make an example of.
[/quote]
Thats my only worry, thats they try to make an example of him. This incident would never have got this far if it wasn't for Gerrard being in the equation. I've seen people doing worse than this in the school playground.
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Yes, it would. I was involved in a similar case. You can't hit someone and expect to escape a charge. An affray charge can also cover a verbal threat or similar so its not like he's just scraping a court case.
Affray is not as serious as assualt. Barton was charged with both.
But to say this is only in court due to it being Gerrard involved is dead wrong.
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=34836.msg910284#msg910284 date=1248269688]
[quote author=Mystic link=topic=34836.msg910247#msg910247 date=1248267113]
[quote author=Anita link=topic=34836.msg910244#msg910244 date=1248266961]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=34836.msg910225#msg910225 date=1248265485]
It sounds so hopeless I'm absolutely amazed it ever reached court.
[/quote]
I hope you're right, but you never know how these things are going to go and who they are going to chose to make an example of.
[/quote]
Thats my only worry, thats they try to make an example of him. This incident would never have got this far if it wasn't for Gerrard being in the equation. I've seen people doing worse than this in the school playground.
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Yes, it would. I was involved in a similar case. You can't hit someone and expect to escape a charge. An affray charge can also cover a verbal threat or similar so its not like he's just scraping a court case.
Affray is not as serious as assualt. Barton was charged with both.
But to say this is only in court due to it being Gerrard involved is dead wrong.
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Its true to say that its not because its Gerrard that its got this far in a legal sense. This kind of thing will tend to go to court.
However its also fair to wonder whether, had it NOT been Steven Gerrard, the complainant would have taken it as far as he has. If you had a scuffle in a bar with some random, you might be tempted to leave it. If one of the people was famous and it opened the door to all kinds of publicity and eventual compensation then you might consider it more worth your while
[quote author=Mystic link=topic=34836.msg910247#msg910247 date=1248267113]
[quote author=Anita link=topic=34836.msg910244#msg910244 date=1248266961]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=34836.msg910225#msg910225 date=1248265485]
It sounds so hopeless I'm absolutely amazed it ever reached court.
[/quote]
I hope you're right, but you never know how these things are going to go and who they are going to chose to make an example of.
[/quote]
Thats my only worry, thats they try to make an example of him. This incident would never have got this far if it wasn't for Gerrard being in the equation. I've seen people doing worse than this in the school playground.
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Yes, it would. I was involved in a similar case. You can't hit someone and expect to escape a charge. An affray charge can also cover a verbal threat or similar so its not like he's just scraping a court case.
Affray is not as serious as assualt. Barton was charged with both.
But to say this is only in court due to it being Gerrard involved is dead wrong.
[/quote]
Its true to say that its not because its Gerrard that its got this far in a legal sense. This kind of thing will tend to go to court.
However its also fair to wonder whether, had it NOT been Steven Gerrard, the complainant would have taken it as far as he has. If you had a scuffle in a bar with some random, you might be tempted to leave it. If one of the people was famous and it opened the door to all kinds of publicity and eventual compensation then you might consider it more worth your while
[quote author=Richey link=topic=34836.msg910311#msg910311 date=1248270446]
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=34836.msg910284#msg910284 date=1248269688]
[quote author=Mystic link=topic=34836.msg910247#msg910247 date=1248267113]
[quote author=Anita link=topic=34836.msg910244#msg910244 date=1248266961]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=34836.msg910225#msg910225 date=1248265485]
It sounds so hopeless I'm absolutely amazed it ever reached court.
[/quote]
I hope you're right, but you never know how these things are going to go and who they are going to chose to make an example of.
[/quote]
Thats my only worry, thats they try to make an example of him. This incident would never have got this far if it wasn't for Gerrard being in the equation. I've seen people doing worse than this in the school playground.
[/quote]
Yes, it would. I was involved in a similar case. You can't hit someone and expect to escape a charge. An affray charge can also cover a verbal threat or similar so its not like he's just scraping a court case.
Affray is not as serious as assualt. Barton was charged with both.
But to say this is only in court due to it being Gerrard involved is dead wrong.
[/quote]
Its true to say that its not because its Gerrard that its got this far in a legal sense. This kind of thing will tend to go to court.
However its also fair to wonder whether, had it NOT been Steven Gerrard, the complainant would have taken it as far as he has. If you had a scuffle in a bar with some random, you might be tempted to leave it. If one of the people was famous and it opened the door to all kinds of publicity and eventual compensation then you might consider it more worth your while
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If you're stupid enough to do it in front of witnesses and CCTV and the Police are called then, presumably, you could be charged by the CPS, regardless of the wishes of the random.
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=34836.msg910284#msg910284 date=1248269688]
[quote author=Mystic link=topic=34836.msg910247#msg910247 date=1248267113]
[quote author=Anita link=topic=34836.msg910244#msg910244 date=1248266961]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=34836.msg910225#msg910225 date=1248265485]
It sounds so hopeless I'm absolutely amazed it ever reached court.
[/quote]
I hope you're right, but you never know how these things are going to go and who they are going to chose to make an example of.
[/quote]
Thats my only worry, thats they try to make an example of him. This incident would never have got this far if it wasn't for Gerrard being in the equation. I've seen people doing worse than this in the school playground.
[/quote]
Yes, it would. I was involved in a similar case. You can't hit someone and expect to escape a charge. An affray charge can also cover a verbal threat or similar so its not like he's just scraping a court case.
Affray is not as serious as assualt. Barton was charged with both.
But to say this is only in court due to it being Gerrard involved is dead wrong.
[/quote]
Its true to say that its not because its Gerrard that its got this far in a legal sense. This kind of thing will tend to go to court.
However its also fair to wonder whether, had it NOT been Steven Gerrard, the complainant would have taken it as far as he has. If you had a scuffle in a bar with some random, you might be tempted to leave it. If one of the people was famous and it opened the door to all kinds of publicity and eventual compensation then you might consider it more worth your while
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If you're stupid enough to do it in front of witnesses and CCTV and the Police are called then, presumably, you could be charged by the CPS, regardless of the wishes of the random.
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=34836.msg910246#msg910246 date=1248267067]
Prosecution introduces new evidence in Gerrard case:
M'lud, and ladies and gentlemen of the jury, please note Exhibit B:
As you can very clearly, nay, painfully, nay, er, clearly see, Mr Gerrard's moment of arrogance, which he displayed with all the smug elan of an Olympic gold medalist ice skater after executing a perfect camel spin and choctaw, captured for posterity when a lightning bolt struck a nearby mirror, causing the image to 'bounce' across the room and burn itself on this piece of toast, which had just popped up ready for consumption of Mr Bernard Fandangle of Arnott Road in Preston. If you study it closely, you will see the evil flying out of Mr Gerrard like the most dextrous of devils, screaming from every crumb his bitter desire to kill or do worse to my poor client. Please, ladies and gentlemen, do not make me have to inflict upon you the horror of Exhibit C - the Huyton Shroud. Please just denounce this horrible man immediately. I thank you.
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Well up to your usual high standard there, compadre. ;D
Prosecution introduces new evidence in Gerrard case:
M'lud, and ladies and gentlemen of the jury, please note Exhibit B:
As you can very clearly, nay, painfully, nay, er, clearly see, Mr Gerrard's moment of arrogance, which he displayed with all the smug elan of an Olympic gold medalist ice skater after executing a perfect camel spin and choctaw, captured for posterity when a lightning bolt struck a nearby mirror, causing the image to 'bounce' across the room and burn itself on this piece of toast, which had just popped up ready for consumption of Mr Bernard Fandangle of Arnott Road in Preston. If you study it closely, you will see the evil flying out of Mr Gerrard like the most dextrous of devils, screaming from every crumb his bitter desire to kill or do worse to my poor client. Please, ladies and gentlemen, do not make me have to inflict upon you the horror of Exhibit C - the Huyton Shroud. Please just denounce this horrible man immediately. I thank you.
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Well up to your usual high standard there, compadre. ;D
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=34836.msg910321#msg910321 date=1248270659]
[quote author=Richey link=topic=34836.msg910311#msg910311 date=1248270446]
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=34836.msg910284#msg910284 date=1248269688]
[quote author=Mystic link=topic=34836.msg910247#msg910247 date=1248267113]
[quote author=Anita link=topic=34836.msg910244#msg910244 date=1248266961]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=34836.msg910225#msg910225 date=1248265485]
It sounds so hopeless I'm absolutely amazed it ever reached court.
[/quote]
I hope you're right, but you never know how these things are going to go and who they are going to chose to make an example of.
[/quote]
Thats my only worry, thats they try to make an example of him. This incident would never have got this far if it wasn't for Gerrard being in the equation. I've seen people doing worse than this in the school playground.
[/quote]
Yes, it would. I was involved in a similar case. You can't hit someone and expect to escape a charge. An affray charge can also cover a verbal threat or similar so its not like he's just scraping a court case.
Affray is not as serious as assualt. Barton was charged with both.
But to say this is only in court due to it being Gerrard involved is dead wrong.
[/quote]
Its true to say that its not because its Gerrard that its got this far in a legal sense. This kind of thing will tend to go to court.
However its also fair to wonder whether, had it NOT been Steven Gerrard, the complainant would have taken it as far as he has. If you had a scuffle in a bar with some random, you might be tempted to leave it. If one of the people was famous and it opened the door to all kinds of publicity and eventual compensation then you might consider it more worth your while
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If you're stupid enough to do it in front of witnesses and CCTV and the Police are called then, presumably, you could be charged by the CPS, regardless of the wishes of the random.
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Unlikely really though. For one, if the victim does not make a complaint the police would never be aware. Bars are certainly not in the habit of calling the police in as this affects their licence when renewal time comes up. Also, even if the police do find out and do investigate then without a statement from the victim it probably won't get through the CPS even if the police do press charges.
[quote author=Richey link=topic=34836.msg910311#msg910311 date=1248270446]
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=34836.msg910284#msg910284 date=1248269688]
[quote author=Mystic link=topic=34836.msg910247#msg910247 date=1248267113]
[quote author=Anita link=topic=34836.msg910244#msg910244 date=1248266961]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=34836.msg910225#msg910225 date=1248265485]
It sounds so hopeless I'm absolutely amazed it ever reached court.
[/quote]
I hope you're right, but you never know how these things are going to go and who they are going to chose to make an example of.
[/quote]
Thats my only worry, thats they try to make an example of him. This incident would never have got this far if it wasn't for Gerrard being in the equation. I've seen people doing worse than this in the school playground.
[/quote]
Yes, it would. I was involved in a similar case. You can't hit someone and expect to escape a charge. An affray charge can also cover a verbal threat or similar so its not like he's just scraping a court case.
Affray is not as serious as assualt. Barton was charged with both.
But to say this is only in court due to it being Gerrard involved is dead wrong.
[/quote]
Its true to say that its not because its Gerrard that its got this far in a legal sense. This kind of thing will tend to go to court.
However its also fair to wonder whether, had it NOT been Steven Gerrard, the complainant would have taken it as far as he has. If you had a scuffle in a bar with some random, you might be tempted to leave it. If one of the people was famous and it opened the door to all kinds of publicity and eventual compensation then you might consider it more worth your while
[/quote]
If you're stupid enough to do it in front of witnesses and CCTV and the Police are called then, presumably, you could be charged by the CPS, regardless of the wishes of the random.
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Unlikely really though. For one, if the victim does not make a complaint the police would never be aware. Bars are certainly not in the habit of calling the police in as this affects their licence when renewal time comes up. Also, even if the police do find out and do investigate then without a statement from the victim it probably won't get through the CPS even if the police do press charges.
[quote author=Richey link=topic=34836.msg910351#msg910351 date=1248272362]
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=34836.msg910321#msg910321 date=1248270659]
[quote author=Richey link=topic=34836.msg910311#msg910311 date=1248270446]
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=34836.msg910284#msg910284 date=1248269688]
[quote author=Mystic link=topic=34836.msg910247#msg910247 date=1248267113]
[quote author=Anita link=topic=34836.msg910244#msg910244 date=1248266961]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=34836.msg910225#msg910225 date=1248265485]
It sounds so hopeless I'm absolutely amazed it ever reached court.
[/quote]
I hope you're right, but you never know how these things are going to go and who they are going to chose to make an example of.
[/quote]
Thats my only worry, thats they try to make an example of him. This incident would never have got this far if it wasn't for Gerrard being in the equation. I've seen people doing worse than this in the school playground.
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Yes, it would. I was involved in a similar case. You can't hit someone and expect to escape a charge. An affray charge can also cover a verbal threat or similar so its not like he's just scraping a court case.
Affray is not as serious as assualt. Barton was charged with both.
But to say this is only in court due to it being Gerrard involved is dead wrong.
[/quote]
Its true to say that its not because its Gerrard that its got this far in a legal sense. This kind of thing will tend to go to court.
However its also fair to wonder whether, had it NOT been Steven Gerrard, the complainant would have taken it as far as he has. If you had a scuffle in a bar with some random, you might be tempted to leave it. If one of the people was famous and it opened the door to all kinds of publicity and eventual compensation then you might consider it more worth your while
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If you're stupid enough to do it in front of witnesses and CCTV and the Police are called then, presumably, you could be charged by the CPS, regardless of the wishes of the random.
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Unlikely really though. For one, if the victim does not make a complaint the police would never be aware. Bars are certainly not in the habit of calling the police in as this affects their licence when renewal time comes up. Also, even if the police do find out and do investigate then without a statement from the victim it probably won't get through the CPS even if the police do press charges.
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I've seen plenty of fights in bars where a member of staff has called the police.
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=34836.msg910321#msg910321 date=1248270659]
[quote author=Richey link=topic=34836.msg910311#msg910311 date=1248270446]
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=34836.msg910284#msg910284 date=1248269688]
[quote author=Mystic link=topic=34836.msg910247#msg910247 date=1248267113]
[quote author=Anita link=topic=34836.msg910244#msg910244 date=1248266961]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=34836.msg910225#msg910225 date=1248265485]
It sounds so hopeless I'm absolutely amazed it ever reached court.
[/quote]
I hope you're right, but you never know how these things are going to go and who they are going to chose to make an example of.
[/quote]
Thats my only worry, thats they try to make an example of him. This incident would never have got this far if it wasn't for Gerrard being in the equation. I've seen people doing worse than this in the school playground.
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Yes, it would. I was involved in a similar case. You can't hit someone and expect to escape a charge. An affray charge can also cover a verbal threat or similar so its not like he's just scraping a court case.
Affray is not as serious as assualt. Barton was charged with both.
But to say this is only in court due to it being Gerrard involved is dead wrong.
[/quote]
Its true to say that its not because its Gerrard that its got this far in a legal sense. This kind of thing will tend to go to court.
However its also fair to wonder whether, had it NOT been Steven Gerrard, the complainant would have taken it as far as he has. If you had a scuffle in a bar with some random, you might be tempted to leave it. If one of the people was famous and it opened the door to all kinds of publicity and eventual compensation then you might consider it more worth your while
[/quote]
If you're stupid enough to do it in front of witnesses and CCTV and the Police are called then, presumably, you could be charged by the CPS, regardless of the wishes of the random.
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Unlikely really though. For one, if the victim does not make a complaint the police would never be aware. Bars are certainly not in the habit of calling the police in as this affects their licence when renewal time comes up. Also, even if the police do find out and do investigate then without a statement from the victim it probably won't get through the CPS even if the police do press charges.
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I've seen plenty of fights in bars where a member of staff has called the police.
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=34836.msg910353#msg910353 date=1248272500]
[quote author=Richey link=topic=34836.msg910351#msg910351 date=1248272362]
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=34836.msg910321#msg910321 date=1248270659]
[quote author=Richey link=topic=34836.msg910311#msg910311 date=1248270446]
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=34836.msg910284#msg910284 date=1248269688]
[quote author=Mystic link=topic=34836.msg910247#msg910247 date=1248267113]
[quote author=Anita link=topic=34836.msg910244#msg910244 date=1248266961]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=34836.msg910225#msg910225 date=1248265485]
It sounds so hopeless I'm absolutely amazed it ever reached court.
[/quote]
I hope you're right, but you never know how these things are going to go and who they are going to chose to make an example of.
[/quote]
Thats my only worry, thats they try to make an example of him. This incident would never have got this far if it wasn't for Gerrard being in the equation. I've seen people doing worse than this in the school playground.
[/quote]
Yes, it would. I was involved in a similar case. You can't hit someone and expect to escape a charge. An affray charge can also cover a verbal threat or similar so its not like he's just scraping a court case.
Affray is not as serious as assualt. Barton was charged with both.
But to say this is only in court due to it being Gerrard involved is dead wrong.
[/quote]
Its true to say that its not because its Gerrard that its got this far in a legal sense. This kind of thing will tend to go to court.
However its also fair to wonder whether, had it NOT been Steven Gerrard, the complainant would have taken it as far as he has. If you had a scuffle in a bar with some random, you might be tempted to leave it. If one of the people was famous and it opened the door to all kinds of publicity and eventual compensation then you might consider it more worth your while
[/quote]
If you're stupid enough to do it in front of witnesses and CCTV and the Police are called then, presumably, you could be charged by the CPS, regardless of the wishes of the random.
[/quote]
Unlikely really though. For one, if the victim does not make a complaint the police would never be aware. Bars are certainly not in the habit of calling the police in as this affects their licence when renewal time comes up. Also, even if the police do find out and do investigate then without a statement from the victim it probably won't get through the CPS even if the police do press charges.
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I've seen plenty of fights in bars and called the police.
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[quote author=Richey link=topic=34836.msg910351#msg910351 date=1248272362]
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=34836.msg910321#msg910321 date=1248270659]
[quote author=Richey link=topic=34836.msg910311#msg910311 date=1248270446]
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=34836.msg910284#msg910284 date=1248269688]
[quote author=Mystic link=topic=34836.msg910247#msg910247 date=1248267113]
[quote author=Anita link=topic=34836.msg910244#msg910244 date=1248266961]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=34836.msg910225#msg910225 date=1248265485]
It sounds so hopeless I'm absolutely amazed it ever reached court.
[/quote]
I hope you're right, but you never know how these things are going to go and who they are going to chose to make an example of.
[/quote]
Thats my only worry, thats they try to make an example of him. This incident would never have got this far if it wasn't for Gerrard being in the equation. I've seen people doing worse than this in the school playground.
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Yes, it would. I was involved in a similar case. You can't hit someone and expect to escape a charge. An affray charge can also cover a verbal threat or similar so its not like he's just scraping a court case.
Affray is not as serious as assualt. Barton was charged with both.
But to say this is only in court due to it being Gerrard involved is dead wrong.
[/quote]
Its true to say that its not because its Gerrard that its got this far in a legal sense. This kind of thing will tend to go to court.
However its also fair to wonder whether, had it NOT been Steven Gerrard, the complainant would have taken it as far as he has. If you had a scuffle in a bar with some random, you might be tempted to leave it. If one of the people was famous and it opened the door to all kinds of publicity and eventual compensation then you might consider it more worth your while
[/quote]
If you're stupid enough to do it in front of witnesses and CCTV and the Police are called then, presumably, you could be charged by the CPS, regardless of the wishes of the random.
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Unlikely really though. For one, if the victim does not make a complaint the police would never be aware. Bars are certainly not in the habit of calling the police in as this affects their licence when renewal time comes up. Also, even if the police do find out and do investigate then without a statement from the victim it probably won't get through the CPS even if the police do press charges.
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I've seen plenty of fights in bars and called the police.
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So this "barrage of punches" was in fact two?
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[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=34836.msg910353#msg910353 date=1248272500]
[quote author=Richey link=topic=34836.msg910351#msg910351 date=1248272362]
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=34836.msg910321#msg910321 date=1248270659]
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[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=34836.msg910284#msg910284 date=1248269688]
[quote author=Mystic link=topic=34836.msg910247#msg910247 date=1248267113]
[quote author=Anita link=topic=34836.msg910244#msg910244 date=1248266961]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=34836.msg910225#msg910225 date=1248265485]
It sounds so hopeless I'm absolutely amazed it ever reached court.
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I hope you're right, but you never know how these things are going to go and who they are going to chose to make an example of.
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Thats my only worry, thats they try to make an example of him. This incident would never have got this far if it wasn't for Gerrard being in the equation. I've seen people doing worse than this in the school playground.
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Yes, it would. I was involved in a similar case. You can't hit someone and expect to escape a charge. An affray charge can also cover a verbal threat or similar so its not like he's just scraping a court case.
Affray is not as serious as assualt. Barton was charged with both.
But to say this is only in court due to it being Gerrard involved is dead wrong.
[/quote]
Its true to say that its not because its Gerrard that its got this far in a legal sense. This kind of thing will tend to go to court.
However its also fair to wonder whether, had it NOT been Steven Gerrard, the complainant would have taken it as far as he has. If you had a scuffle in a bar with some random, you might be tempted to leave it. If one of the people was famous and it opened the door to all kinds of publicity and eventual compensation then you might consider it more worth your while
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If you're stupid enough to do it in front of witnesses and CCTV and the Police are called then, presumably, you could be charged by the CPS, regardless of the wishes of the random.
[/quote]
Unlikely really though. For one, if the victim does not make a complaint the police would never be aware. Bars are certainly not in the habit of calling the police in as this affects their licence when renewal time comes up. Also, even if the police do find out and do investigate then without a statement from the victim it probably won't get through the CPS even if the police do press charges.
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I've seen plenty of fights in bars and called the police.
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Unbelieveable editing skills. Who do you work for, Microsoft?
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=34836.msg910353#msg910353 date=1248272500]
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[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=34836.msg910321#msg910321 date=1248270659]
[quote author=Richey link=topic=34836.msg910311#msg910311 date=1248270446]
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=34836.msg910284#msg910284 date=1248269688]
[quote author=Mystic link=topic=34836.msg910247#msg910247 date=1248267113]
[quote author=Anita link=topic=34836.msg910244#msg910244 date=1248266961]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=34836.msg910225#msg910225 date=1248265485]
It sounds so hopeless I'm absolutely amazed it ever reached court.
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I hope you're right, but you never know how these things are going to go and who they are going to chose to make an example of.
[/quote]
Thats my only worry, thats they try to make an example of him. This incident would never have got this far if it wasn't for Gerrard being in the equation. I've seen people doing worse than this in the school playground.
[/quote]
Yes, it would. I was involved in a similar case. You can't hit someone and expect to escape a charge. An affray charge can also cover a verbal threat or similar so its not like he's just scraping a court case.
Affray is not as serious as assualt. Barton was charged with both.
But to say this is only in court due to it being Gerrard involved is dead wrong.
[/quote]
Its true to say that its not because its Gerrard that its got this far in a legal sense. This kind of thing will tend to go to court.
However its also fair to wonder whether, had it NOT been Steven Gerrard, the complainant would have taken it as far as he has. If you had a scuffle in a bar with some random, you might be tempted to leave it. If one of the people was famous and it opened the door to all kinds of publicity and eventual compensation then you might consider it more worth your while
[/quote]
If you're stupid enough to do it in front of witnesses and CCTV and the Police are called then, presumably, you could be charged by the CPS, regardless of the wishes of the random.
[/quote]
Unlikely really though. For one, if the victim does not make a complaint the police would never be aware. Bars are certainly not in the habit of calling the police in as this affects their licence when renewal time comes up. Also, even if the police do find out and do investigate then without a statement from the victim it probably won't get through the CPS even if the police do press charges.
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I've seen plenty of fights in bars and called the police.
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Unbelieveable editing skills. Who do you work for, Microsoft?
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=34836.msg910353#msg910353 date=1248272500]
[quote author=Richey link=topic=34836.msg910351#msg910351 date=1248272362]
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=34836.msg910321#msg910321 date=1248270659]
[quote author=Richey link=topic=34836.msg910311#msg910311 date=1248270446]
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=34836.msg910284#msg910284 date=1248269688]
[quote author=Mystic link=topic=34836.msg910247#msg910247 date=1248267113]
[quote author=Anita link=topic=34836.msg910244#msg910244 date=1248266961]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=34836.msg910225#msg910225 date=1248265485]
It sounds so hopeless I'm absolutely amazed it ever reached court.
[/quote]
I hope you're right, but you never know how these things are going to go and who they are going to chose to make an example of.
[/quote]
Thats my only worry, thats they try to make an example of him. This incident would never have got this far if it wasn't for Gerrard being in the equation. I've seen people doing worse than this in the school playground.
[/quote]
Yes, it would. I was involved in a similar case. You can't hit someone and expect to escape a charge. An affray charge can also cover a verbal threat or similar so its not like he's just scraping a court case.
Affray is not as serious as assualt. Barton was charged with both.
But to say this is only in court due to it being Gerrard involved is dead wrong.
[/quote]
Its true to say that its not because its Gerrard that its got this far in a legal sense. This kind of thing will tend to go to court.
However its also fair to wonder whether, had it NOT been Steven Gerrard, the complainant would have taken it as far as he has. If you had a scuffle in a bar with some random, you might be tempted to leave it. If one of the people was famous and it opened the door to all kinds of publicity and eventual compensation then you might consider it more worth your while
[/quote]
If you're stupid enough to do it in front of witnesses and CCTV and the Police are called then, presumably, you could be charged by the CPS, regardless of the wishes of the random.
[/quote]
Unlikely really though. For one, if the victim does not make a complaint the police would never be aware. Bars are certainly not in the habit of calling the police in as this affects their licence when renewal time comes up. Also, even if the police do find out and do investigate then without a statement from the victim it probably won't get through the CPS even if the police do press charges.
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I've seen plenty of fights in bars where a member of staff has called the police.
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Really? I would only expect that if they fear it could escalate. Normally bars would rather not have any police involved.
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[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=34836.msg910321#msg910321 date=1248270659]
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[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=34836.msg910284#msg910284 date=1248269688]
[quote author=Mystic link=topic=34836.msg910247#msg910247 date=1248267113]
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[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=34836.msg910225#msg910225 date=1248265485]
It sounds so hopeless I'm absolutely amazed it ever reached court.
[/quote]
I hope you're right, but you never know how these things are going to go and who they are going to chose to make an example of.
[/quote]
Thats my only worry, thats they try to make an example of him. This incident would never have got this far if it wasn't for Gerrard being in the equation. I've seen people doing worse than this in the school playground.
[/quote]
Yes, it would. I was involved in a similar case. You can't hit someone and expect to escape a charge. An affray charge can also cover a verbal threat or similar so its not like he's just scraping a court case.
Affray is not as serious as assualt. Barton was charged with both.
But to say this is only in court due to it being Gerrard involved is dead wrong.
[/quote]
Its true to say that its not because its Gerrard that its got this far in a legal sense. This kind of thing will tend to go to court.
However its also fair to wonder whether, had it NOT been Steven Gerrard, the complainant would have taken it as far as he has. If you had a scuffle in a bar with some random, you might be tempted to leave it. If one of the people was famous and it opened the door to all kinds of publicity and eventual compensation then you might consider it more worth your while
[/quote]
If you're stupid enough to do it in front of witnesses and CCTV and the Police are called then, presumably, you could be charged by the CPS, regardless of the wishes of the random.
[/quote]
Unlikely really though. For one, if the victim does not make a complaint the police would never be aware. Bars are certainly not in the habit of calling the police in as this affects their licence when renewal time comes up. Also, even if the police do find out and do investigate then without a statement from the victim it probably won't get through the CPS even if the police do press charges.
[/quote]
I've seen plenty of fights in bars where a member of staff has called the police.
[/quote]
Really? I would only expect that if they fear it could escalate. Normally bars would rather not have any police involved.
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Somebody told me today that Kenny was in the bar. I hadn't heard that before. Any truth in it?
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He was there earlier on. Left a couple of hours before this incident.
Somebody told me today that Kenny was in the bar. I hadn't heard that before. Any truth in it?
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He was there earlier on. Left a couple of hours before this incident.
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[quote author=leftpeg link=topic=34836.msg910442#msg910442 date=1248277261]
Somebody told me today that Kenny was in the bar. I hadn't heard that before. Any truth in it?
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He was there earlier on. Left a couple of hours before this incident.
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One paper still felt the need to put his age in brackets. The way they train these twits is hilarious. Robots the lot of them.
[quote author=leftpeg link=topic=34836.msg910442#msg910442 date=1248277261]
Somebody told me today that Kenny was in the bar. I hadn't heard that before. Any truth in it?
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He was there earlier on. Left a couple of hours before this incident.
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One paper still felt the need to put his age in brackets. The way they train these twits is hilarious. Robots the lot of them.
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[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=34836.msg910353#msg910353 date=1248272500]
[quote author=Richey link=topic=34836.msg910351#msg910351 date=1248272362]
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=34836.msg910321#msg910321 date=1248270659]
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[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=34836.msg910284#msg910284 date=1248269688]
[quote author=Mystic link=topic=34836.msg910247#msg910247 date=1248267113]
[quote author=Anita link=topic=34836.msg910244#msg910244 date=1248266961]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=34836.msg910225#msg910225 date=1248265485]
It sounds so hopeless I'm absolutely amazed it ever reached court.
[/quote]
I hope you're right, but you never know how these things are going to go and who they are going to chose to make an example of.
[/quote]
Thats my only worry, thats they try to make an example of him. This incident would never have got this far if it wasn't for Gerrard being in the equation. I've seen people doing worse than this in the school playground.
[/quote]
Yes, it would. I was involved in a similar case. You can't hit someone and expect to escape a charge. An affray charge can also cover a verbal threat or similar so its not like he's just scraping a court case.
Affray is not as serious as assualt. Barton was charged with both.
But to say this is only in court due to it being Gerrard involved is dead wrong.
[/quote]
Its true to say that its not because its Gerrard that its got this far in a legal sense. This kind of thing will tend to go to court.
However its also fair to wonder whether, had it NOT been Steven Gerrard, the complainant would have taken it as far as he has. If you had a scuffle in a bar with some random, you might be tempted to leave it. If one of the people was famous and it opened the door to all kinds of publicity and eventual compensation then you might consider it more worth your while
[/quote]
If you're stupid enough to do it in front of witnesses and CCTV and the Police are called then, presumably, you could be charged by the CPS, regardless of the wishes of the random.
[/quote]
Unlikely really though. For one, if the victim does not make a complaint the police would never be aware. Bars are certainly not in the habit of calling the police in as this affects their licence when renewal time comes up. Also, even if the police do find out and do investigate then without a statement from the victim it probably won't get through the CPS even if the police do press charges.
[/quote]
I've seen plenty of fights in bars where a member of staff has called the police.
[/quote]
Really? I would only expect that if they fear it could escalate. Normally bars would rather not have any police involved.
[/quote]
If a member of staff, or a sub-contracted staffer not directly associated with crowd control takes a hit then calling the coppers is almost a given, particularly if you either have a firm identification or are holding whomever did it.
Part of it is duty of care (certainly in Australia), in that the bar can be sued if they "wash their hands" of the incident.
I thnk Gerrard's made a c**t out of himself on this one. Getting in to a heated argument over the music that's playing mis just idiotic.
The mate that threw the elbow is the one in trouble. He's the one that esculated it from a verbal argument to physical involvement.
Self defense my arse though.
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=34836.msg910353#msg910353 date=1248272500]
[quote author=Richey link=topic=34836.msg910351#msg910351 date=1248272362]
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=34836.msg910321#msg910321 date=1248270659]
[quote author=Richey link=topic=34836.msg910311#msg910311 date=1248270446]
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=34836.msg910284#msg910284 date=1248269688]
[quote author=Mystic link=topic=34836.msg910247#msg910247 date=1248267113]
[quote author=Anita link=topic=34836.msg910244#msg910244 date=1248266961]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=34836.msg910225#msg910225 date=1248265485]
It sounds so hopeless I'm absolutely amazed it ever reached court.
[/quote]
I hope you're right, but you never know how these things are going to go and who they are going to chose to make an example of.
[/quote]
Thats my only worry, thats they try to make an example of him. This incident would never have got this far if it wasn't for Gerrard being in the equation. I've seen people doing worse than this in the school playground.
[/quote]
Yes, it would. I was involved in a similar case. You can't hit someone and expect to escape a charge. An affray charge can also cover a verbal threat or similar so its not like he's just scraping a court case.
Affray is not as serious as assualt. Barton was charged with both.
But to say this is only in court due to it being Gerrard involved is dead wrong.
[/quote]
Its true to say that its not because its Gerrard that its got this far in a legal sense. This kind of thing will tend to go to court.
However its also fair to wonder whether, had it NOT been Steven Gerrard, the complainant would have taken it as far as he has. If you had a scuffle in a bar with some random, you might be tempted to leave it. If one of the people was famous and it opened the door to all kinds of publicity and eventual compensation then you might consider it more worth your while
[/quote]
If you're stupid enough to do it in front of witnesses and CCTV and the Police are called then, presumably, you could be charged by the CPS, regardless of the wishes of the random.
[/quote]
Unlikely really though. For one, if the victim does not make a complaint the police would never be aware. Bars are certainly not in the habit of calling the police in as this affects their licence when renewal time comes up. Also, even if the police do find out and do investigate then without a statement from the victim it probably won't get through the CPS even if the police do press charges.
[/quote]
I've seen plenty of fights in bars where a member of staff has called the police.
[/quote]
Really? I would only expect that if they fear it could escalate. Normally bars would rather not have any police involved.
[/quote]
If a member of staff, or a sub-contracted staffer not directly associated with crowd control takes a hit then calling the coppers is almost a given, particularly if you either have a firm identification or are holding whomever did it.
Part of it is duty of care (certainly in Australia), in that the bar can be sued if they "wash their hands" of the incident.
I thnk Gerrard's made a c**t out of himself on this one. Getting in to a heated argument over the music that's playing mis just idiotic.
The mate that threw the elbow is the one in trouble. He's the one that esculated it from a verbal argument to physical involvement.
Self defense my arse though.
I liked the how drunk were you on a scale of one to ten question.
They should introduce this precise system of measurement when they stop drink drivers too. Fuck breathalysers and what not.
They should introduce this precise system of measurement when they stop drink drivers too. Fuck breathalysers and what not.
the argument wasnt about the music,, it was about the dj being a cunt.
My watching of the video shows:
McGhee elbowed in the face (turning the confrontation into a fight)
McGhee pushed backwards from it and then, because he has hold of the arm of the attacker who is stepping backwards, he gets pulled forward and down (out of view)
Gerrard then leaps in immediately (when McGhee's head is still down) and starts throwing punches.
I can't see how it can possibly be self defence by Gerrard since McGhee appears to be still reeling from the elbow when Gerrard hits him. As someone already said, I sincerely hope Gerrard's advisors know what they are doing.
I think Gerrard is giving evidence today.
McGhee elbowed in the face (turning the confrontation into a fight)
McGhee pushed backwards from it and then, because he has hold of the arm of the attacker who is stepping backwards, he gets pulled forward and down (out of view)
Gerrard then leaps in immediately (when McGhee's head is still down) and starts throwing punches.
I can't see how it can possibly be self defence by Gerrard since McGhee appears to be still reeling from the elbow when Gerrard hits him. As someone already said, I sincerely hope Gerrard's advisors know what they are doing.
I think Gerrard is giving evidence today.
[quote author=keniget link=topic=34836.msg910672#msg910672 date=1248331370]
How serious were the DJ's injuries...?
It just seems like much ado about nothing to me. Gerrard is hardly going to get sent down for this.
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According to Gerrards statement, 1 of the 3 punches hit the DJ. Wasn't it Nessie that said his paramedic collegues told him the DJs cuts looked like he had cut himself shaving or something? If so, then it wasn't serious at all..
How serious were the DJ's injuries...?
It just seems like much ado about nothing to me. Gerrard is hardly going to get sent down for this.
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According to Gerrards statement, 1 of the 3 punches hit the DJ. Wasn't it Nessie that said his paramedic collegues told him the DJs cuts looked like he had cut himself shaving or something? If so, then it wasn't serious at all..
[quote author=keniget link=topic=34836.msg910672#msg910672 date=1248331370]
How serious were the DJ's injuries...?
It just seems like much ado about nothing to me. Gerrard is hardly going to get sent down for this.
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In the eyes of the court it doesn't matter whether the injuries are serious.
Assault is still assault in their eyes
How serious were the DJ's injuries...?
It just seems like much ado about nothing to me. Gerrard is hardly going to get sent down for this.
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In the eyes of the court it doesn't matter whether the injuries are serious.
Assault is still assault in their eyes
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