I think this puts to bed who's the hardest at the club.
Gerrards in trouble
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[quote author=Asbo link=topic=34836.msg909642#msg909642 date=1248176954]
Gerrard 'struck with boxer speed'[/quote]
Nevermind, maybe they meant Audley Harrison speed, in which case he's probably still lining up the punch now.
Gerrard 'struck with boxer speed'[/quote]
Nevermind, maybe they meant Audley Harrison speed, in which case he's probably still lining up the punch now.
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=34836.msg909701#msg909701 date=1248179861]
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=34836.msg909642#msg909642 date=1248176954]
Gerrard 'struck with boxer speed'[/quote]
Nevermind, maybe they meant Audley Harrison speed, in which case he's probably still lining up the punch now.
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Or maybe they meant "boxer" as in Cruft's?
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=34836.msg909642#msg909642 date=1248176954]
Gerrard 'struck with boxer speed'[/quote]
Nevermind, maybe they meant Audley Harrison speed, in which case he's probably still lining up the punch now.
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Or maybe they meant "boxer" as in Cruft's?
if it safe to assume if gerrard swore under oath he wasn't involved and then was later proved to have commited purgery with video evidence that he could face a stiff sentence.
as I said at the time, I believe the CCTV is quite damning, according to my Police friends who were involved in the investigation.
Although the reports say that the male was 'hospitalised', my colleagues who took him in the ambulance say he had an ickle bruise and a cut or two that were no worse than shaving cuts. But he dramatised it all, as you do if you are a manc fan.
This could go either way.
Although the reports say that the male was 'hospitalised', my colleagues who took him in the ambulance say he had an ickle bruise and a cut or two that were no worse than shaving cuts. But he dramatised it all, as you do if you are a manc fan.
This could go either way.
The charge is affray, am I right?
So the legal definition of affray is "intent to fight on part of both parties". It would appear Gerrard's defence is that there was no "intent" on his part.
If convicted I'll be very surprised if he gets a jail term, a fine would be the more likely outcome.
So the legal definition of affray is "intent to fight on part of both parties". It would appear Gerrard's defence is that there was no "intent" on his part.
If convicted I'll be very surprised if he gets a jail term, a fine would be the more likely outcome.
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=34836.msg909724#msg909724 date=1248182583]
Anyway, what kind of legal language is 'totally lost it'? Is this being dramatised by BBC3???
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Probably just a direct quote in court.
Anyway, what kind of legal language is 'totally lost it'? Is this being dramatised by BBC3???
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Probably just a direct quote in court.
I agree Macca, poor show from the prosecution. Did he also "fuck him up bad"?
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=34836.msg909729#msg909729 date=1248182867]
The prosecution then alleged: "We say at this stage Gerrard totally lost it".
Bizarre language.
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Well juries generally don't speak legalese. Playing to the Joe Soaps in plain language I suppose.
The prosecution then alleged: "We say at this stage Gerrard totally lost it".
Bizarre language.
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Well juries generally don't speak legalese. Playing to the Joe Soaps in plain language I suppose.
And we claim, m'lud, that Gerrard then went well mad, like, and the whole place went very tasty - y'know what I mean? - and then this batty boy suddenly he go all like "grrrrrr" and really went mental, right, absolutely 150% crazy, see, and then dis bloater alongside started wanting a piece too and he was all duckin and divin and Christ man it were well bad! A mo-fo here, a mo-fo there - it was like feckin Old MacDonald's Farm, man!
How perfectly dreadful.
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=34836.msg909724#msg909724 date=1248182583]
I heard the CCTV footage shows the DJ throwing a punch at Gerrard first. Anyway, what kind of legal language is 'totally lost it'? Is this being dramatised by BBC3???
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SG admits throwing the first punch in his police interview. Well the second one I guess, as his mate had previously elbowed the manc in the face. He said it was self defence because he thought the manc was going to throw a punch! Hmmm.
I heard the CCTV footage shows the DJ throwing a punch at Gerrard first. Anyway, what kind of legal language is 'totally lost it'? Is this being dramatised by BBC3???
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SG admits throwing the first punch in his police interview. Well the second one I guess, as his mate had previously elbowed the manc in the face. He said it was self defence because he thought the manc was going to throw a punch! Hmmm.
UPDATED:
Gerrard 'struck with boxer speed'
Steven Gerrard arriving at Liverpool Crown Court
Steven Gerrard had been celebrating a win over Newcastle United
Liverpool footballer Steven Gerrard "totally lost it" and hit a man "with the style and speed of a boxer" during a row over music, a court has heard.
Marcus McGee, 34, was assaulted by the England midfielder when he refused to hand over control of a CD player at the Lounge Inn, Southport, it was alleged.
Mr Gerrard, 29, took offence when his request was ignored by the businessman, Liverpool Crown Court was told.
The footballer, who denies affray, told police he hit out to protect a friend.
The midfielder, from Formby, had been celebrating Liverpool's 5-1 Premier League win over Newcastle United at the Lounge Inn in the early hours of 29 December 2008.
Mr Gerrard was with friends when his party clashed with Mr McGee.
David Turner QC, prosecuting, told the court that Mr Gerrard asked Mr McGee for a card that controlled the CD player, saying: "Here y'are, lad. Give me that, lad."
Mr Turner said: "Mr McGee took offence at his attitude and the expression 'lad' and he refused.
Steven Gerrard joined in the attack with a succession of well aimed uppercut punches
David Turner QC
"Not many people on Merseyside, or indeed anywhere else, would refuse a request from Steven Gerrard but Mr McGee did.
"He (Mr Gerrard) walked away back to his party but the CCTV shows how much his mood had changed."
After about six minutes Mr Gerrard returned to the victim and confronted him, the court heard.
Mr McGee, who was in charge of music for the night, stood up to Mr Gerrard and the pair were head-to-head, the court was told.
One of Mr Gerrard's friends, John Doran, who has admitted affray, pushed Mr McGee away but "could not resist following through with his right elbow into Mr McGee's face," said Mr Turner.
"We say at this stage Gerrard totally lost it," he told the court.
'Lost self-control'
"Almost immediately after the blow from John Doran, in fact within seconds, Steven Gerrard joined in the attack with a succession of well aimed uppercut punches delivered with the style and speed of a professional boxer rather than a professional footballer."
Mr Turner said there was "no doubt" Mr Gerrard struck Mr McGee and said the issue for the jury to decide was whether he was acting in self-defence.
He said: "Steven Gerrard is a world-class footballer. He has the honour to be captain of Liverpool FC and to play for England.
"He is a star. He is Liverpool born and bred and here on Merseyside is a hero.
Lounge Inn, Southport
The violence erupted at a bar in Southport
"We do not say that Mr Gerrard is normally an arrogant man, we don't say that he is a bully.
"What we do say is that that night he just lost his self-control and joined in an attack which should never have taken place. He let himself down."
The jury watched CCTV footage that showed Mr Gerrard and his friends dancing, singing and drinking in The Lounge Inn.
It showed the footballer talking to Mr McGee at the bar for 23 seconds, then Mr Doran elbowing him, and then Mr Gerrard apparently throwing punches.
During his police interview, Mr Gerrard admitted punching Mr McGee but claimed it was out of a belief that his friend was about to be attacked, the jury heard.
In conclusion, Mr Turner told the jury: "If you consider Steven Gerrard was or even may have been acting in self-defence you will acquit.
"But we say on this occasion Steven Gerrard's fists, not his feet, did the talking. This was never self-defence in a hundred years."
Mr Doran, 29, of Woodlands Road, Ian Gerrard Smith, 19, of Hilary Avenue and Paul McGrattan, 31, of Linden Drive, all Huyton, admit affray.
Accrington Stanley footballers Robert Grant, 19, of Enstone Avenue, Litherland, and Ian Dunbavin, 28, of Guildford Road, Southport, have also admitted affray.
John McGrattan, 34, of Rimmer Avenue, Huyton, has admitted threatening behaviour after denying affray.
The trial was adjourned and will resume on Wednesday.
Guy must be hard as fuck to withstand several 'Well placed upercut punches' LMAO
Gerrard 'struck with boxer speed'
Steven Gerrard arriving at Liverpool Crown Court
Steven Gerrard had been celebrating a win over Newcastle United
Liverpool footballer Steven Gerrard "totally lost it" and hit a man "with the style and speed of a boxer" during a row over music, a court has heard.
Marcus McGee, 34, was assaulted by the England midfielder when he refused to hand over control of a CD player at the Lounge Inn, Southport, it was alleged.
Mr Gerrard, 29, took offence when his request was ignored by the businessman, Liverpool Crown Court was told.
The footballer, who denies affray, told police he hit out to protect a friend.
The midfielder, from Formby, had been celebrating Liverpool's 5-1 Premier League win over Newcastle United at the Lounge Inn in the early hours of 29 December 2008.
Mr Gerrard was with friends when his party clashed with Mr McGee.
David Turner QC, prosecuting, told the court that Mr Gerrard asked Mr McGee for a card that controlled the CD player, saying: "Here y'are, lad. Give me that, lad."
Mr Turner said: "Mr McGee took offence at his attitude and the expression 'lad' and he refused.
Steven Gerrard joined in the attack with a succession of well aimed uppercut punches
David Turner QC
"Not many people on Merseyside, or indeed anywhere else, would refuse a request from Steven Gerrard but Mr McGee did.
"He (Mr Gerrard) walked away back to his party but the CCTV shows how much his mood had changed."
After about six minutes Mr Gerrard returned to the victim and confronted him, the court heard.
Mr McGee, who was in charge of music for the night, stood up to Mr Gerrard and the pair were head-to-head, the court was told.
One of Mr Gerrard's friends, John Doran, who has admitted affray, pushed Mr McGee away but "could not resist following through with his right elbow into Mr McGee's face," said Mr Turner.
"We say at this stage Gerrard totally lost it," he told the court.
'Lost self-control'
"Almost immediately after the blow from John Doran, in fact within seconds, Steven Gerrard joined in the attack with a succession of well aimed uppercut punches delivered with the style and speed of a professional boxer rather than a professional footballer."
Mr Turner said there was "no doubt" Mr Gerrard struck Mr McGee and said the issue for the jury to decide was whether he was acting in self-defence.
He said: "Steven Gerrard is a world-class footballer. He has the honour to be captain of Liverpool FC and to play for England.
"He is a star. He is Liverpool born and bred and here on Merseyside is a hero.
Lounge Inn, Southport
The violence erupted at a bar in Southport
"We do not say that Mr Gerrard is normally an arrogant man, we don't say that he is a bully.
"What we do say is that that night he just lost his self-control and joined in an attack which should never have taken place. He let himself down."
The jury watched CCTV footage that showed Mr Gerrard and his friends dancing, singing and drinking in The Lounge Inn.
It showed the footballer talking to Mr McGee at the bar for 23 seconds, then Mr Doran elbowing him, and then Mr Gerrard apparently throwing punches.
During his police interview, Mr Gerrard admitted punching Mr McGee but claimed it was out of a belief that his friend was about to be attacked, the jury heard.
In conclusion, Mr Turner told the jury: "If you consider Steven Gerrard was or even may have been acting in self-defence you will acquit.
"But we say on this occasion Steven Gerrard's fists, not his feet, did the talking. This was never self-defence in a hundred years."
Mr Doran, 29, of Woodlands Road, Ian Gerrard Smith, 19, of Hilary Avenue and Paul McGrattan, 31, of Linden Drive, all Huyton, admit affray.
Accrington Stanley footballers Robert Grant, 19, of Enstone Avenue, Litherland, and Ian Dunbavin, 28, of Guildford Road, Southport, have also admitted affray.
John McGrattan, 34, of Rimmer Avenue, Huyton, has admitted threatening behaviour after denying affray.
The trial was adjourned and will resume on Wednesday.
Guy must be hard as fuck to withstand several 'Well placed upercut punches' LMAO
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=34836.msg909724#msg909724 date=1248182583]
I heard the CCTV footage shows the DJ throwing a punch at Gerrard first. Anyway, what kind of legal language is 'totally lost it'? Is this being dramatised by BBC3???
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Probably would not need to as it is being perfectly well dramatised by some SCM posters in this thread!!
I heard the CCTV footage shows the DJ throwing a punch at Gerrard first. Anyway, what kind of legal language is 'totally lost it'? Is this being dramatised by BBC3???
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Probably would not need to as it is being perfectly well dramatised by some SCM posters in this thread!!
Prosecuting counsel is a QC though. Perhaps he's trying a bit too hard to get on what he imagines to be the jury's level - which they won't like if it comes across anywhere near as artificially in person as it does in print.
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=34836.msg909761#msg909761 date=1248187485]
Prosecuting counsel is a QC though. Perhaps he's trying a bit too hard to get on what he imagines to be the jury's level - which they won't like if it comes across anywhere near as artificially in person as it does in print.
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Exactly. He sounds like Richard Madeley trying to get down in da house wiv the bruvvers and dykes.
Prosecuting counsel is a QC though. Perhaps he's trying a bit too hard to get on what he imagines to be the jury's level - which they won't like if it comes across anywhere near as artificially in person as it does in print.
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Exactly. He sounds like Richard Madeley trying to get down in da house wiv the bruvvers and dykes.
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=34836.msg909743#msg909743 date=1248184220]
And we claim, m'lud, that Gerrard then went well mad, like, and the whole place went very tasty - y'know what I mean? - and then this batty boy suddenly he go all like "grrrrrr" and really went mental, right, absolutely 150% crazy, see, and then dis bloater alongside started wanting a piece too and he was all duckin and divin and Christ man it were well bad! A mo-fo here, a mo-fo there - it was like feckin Old MacDonald's Farm, man!
How perfectly dreadful.
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HHAHHAHAHAHAAAAAAA
And we claim, m'lud, that Gerrard then went well mad, like, and the whole place went very tasty - y'know what I mean? - and then this batty boy suddenly he go all like "grrrrrr" and really went mental, right, absolutely 150% crazy, see, and then dis bloater alongside started wanting a piece too and he was all duckin and divin and Christ man it were well bad! A mo-fo here, a mo-fo there - it was like feckin Old MacDonald's Farm, man!
How perfectly dreadful.
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HHAHHAHAHAHAAAAAAA
I know someone who was there today. I'm waiting for him to tell me more. All he's said so far was that Gerrard did him in.
Admittedly, it doesnt sound too hot what was reported today.
However, this is all coming from the prosecution and paints Mr McGee in a very reasonable light and Gerrard in an unreasonable light.
Gerrard has pleaded not guilty to these charges, so one must assume that the defence are confident that they can rebuke the evidence given by the prosecution or show Gerrard in a much better light and paint a darker side to the involvement of Mr McGee.
I'll wait until I hear what the defence has to say.
However, this is all coming from the prosecution and paints Mr McGee in a very reasonable light and Gerrard in an unreasonable light.
Gerrard has pleaded not guilty to these charges, so one must assume that the defence are confident that they can rebuke the evidence given by the prosecution or show Gerrard in a much better light and paint a darker side to the involvement of Mr McGee.
I'll wait until I hear what the defence has to say.
Had to look that one up Macca 😉
Here is the CCTV footage. Shows nothing really other than confirms gerrad does have an obssesion of washing his hands. It also shows gerrad being held back but nothing else.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8161848.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8161848.stm
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