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Firmino/Striker Discussion
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Firmino, Coutinho, Mane and Milner have currently scored four goals in ten games (having played nine of them), if they continue on in that vein, they'll all end the season with over 15 goals, so I think it's very reasonable to expect at least one or two of them to make that number.
There are several reasons to why Firmino could have a better goalreturn this season compared to last.
Firstly he's settled in the team, country and league (this is a point lost on some sadly)
He's started mainly as a striker/forward this season. 80% of the games.
Our attacking play has developed.
Better players around him.
14 in 40 might not be top notch. But 9 games 4 goals and 3 assists this season surley is.
The point about us not winning the league cause we dont have a 20 goal a season striker is a poor one when you see how many goals we've scored and the number of players that have scored.
Look at Spurs. They've got Harry "the bestest striker ever" Kane who should score 20-25 goals a season. He's injured and they're struggeling badly for goals. We're in a much better position not being reliant on one player.
For the future I'd love to replace Studge with a striker that suits us and can score 15-20 goals, if he doesnt work out for us obviously. But finding that type of striker wont be easy I reckon.
I don't think he's saying we "can't win the league" without a 20 goals a season striker, though. I think the point was that it might be the differrence come the end of the season. It might not, but if we hit a few games where we create loads of chances but fail to win, then that's where it starts to become highlighted.
None of the points are lost on me, least of all that it's Firmino's second season, so he should by rights have a better goals tally. I'm sure he will.
None of the points are lost on me, least of all that it's Firmino's second season, so he should by rights have a better goals tally. I'm sure he will.
He said we wont win the league cause we're not getting enough goals from our main striker.
Yeah, I expect and hope that he'll have a very good season infront of goal.
Maybe if Firmino took our penalties, missed one and had 7 in total would give the discussion a different light. I don't know.
It's obvious that even Klopp would have welcomed more goals from Firmino if he got them. But our team has only looked like not scoring on the occasions he didn't lead the line.
It's obvious that even Klopp would have welcomed more goals from Firmino if he got them. But our team has only looked like not scoring on the occasions he didn't lead the line.
That's exactly what he's saying Mark, repeatedly.
Ok. Well that's a fairly bold prediction. We're scoring enough goals at the minute, so it's not really an issue. But like I said, it becomes in an issue if the amount of chances were squandering doesn't see us outscore the opposition.
I'd say our inability to defend and our dodgy keeper would be more of a reason why. We've got enough firepower whereby, if we do start to see the false 9 setup falter (as traditional tells us with other teams, that it will at some point - see Spain), we have two or three actual strikers in reserve who might come in and get the goals we need.
Anyway, I'm happy where we are. It's an interesting debate though. I think we have enough variation for it to not be a problem, at the moment it's only a potential problem because we're seeing the goals spread among would-be-strikers, while three actual strikers can't get a game. It's a good dilemma to have.
Well they are productive and interesting, it's generated alot of response and some interesting viewpoints on both sides. I don't think debate gets more interesting than that, unless it starts to get silly with abuse etc (I know I've been guilty of this too). I think people have brought some good ideas and views across, there's no right or wrong answer because everything is going well at the moment. But football is cyclic and because it's so subjectively reliant on form, it's always likely to change at some point. Tactics will hit a brickwall and a team will need renergising with new ideas or options brought in off the bench, that's where a manager earns his crust and we'll see how far we've come.
I feel like its worth pointing out that Suarez wasn't instantly clinical for us from what I remember. I can recall him missing boatloads of chances and people hating on him for it on here (as we do with everyone)
I think after a season of him being our main choice up front he'll start to finish off more chances. I'd say he's improved massively since he came here and I don't see why that won't continue. He's only 24 so as he gets older and keeps playing with Coutinho and Mane he'll keep on getting a shitload of opportunities
He'll be in the top 5 scorers in the league this season I'd wager
I think after a season of him being our main choice up front he'll start to finish off more chances. I'd say he's improved massively since he came here and I don't see why that won't continue. He's only 24 so as he gets older and keeps playing with Coutinho and Mane he'll keep on getting a shitload of opportunities
He'll be in the top 5 scorers in the league this season I'd wager
If we don't win the league this year it won't be down to the forward line or Firmino being picked over Sturridge. It's fucking obvious that we'll score enough goals. The whole defence and keeper situation is far more likely to let us down. It seems everyone who isn't terminally thick understands this.
But thats not based on the true and reliable facts.... So it doesn't matter how much you rub your eyes and smile after 10 Points from 4 trips to London so far.
The amazing part is that we compare Firmino's "lack of goals" to Sturridge's contribution of 0 goals so far.
After the Leicester game Sturridge came of the Pitch being probably MOM (or at least a strong contender). It was not for the goals he didn't score, but his overall contribution to us ripping them apart. Moving around, dragging defenders out of position and creating space. On top of that he had Extreme involvements setting up goals. Did anyone complain that he didn't score? I can't rememeber but in here I would assume someone had a pop at him.
After the Leicester game Sturridge came of the Pitch being probably MOM (or at least a strong contender). It was not for the goals he didn't score, but his overall contribution to us ripping them apart. Moving around, dragging defenders out of position and creating space. On top of that he had Extreme involvements setting up goals. Did anyone complain that he didn't score? I can't rememeber but in here I would assume someone had a pop at him.
Yeah, but that's clearly bollocks, because they won't.
What do you base that on? So far they have been wasteful more than clinical, hence they should rather score more going forward?
Based on fucking reality. Not one of them has ever scored 15 league goals in the Premiership. Not fucking ever. Not fucking close.
Firmino scored 10 last season. He's about on track to match that gigantic total.
Lallana has scored 9 in total over the last two seasons. So you can probably work out that doubling that total seems unlikely, given that he has a grand total of 24 Premiership goals in his career so far, over 5 seasons.
Mane has scored 10/11 in his last two seasons. So 1o or 11 is about what we should expect.
Milner has never scored 10 Premiership goals in his entire fucking life. He averages about 4.
I'm not even sure why you're bothering to argue with me. You're getting demolished at every turn, and I'm not even trying.
A bigger brekkie plate and fresher mushrooms would be a start.
Quick stat : Firmino has only recorded one assist this season but has created 25 chances, an excellent return from nine Premier League starts. His teammates simply haven't been converting them effectively, which is why assist numbers sometimes offer a misleading picture of a creative player's impact.
It might help if he had a striker who was a good finisher on the pitch.
Oh, Lord. Sometimes you make it almost too easy. But cheers.
Its almost as if 24 goals in 10 games isnt enough.
If only we were Spurs with super Harry Kane and 14 goals in 10 games, or Utd with Zlatan and 13 goals in 10 games eh. That would be much much better cause we'd have a 20 goals a season striker in the team.
If only we were Spurs with super Harry Kane and 14 goals in 10 games, or Utd with Zlatan and 13 goals in 10 games eh. That would be much much better cause we'd have a 20 goals a season striker in the team.
Hahaha. So instead of watching Liverpool play you sit down by the computer and dig up stats from Brendan Rodgers and Ronald Koemans teams? Have you watched Liverpool play this year at all, or are you only looking at the table posted on teletext?
I asked a simple question on what you based it on, and you see that as an argument where you must demolish an opponent? Thats probably taking things a little bit personal..... Ill not dig into the background here.
By the way Ill give you credit for the iffy way of using both bold and italic. It really make it look like you know what you are talking about! ....... Hahaha
He thinks 4 goals in 9 games is on track to match 10 goals in 31. I'd stay clear of any discussion involving maths at least.
We should bring back Arn as well to balance things out.
It was a actually a decent discussion until the narcissist turned up.
How many Premiership goals do you think Firmino will score, Hansern?
I say this with some reservation, given how regularly you are entirely wrong
Sorry Oli!
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