England vs Italy : Euro 2020 Final. 20.00 BST London
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Yeah it wasn't foreseeable that teenagers would crumble under the immense pressure. Southgate's an idiot. I feel terrible for those two.
He is getting heat but not enough. I guess he has the goodwill of the first final in over 50 years. Imagine a LFC manager takes off an experienced player in the ET of the CL final. Then sends Salah first and Neco Williams for the 5th penalty. We would be baying for resignation immediately.
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Seriously ? He came on the 99th minute ! When England were in full defensive mode. And in 11 mins he still nearly put Saka in and drew 3 fouls. He should have been on a LOT earlier when England were under pressure, as an outlet that can keep hold of the ball and draw fouls to reduce the pressure.
The blame, for England's lack of attacking intent and penalty misses ... lies solely with Southgate.
I clearly meant as a penalty taker. Not for Southgates inept decision to bring him on during extra time.
For me the fault lies with 3 people.
Southgate - both for his timing of subs and penalty takers. Every man and his dog could see the Italy goal was coming and was crying out for a change of shape.
Rashford - You need to get your penalty on target, first and foremost. 3-2 up, or 3-3 and Sanchos penalty has a different kind of pressure.
Grealish - shirking a penalty when you are one of the senior players left on the pitch doesn't sit well with me.
They both had a right to go for it, and the slick surface of the ball jorginho slipped to the side of. He didn't go over the ball, he didn't go to hurt an opponent, he made contact with the ball, and his other touching the floor at point of contact. Saint grealish milked the fuck out of it.
The funny thing about Grealish and Rice is, if they had stuck with Ireland, they'd have been celebrating last night.
Yep. Twitter needs to do much much more to keep those kind of idiots off social media. People can all too easily hide behind VPNs and burner email addresses.
Par for the course in this country
From what I've heard, he's gone with 'sports science' and how kids react better to pressure #s wise (for penalty shoot outs)
Its probably right.. early in the shootout.
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A bit of that has to be a) on Southgate (tactically) and b) Kane (coming so deep so often - help open up the flanks early on but eventually when closed, he kept on trying).
He didn't seem 100% healthy ..
Agree with the comments on Southgate and Rashford but you seem to have it in for Grealish without knowing the facts. Southgate said HE chose the penalty takers based on their performance in training (not on senior players putting their hand up) and I saw Southgate pointing a finger at him and Grealish nodding during the huddle, I'd guess he was lined up for #6 ... but he should have been #4 or #5.
He was pretty shite, it has to be said.
Practice goes out the window though as every single pro will tell you. Waddle the prime example.
But for me it goes beyond that. England need to get past the mindset of penalties being the be all and end all. They fixate on it to the point where it affects performance. As an example in Ireland nobody harps on about the penalty miss in the last 16 of the WC in 2002 vs Spain. Sure it hurt and was shit but no more so than other parts of the game. It’s criminal the way Southgate, Waddle, Pearce, Batty etc and now Rashford, Sancho and Sako will be vilified.
Let your most experienced players take the penalties, they have the best chance of handling the pressure and less likely to be as adversely effected if they miss.
If Henderson, Kane, Walker or Sterling missed they would handle it so much better.
Anyways onto next season. Hopefully we sign some players. I want trophies!
Why are people calling Grealish a senior player? How many games does he have in the top flight or European competition?
I didn't have it in for Grealish. I also think he made a mistake taking Henderson off. He should have taken one too.
Kane, Grealish, Henderson. 3 club captains should have been on the first 5 for me. None of this 'the sports science suggests' or 'based on training kicks' for me.
Look at Italy, they had their best penalty taker at 5 (although he missed).
Yep. As I said above .. Hendo & Grealish should both have been in, not teenagers.
6 years older and 160 more games played. You’d expect him to be more ready to step up.
He seems to have the ability to land on the right side of the draw. Napoleans quote about preferring lucky generals, etc.
I am not making a case for Saka to take one ahead of him. It’s the whole crap about a player being senior who has less than 100 premier league games, of which a huge proportion were played in empty stadiums. He’s never had high pressure top flight games. He is not a senior player.
He's a club captain. 25 years of age. That for me makes him a senior player. Regardless of which divisions hes played in
To me, his lack of absolute top level and international games puts him nowhere near the senior level. Being captain of Villa doesn’t make him as senior as players who have dozens of champions league games.
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