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[quote author=Sunny link=topic=43518.msg1248152#msg1248152 date=1294606312]
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=43518.msg1248151#msg1248151 date=1294606277]
It was rash, but it's the kind of tackle that happens every game. If that had been at Anfield (or had been committed by Fletcher at Old Trafford) it would have been waved away, and no one would have discussed it at all.
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If it was a Man U player we'd have been baying for a red.
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Well yeah, that too.
 
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[quote author=Sunny link=topic=43518.msg1248152#msg1248152 date=1294606312]
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=43518.msg1248151#msg1248151 date=1294606277]
It was rash, but it's the kind of tackle that happens every game. If that had been at Anfield (or had been committed by Fletcher at Old Trafford) it would have been waved away, and no one would have discussed it at all.
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If it was a Man U player we'd have been baying for a red.
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Well yeah, that too.
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unless it was howard webb again, then our player would still get sent off this time for making a tackle from behind
 
I don't think we can have any complaints about the decision, I am with JJ and Sunny on this had a United player done that I would have expected them to go. Rafael's is in no way comparable.

It was a stupid tackle, I thought we were doing pretty well at that point.

I also have no great issues with the pen either to be honest. Yes Berbatov could have stayed on his feet , and was looking for it, but he didn't , and there is no doubt contact had been made.
If that was a Liverpool player and they did not go down in the same circumstances I would be livid.

I think we were unlucky that both decisions went against us , but individually I have no great issues.

If any other ref had been in charge I think we might have got away with one or the other.

regards
 
Off the ground, 2 footed, running full pelt. It was a dangerous tackle. End of discussion.
 
I am angry with Gerrard, 1-0 down in a crucial competition, one of only two cups we can win and he does that with loads of the game left and it wasn't even to stop a goal or anything

Absolute stupidity from such a good player

He needs a serious talking to imo.
 
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=43518.msg1248169#msg1248169 date=1294606906]
Off the ground, 2 footed, running full pelt. It was a dangerous tackle. End of discussion.
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Fazackerley. An obvious red card.
 
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[quote author=Fabio link=topic=43518.msg1248169#msg1248169 date=1294606906]
Off the ground, 2 footed, running full pelt. It was a dangerous tackle. End of discussion.
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Fazackerley. An obvious red card.




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Yep. Silly from the captain.
 
May be it was a red.

But how is it silly?

I think some of you are taking a moral high ground for the sake of it.

Gerrard was first to the ball, and Carrick was coming in from the side and was behind him when they both made the lunge. I wanted Gerrard to go for that ball. We had just come off second best from a similar position against Rafael, and i would have been a bit disappointed if Gerrard also pulled out. It was a 50-50 ball, but the way Gerrard went in meant that he gave a chance to the cunt to interpret it in a way that could be bad for us.....

It was a touch unlucky, and the 'Captain let the team down talk' is a bit ridiculous. Shit happens....move on.
 
Oh i would have been fucked off if he didn't go for the ball, but a 2 footed lunge was suicidal. He was obviously fucked off with the decision for the pen as he was going for it none stop and getting stuck in until he was sent off. I don't mind that, i like the passion (it's actually good to see again) but i just can't understand what was going through his mind. At least leave one leg trailing behind
 
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=43518.msg1248161#msg1248161 date=1294606613]
I don't think we can have any complaints about the decision, I am with JJ and Sunny on this had a United player done that I would have expected them to go. Rafael's is in no way comparable.

It was a stupid tackle, I thought we were doing pretty well at that point.

I also have no great issues with the pen either to be honest. Yes Berbatov could have stayed on his feet , and was looking for it, but he didn't , and there is no doubt contact had been made.
If that was a Liverpool player and they did not go down in the same circumstances I would be livid.

I think we were unlucky that both decisions went against us , but individually I have no great issues.

If any other ref had been in charge I think we might have got away with one or the other.

regards
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I think that's fair. I think both decisions were borderline and on another day might have been gotten away with, for the fact Gerrard was more or less beside Carrick rather than going through him and because Berbatov took a step and then decided to go down. Either way though in the letter of the law there was contact in both instances and a red card and penalty were always a possibility, especially with Webb as ref.
 
Would the pen have been given anywhere but OT? I'd say not very often. SG might have been sent off by any ref anywhere just by the nature of the challenge. As Vlad says for both decisions to go against us was unlucky, but at OT with Webb reffing you really need to make your own luck, because you'll find none in there.
 
In the eye of the law it was deffo a red card.

It shouldn't have been but that's more to do with the direction football is heading in more than anything
 
It could have been a yellow for diving and not even a free kick but now we were playing at ot so...
 
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[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=43518.msg1248161#msg1248161 date=1294606613]
I don't think we can have any complaints about the decision, I am with JJ and Sunny on this had a United player done that I would have expected them to go. Rafael's is in no way comparable.

It was a stupid tackle, I thought we were doing pretty well at that point.

I also have no great issues with the pen either to be honest. Yes Berbatov could have stayed on his feet , and was looking for it, but he didn't , and there is no doubt contact had been made.
If that was a Liverpool player and they did not go down in the same circumstances I would be livid.

I think we were unlucky that both decisions went against us , but individually I have no great issues.

If any other ref had been in charge I think we might have got away with one or the other.

regards
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I think that's fair. I think both decisions were borderline and on another day might have been gotten away with, for the fact Gerrard was more or less beside Carrick rather than going through him and because Berbatov took a step and then decided to go down. Either way though in the letter of the law there was contact in both instances and a red card and penalty were always a possibility, especially with Webb as ref.
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I don't agree on the point about contact - it has to be substantial enough to cause an infringement and Agger barely touched the guy. Kenny's question to Webb about whether football is still a contact sport wasn't just a sarcastic one. Berbatov cheated and Webb let it happen, is the top and bottom of it.
 
It was still 'Aggers fault'. Forget the law and look at the practicality. You give the vast majority of strikers the excuse to go on their arse and they're doing it, so whether it's legally or morally or whatever right doesn't matter. Defenders in that position should jockey and not stick their boot in until they're 100% sure of getting the ball or it's a lost cause.
 
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[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=43518.msg1248316#msg1248316 date=1294646692]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=43518.msg1248161#msg1248161 date=1294606613]
I don't think we can have any complaints about the decision, I am with JJ and Sunny on this had a United player done that I would have expected them to go. Rafael's is in no way comparable.

It was a stupid tackle, I thought we were doing pretty well at that point.

I also have no great issues with the pen either to be honest. Yes Berbatov could have stayed on his feet , and was looking for it, but he didn't , and there is no doubt contact had been made.
If that was a Liverpool player and they did not go down in the same circumstances I would be livid.

I think we were unlucky that both decisions went against us , but individually I have no great issues.

If any other ref had been in charge I think we might have got away with one or the other.

regards
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I think that's fair. I think both decisions were borderline and on another day might have been gotten away with, for the fact Gerrard was more or less beside Carrick rather than going through him and because Berbatov took a step and then decided to go down. Either way though in the letter of the law there was contact in both instances and a red card and penalty were always a possibility, especially with Webb as ref.
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I don't agree on the point about contact - it has to be substantial enough to cause an infringement and Agger barely touched the guy. Kenny's question to Webb about whether football is still a contact sport wasn't just a sarcastic one. Berbatov cheated and Webb let it happen, is the top and bottom of it.
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I've no complaints with any of that, I wasn't trying to say it was a stonewall pen (or deserved), just that as soon as contact is made, the law makes it easy for the attacker, because if they go down after contact, it's a foul. It's a shit law and Kenny was right to question whether it's a contact sport or not, but in the eyes of the (admittedly shite) laws, contact is contact, and he caught the leg instead of the ball.

Berbatov did cheat, because he showed that he could have stayed on his feet easily by continuing his run. And Webb is just a cunt, but we all knew that.

I agree with the assessment after the match though, Berbatov was going nowhere really, Agger was goal side and there was no need to go in and make the challenge, all he had to do was hold up the player.
 
I'm not that sure there was any contact between Agger and Berbacunt. It looked as if Agger successfully pulled out of the challenge to me.
 
[quote author=Buddha link=topic=43518.msg1248337#msg1248337 date=1294650091]
I'm not that sure there was any contact between Agger and Berbacunt. It looked as if Agger successfully pulled out of the challenge to me.
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I thought he clipped him, but it was a nothing challenge really, made stupid because of where it was.
 
[quote author=RolandG link=topic=43518.msg1247801#msg1247801 date=1294587778]
Gary Bailey said that he thought it was a harsh red, yellow at the very least!

Rafael two footed challenge on Raul overlooked.

If the ref was applying the letter of the law, he should be even handed and he got 2 decisions wrong that cost us the game!
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I heard Gary Bailey's comments too and was in total agreement with him. To all the guys saying it was a two-footed challenge, watch it again. It was one-footed and his other leg was trailing. Studs showing, yes, but they were both going for the ball as Carrick didn't have control of the ball at that time it was a tackle Gerrard was fully in his right to make. Definitely a yellow, but the red was very contentious.

Roland, were you watching on SuperSport?
 
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[quote author=Buddha link=topic=43518.msg1248337#msg1248337 date=1294650091]
I'm not that sure there was any contact between Agger and Berbacunt. It looked as if Agger successfully pulled out of the challenge to me.
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I thought he clipped him, but it was a nothing challenge really, made stupid because of where it was.
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Well it wasn't a fucking penalty, that's for sure. If he did clip him he needed to go down on contact, not two strides later.

And Webb should be demoted for giving a decision from 25 yards away when his linesman didn't flag for it and wasn't consulted. Who does he think he is?
 
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[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=43518.msg1248339#msg1248339 date=1294650149]
[quote author=Buddha link=topic=43518.msg1248337#msg1248337 date=1294650091]
I'm not that sure there was any contact between Agger and Berbacunt. It looked as if Agger successfully pulled out of the challenge to me.
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I thought he clipped him, but it was a nothing challenge really, made stupid because of where it was.
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Well it wasn't a fucking penalty, that's for sure. If he did clip him he needed to go down on contact, not two strides later.

And Webb should be demoted for giving a decision from 25 yards away when his linesman didn't flag for it and wasn't consulted. Who does he think he is?
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He's a bellend mate, and I agree. I'm not saying the decision wasn't shite, or that Berbatov isn't a cheat, I just thought he clipped him, that's all, but as said, he should have gone down straight away. No surprised to hear Ginsoak agreeing with both decisions. I fucking *hate* him.

We'll fuck them at home.
 
United 68% win rate under Webb, LFC 48% , Chelsea 45% and Arsenal a mere 38% . Oh and 4 pens to MU in last 6 Webb games at OT.

Just shows what a biased cunt Webb is tbh.
 
[quote author=Krump link=topic=43518.msg1248334#msg1248334 date=1294649535]
It was still 'Aggers fault'. Forget the law and look at the practicality. You give the vast majority of strikers the excuse to go on their arse and they're doing it, so whether it's legally or morally or whatever right doesn't matter. Defenders in that position should jockey and not stick their boot in until they're 100% sure of getting the ball or it's a lost cause.
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Exactly, and as I said before, if that had been Ferdinand and Torres and Ferdinand made some contact I would expect Torres to go down. The contact was more substantial than some are giving credence for by the way.
I don't particularly see it as cheating, more of , if you can't beat - them join them.

regards
 
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=43518.msg1248396#msg1248396 date=1294653687]
United 68% win rate under Webb, LFC 48% , Chelsea 45% and Arsenal a mere 38% . Oh and 4 pens to MU in last 6 Webb games at OT.

Just shows what a biased cunt Webb is tbh.
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Very surprised at the Arse stat. I mean stats are unreliable but Wenker has something like a 60% win percentage with Arse - so that is a massive difference... I suppose you'd need to know how many games and against who Coward Pleb had reffed them for.
 
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[quote author=RolandG link=topic=43518.msg1247801#msg1247801 date=1294587778]
Gary Bailey said that he thought it was a harsh red, yellow at the very least!

Rafael two footed challenge on Raul overlooked.

If the ref was applying the letter of the law, he should be even handed and he got 2 decisions wrong that cost us the game!
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I heard Gary Bailey's comments too and was in total agreement with him. To all the guys saying it was a two-footed challenge, watch it again. It was one-footed and his other leg was trailing. Studs showing, yes, but they were both going for the ball as Carrick didn't have control of the ball at that time it was a tackle Gerrard was fully in his right to make. Definitely a yellow, but the red was very contentious.

Roland, were you watching on SuperSport?
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Yes I was Scotino! I'm in Naturena close to Chief's Training Ground.

After watching the replay clearly shows Gerrard had a trailing leg. While he flew into the tackle, there was absolutely no intent to injure the player and it was a 50/50 ball.
 
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=43518.msg1248396#msg1248396 date=1294653687]
United 68% win rate under Webb, LFC 48% , Chelsea 45% and Arsenal a mere 38% . Oh and 4 pens to MU in last 6 Webb games at OT.

Just shows what a biased cunt Webb is tbh.
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Kenny needs to do a Rafa "Facts" press conference on that lot.
 
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=43518.msg1248396#msg1248396 date=1294653687]
United 68% win rate under Webb, LFC 48% , Chelsea 45% and Arsenal a mere 38% . Oh and 4 pens to MU in last 6 Webb games at OT.

Just shows what a biased cunt Webb is tbh.
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One of South Yorkshire's "finest" too....
 
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