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My god, if Brendan were still around he'd have a field day in this thread with spidey. He just pulled ten random factors out of a hat for winning away from home, constructed a straw man out of them, and now we're arguing with him on these ambiguous, meaningless terms. Ross has the right idea.
We still love you Neil, but you're talking shit.
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those points are not random and absolutely vital for away games. if you don't agree with them, fine, but I didn't pull them from my arse.
as for my talking shit, you bring up brendan but he isn't here, but you are, so exactly which point did I make that is full of shit? read my points again and tell me exactly which point is flawed.
you can say my points aren't rocket science (although we consistently fail to do the basics away from home) but you can't say they are full of shit and if you think they are full of shit please tell me which point is rubbish.
that was a wonderfully patronising post with absolutely nothing whatsoever to back up your arguement, forget bren, pick the holes in my arguement yourself.
my ealier post again;
1. You have to be organised in defense.
When is it good to be unorganized?
2. You have to be compact in midfield.
Same as #1
3. You have to be clinical.
Whereas at home, where you can afford to be profligate?
4. You have to able to defend under pressure for long periods.
Because no matter who your opponent is, they will always be able to put you under pressure?
5. You have to be able to hold up the ball.
Not if you're some of the shite teams that come to Anfield and win with 30% possession and hitting us on the counter.
6. You have to be able to change tactics quickly.
You offer no evidence for why this is a good or a bad thing, in fact it's such a universally great thing you can't even argue against it, it's so fucking obvious. It's why it has been generalized to all forms of human conflict - getting inside your opponent's decision loop is the general term for it (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OODA_loop)
7. You have to be proactive rather than reactive.
OH REALLY? How do you propose we change tactics quickly if we are being proactive instead of reactive? The definition of the words you used presupposes that we react to what our opponent's present, but now we're being proactive, what the fuck is really going on? It's a dynamic process in game, and Ross's point was spot on, you think everything that happens on a pitch happens for a reason.
8. You have have good options on the bench to be able to change the game if things are going tits up.
9. You have to be quick on the counter attack.
What about all the teams that are slow on the counter - oh right. Again I say:
10. You have to be able to control the pace of the game and slow things down especially to quiet the crowd.
Again, this is not a real point if you can turn it on its head and it still has no meaning. When is it ever a good thing to not be able to control the pace of the game and slow things down? These points are all so patently obvious they muddle and distort the picture from making any real assessments, like WHY aren't we doing these things, and HOW can we fix them?
exactly which one of those points is bullshit, the floor is open, let's hear you pick it apart.
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George hit the nail on the head, they are all so fucking obvious, so how are you even making an argument? I was a bit quick to dismiss them all as shit, cause the points themselves are not shit, I just think the whole post was shit cause again, who doesn't know these things? How can they even be disproven? They can't be disproven, so it's a shite argument.
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okay, to prove my points as shit your counter arguement is
1. You have to be organised in defense.
>>>When is it good to be unorganized?
you should break down all the arguments on this football forum to 'when is it not good to score more than the opposition?' when we lose or draw. what you gave isn't really a counter arguement nor do they prove the points as 'shit' which is what you said in your post.
we'll take the first point
1. You have to be organised in defense.
a good manager will make sure he chooses two defenders that compliement each other, they will remain as close to each other as not to be pulled out of position giving the opposition a clear run of goal. they can have help from the fullbacks, help from the defensive midfielder but ulitimate the manager dictates how the line set out there stall.
if I see the CB exposed, out of position or generally all over the fucking place then 'When is it good to be unorganized?' just isn't going to cut it for me.
