Oh. And some of his stats are better than the much wanked over Silva.
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The good thing about crossing accuracy stat : what is it measured on?
It's more than one player involved in that. Who's to say downings crosses weren't in a dangerous area, just bent/agbonlahor/shite up top for villa didn't attempt the run?
I agree what's being touted as the fee is too much, but near enough all the players you compared stats with, downing is either a) cheaper b) has better stats or c) n'zogbia. And Charles is a ball greedy tit who wants to skin 4 players whenever he got the ball.
Good player though
It's more than one player involved in that. Who's to say downings crosses weren't in a dangerous area, just bent/agbonlahor/shite up top for villa didn't attempt the run?
I agree what's being touted as the fee is too much, but near enough all the players you compared stats with, downing is either a) cheaper b) has better stats or c) n'zogbia. And Charles is a ball greedy tit who wants to skin 4 players whenever he got the ball.
Good player though
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44931.msg1362551#msg1362551 date=1310241276]
If we were in the CL and had a blank cheque then downing wouldn't be my first choice but I can totally see the thinking of buying someone like downing and I can see why we are paying a premium for him.
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I agree with all of that. It's the size of the premium that's at issue.
If we were in the CL and had a blank cheque then downing wouldn't be my first choice but I can totally see the thinking of buying someone like downing and I can see why we are paying a premium for him.
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I agree with all of that. It's the size of the premium that's at issue.
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[quote author=kingjulian link=topic=44931.msg1362552#msg1362552 date=1310241398]
Yet, we have some claiming here that Downing has to be the one and only player we go after
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No there isn't but carry on making things up to make your point.
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There ya go..
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[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=44931.msg1362330#msg1362330 date=1310214151]
Kenny would be wrong to spend £16M+ on Downing. The fact that he's Kenny's first choice shouldn't mean we become irresponsible.
For all the good Kenny has done, he is still far from infallible, and just because Kenny wants him doesn't mean we all should too.
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has going for our second choice ever worked out for us?
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[quote author=kingjulian link=topic=44931.msg1362552#msg1362552 date=1310241398]
Yet, we have some claiming here that Downing has to be the one and only player we go after
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No there isn't but carry on making things up to make your point.
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There ya go..
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[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=44931.msg1362330#msg1362330 date=1310214151]
Kenny would be wrong to spend £16M+ on Downing. The fact that he's Kenny's first choice shouldn't mean we become irresponsible.
For all the good Kenny has done, he is still far from infallible, and just because Kenny wants him doesn't mean we all should too.
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has going for our second choice ever worked out for us?
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Where's the evidence that he's Kenny's first choice?
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=44931.msg1362563#msg1362563 date=1310242985]
Where's the evidence that he's Kenny's first choice?
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Aren't some people arguing this based on that assumption?
Did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed?
Where's the evidence that he's Kenny's first choice?
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Aren't some people arguing this based on that assumption?
Did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed?
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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=44931.msg1362563#msg1362563 date=1310242985]
Where's the evidence that he's Kenny's first choice?
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Aren't some people arguing this based on that assumption?
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I think you'll find that people are arguing the point that he may be the only viable option. That doesn't make him Kenny's first choice.
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=44931.msg1362563#msg1362563 date=1310242985]
Where's the evidence that he's Kenny's first choice?
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Aren't some people arguing this based on that assumption?
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I think you'll find that people are arguing the point that he may be the only viable option. That doesn't make him Kenny's first choice.
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[quote author=kingjulian link=topic=44931.msg1362564#msg1362564 date=1310243116]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=44931.msg1362563#msg1362563 date=1310242985]
Where's the evidence that he's Kenny's first choice?
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Aren't some people arguing this based on that assumption?
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I think you'll find that people are arguing the point that he may be the only viable option. That doesn't make him Kenny's first choice.
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What is wrong with you man? Are you drunk?
Doesn't that mean pro-Downing gang is thinking he should be the only player we go after as he may be the only viable option? Which was your original point of contentoion.... So what exactly is your point? Are you arguing for the sake of arguing?
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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=44931.msg1362563#msg1362563 date=1310242985]
Where's the evidence that he's Kenny's first choice?
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Aren't some people arguing this based on that assumption?
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I think you'll find that people are arguing the point that he may be the only viable option. That doesn't make him Kenny's first choice.
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What is wrong with you man? Are you drunk?
Doesn't that mean pro-Downing gang is thinking he should be the only player we go after as he may be the only viable option? Which was your original point of contentoion.... So what exactly is your point? Are you arguing for the sake of arguing?
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[quote author=kingjulian link=topic=44931.msg1362564#msg1362564 date=1310243116]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=44931.msg1362563#msg1362563 date=1310242985]
Where's the evidence that he's Kenny's first choice?
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Aren't some people arguing this based on that assumption?
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I think you'll find that people are arguing the point that he may be the only viable option. That doesn't make him Kenny's first choice.
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What is wrong with you man? Are you drunk?
Doesn't that mean pro-Downing gang is thinking he should be the only player we go after
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So what you're saying is, some posters can like Downing as a player but can't prefer someone else ahead of him.
I'm not drunk (yet) but you're making things up and talking through your rectum.
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[quote author=kingjulian link=topic=44931.msg1362564#msg1362564 date=1310243116]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=44931.msg1362563#msg1362563 date=1310242985]
Where's the evidence that he's Kenny's first choice?
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Aren't some people arguing this based on that assumption?
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I think you'll find that people are arguing the point that he may be the only viable option. That doesn't make him Kenny's first choice.
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What is wrong with you man? Are you drunk?
Doesn't that mean pro-Downing gang is thinking he should be the only player we go after
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So what you're saying is, some posters can like Downing as a player but can't prefer someone else ahead of him.
I'm not drunk (yet) but you're making things up and talking through your rectum.
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=44931.msg1362568#msg1362568 date=1310243840]
Kenny might have gone for mata and got knocked back. He's switched his attention to downing
Posters on here don't think we would get mata so therefore we think downing is our only viable, relatively risk free option
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Ya i'm aware...i'm simply asking why did he take exception to what i wrote earlier? It seems consistent enough with the above view.
Kenny might have gone for mata and got knocked back. He's switched his attention to downing
Posters on here don't think we would get mata so therefore we think downing is our only viable, relatively risk free option
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Ya i'm aware...i'm simply asking why did he take exception to what i wrote earlier? It seems consistent enough with the above view.
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=44931.msg1362570#msg1362570 date=1310243889]
So what you're saying is, some posters can like Downing as a player but can't prefer someone else ahead of him.
I'm not drunk (yet) but you're making things up and talking through your rectum.
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I'm actually arguing the opposite...you have simply lost me mate....nice talking to you!
So what you're saying is, some posters can like Downing as a player but can't prefer someone else ahead of him.
I'm not drunk (yet) but you're making things up and talking through your rectum.
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I'm actually arguing the opposite...you have simply lost me mate....nice talking to you!
Fan
Dear Kenny,
Here's my list of who I'd like as our left winger next year.
1. Mata - He's aces
2. Bastos - He's not as aces as the above but I still like him.
3. Downing - Last on my list but I still think he's a decent player
Kenny
Dear fan,
Funnily enough I had the same list as you.
1. Mata - He wants to join a team playing Champions League football
2. Bastos - He's going to Juventus because they're giving him a Fiat Panda as part of the deal.
3. Downing - Wants to come to us, will improve us and while not my first choice, is the only viable option as the other two have spurned our approaches.
Fan
Thanks Kenny.
I too would have preferred Mata or Bastos but realise that Downing is the only viable option available to you.
Dear Kenny,
Here's my list of who I'd like as our left winger next year.
1. Mata - He's aces
2. Bastos - He's not as aces as the above but I still like him.
3. Downing - Last on my list but I still think he's a decent player
Kenny
Dear fan,
Funnily enough I had the same list as you.
1. Mata - He wants to join a team playing Champions League football
2. Bastos - He's going to Juventus because they're giving him a Fiat Panda as part of the deal.
3. Downing - Wants to come to us, will improve us and while not my first choice, is the only viable option as the other two have spurned our approaches.
Fan
Thanks Kenny.
I too would have preferred Mata or Bastos but realise that Downing is the only viable option available to you.
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=44931.msg1362572#msg1362572 date=1310243977]
Good question kenny
Not sure. He's a good player and we would improve dramatically with him, but it's a lot to pay...
Then again its not my Money. Buy him
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Under those circumstances i'd sign him as well Fabs. Thinking about who would play at LW if we didn't sign anyone would simply be to depressing.
Good question kenny
Not sure. He's a good player and we would improve dramatically with him, but it's a lot to pay...
Then again its not my Money. Buy him
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Under those circumstances i'd sign him as well Fabs. Thinking about who would play at LW if we didn't sign anyone would simply be to depressing.
Sheik, there's a flaw in your logic as King Julian will surely point out: why aren't we the type of club who buys Fiat Pandas for our players? Eh?
'Cos Andy Carroll would want to take it out drinking with him Gene.
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=44931.msg1362574#msg1362574 date=1310244148]
But kj you make it sound like we're screaming THERES NO ONE ELSE. But we're not. We think downing is realistic. That's it. People then proceed to roundly mock downing for how he performed years ago and misconceptions (E.g slow)
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Firstly, although I don't like Downing. I have not mocked him. I've tried to compare him with players of his calibre. Riera / Martin Petrov etc and the values at which their transfers were completed in the past few years or when Aston Villa bought Downing himself just a year ago and just questioning the validity of the suggestion that we dump 20 million on him considering all those things.
Secondly, i also questioned the validity of the circular reasoning that was used to justify why Downing may be the only realistic option.
Even assuming no foreign player wants to come to us, there are simply other wingers in the EPL who offer better value-for money as per the stats i posted.
After all that, i have not seen a meaningful argument to debate any of those point, but someone is collaring me for going over-board on your stand point....for making it appear like you were screaming "THERE'S NO ONE ELSE" in one glib line i had written....
*I probably need to take a break from this thread...
But kj you make it sound like we're screaming THERES NO ONE ELSE. But we're not. We think downing is realistic. That's it. People then proceed to roundly mock downing for how he performed years ago and misconceptions (E.g slow)
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Firstly, although I don't like Downing. I have not mocked him. I've tried to compare him with players of his calibre. Riera / Martin Petrov etc and the values at which their transfers were completed in the past few years or when Aston Villa bought Downing himself just a year ago and just questioning the validity of the suggestion that we dump 20 million on him considering all those things.
Secondly, i also questioned the validity of the circular reasoning that was used to justify why Downing may be the only realistic option.
Even assuming no foreign player wants to come to us, there are simply other wingers in the EPL who offer better value-for money as per the stats i posted.
After all that, i have not seen a meaningful argument to debate any of those point, but someone is collaring me for going over-board on your stand point....for making it appear like you were screaming "THERE'S NO ONE ELSE" in one glib line i had written....
*I probably need to take a break from this thread...
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=44931.msg1362583#msg1362583 date=1310245084]
This is an interesting debate. It's astounding that some posters think they know more about players' abilities, valuations and what Liverpool need more than King Kenny. If KK wants him, that's more than good enough for me.
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To be fair, he did buy Nicky Tanner.
This is an interesting debate. It's astounding that some posters think they know more about players' abilities, valuations and what Liverpool need more than King Kenny. If KK wants him, that's more than good enough for me.
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To be fair, he did buy Nicky Tanner.
[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=44931.msg1362584#msg1362584 date=1310245318]
Nothing wrong with people having doubts over some of our signings just because Kenny is the one making the call mate.
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Well I think there's a lot wrong with it especially before they have kicked a ball for us. They said we overpaid for Beardsley, Aldridge wouldn't make the step up from Oxford and Barnes was inconsistent. We all know what happened next. Doubt the King at your peril, say 🙂
Nothing wrong with people having doubts over some of our signings just because Kenny is the one making the call mate.
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Well I think there's a lot wrong with it especially before they have kicked a ball for us. They said we overpaid for Beardsley, Aldridge wouldn't make the step up from Oxford and Barnes was inconsistent. We all know what happened next. Doubt the King at your peril, say 🙂
I agree with KK, if we buy him, then we can only assess whether he's been a waste of money or not by the end of the season. At least.
Don't get me wrong kj, there are other players is rather have, but I know we won't get them when we can't offer Europe or stupid wages. There probably some who still would come, but won't be as talented. Hell, there might be something cheaper, better player than downing but I don't trust our scouting to find him. Best we've managed in that position was leto, but he didn't want to stay/couldn't get a permit.
I just don't see us not improving with downing.
I just don't see us not improving with downing.
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=44931.msg1362588#msg1362588 date=1310245962]
. Hell, there might be something cheaper, better player than downing but I don't trust our scouting to find him.
I just don't see us not improving with downing.
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It makes sense when you put it like that. But if that is indeed the case we must sack Comolli and a few scouting members, because they are not really serving their purpose.
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[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=44931.msg1362584#msg1362584 date=1310245318]
Nothing wrong with people having doubts over some of our signings just because Kenny is the one making the call mate.
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Well I think there's a lot wrong with it especially before they have kicked a ball for us. They said we overpaid for Beardsley, Aldridge wouldn't make the step up from Oxford and Barnes was inconsistent. We all know what happened next. Doubt the King at your peril, say 🙂
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Ha...it's funny cuz who here can raise their hand and say they know that Kenny wants Downing and he is his only viable choice?
Exactly...no body knows shit. Yet we are here arguing Downing as the only viable option. We are arguing cuz some body on the internet posted that view. If Kenny said the same (I'd bet my house he won't say anything that depressing....), we would all probably accept it and be upset about it. "No-one else will come to us" is fed to us by internet personas not.... King Kenny...so there is nothing wrong in debating that politely.
. Hell, there might be something cheaper, better player than downing but I don't trust our scouting to find him.
I just don't see us not improving with downing.
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It makes sense when you put it like that. But if that is indeed the case we must sack Comolli and a few scouting members, because they are not really serving their purpose.
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[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=44931.msg1362584#msg1362584 date=1310245318]
Nothing wrong with people having doubts over some of our signings just because Kenny is the one making the call mate.
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Well I think there's a lot wrong with it especially before they have kicked a ball for us. They said we overpaid for Beardsley, Aldridge wouldn't make the step up from Oxford and Barnes was inconsistent. We all know what happened next. Doubt the King at your peril, say 🙂
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Ha...it's funny cuz who here can raise their hand and say they know that Kenny wants Downing and he is his only viable choice?
Exactly...no body knows shit. Yet we are here arguing Downing as the only viable option. We are arguing cuz some body on the internet posted that view. If Kenny said the same (I'd bet my house he won't say anything that depressing....), we would all probably accept it and be upset about it. "No-one else will come to us" is fed to us by internet personas not.... King Kenny...so there is nothing wrong in debating that politely.
[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=44931.msg1362591#msg1362591 date=1310246312]
Goes without saying.
Still don't see the problem with not agreeing with everything we're doing in the transfer market just becuase its KK leading the way. It's not like he or any other manager in the game hasnt made plenty of mistakes in this area.
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Ha ha Implicit in that argument is that you know more than KK. 🙂 We'll only know if that's a mistake after the event. It's very unlikely that Downing will fail , as he 'succeeded' at Villa with players around him not as talented.
Goes without saying.
Still don't see the problem with not agreeing with everything we're doing in the transfer market just becuase its KK leading the way. It's not like he or any other manager in the game hasnt made plenty of mistakes in this area.
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Ha ha Implicit in that argument is that you know more than KK. 🙂 We'll only know if that's a mistake after the event. It's very unlikely that Downing will fail , as he 'succeeded' at Villa with players around him not as talented.
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