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Dortmund - Liverpool pre match thread

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We sit back and we are doomed really. Dortmund was down 2-1 in their last match at the 80th minute. The leading team sat back to defend and it was 3-2 at the end.

Not wanting to start a full blown Moreno debate but constantly tearing down the left and leaving some gaps at the back must be a management's decision?? Granted he could do better defensively but there are no other players in the club, not even Milner, who could perform this role any better.
Well that really is a matter of opinion because for this match I'd take Gomez, Smith, Clyne & Flanno (in that order) over him at LB. His pace can be valuable in attack but the number of fouls he gives away, and his lack of positional sense means we'll always be suspect defensively. Besides which Smith is the fastest player we have at the club and he can also cross better than Moreno.
 
Well that really is a matter of opinion because for this match I'd take Gomez, Smith, Clyne & Flanno (in that order) over him at LB. His pace can be valuable in attack but the number of fouls he gives away, and his lack of positional sense means we'll always be suspect defensively. Besides which Smith is the fastest player we have at the club and he can also cross better than Moreno.

Can't take you seriously when you prefer an injured player over Moreno.

This is Dortmund we are talking about here, not the harlem globetrotters.
 
Well that really is a matter of opinion because for this match I'd take Gomez, Smith, Clyne & Flanno (in that order) over him at LB. His pace can be valuable in attack but the number of fouls he gives away, and his lack of positional sense means we'll always be suspect defensively. Besides which Smith is the fastest player we have at the club and he can also cross better than Moreno.
Gomez injured and Flanno not registered for Europe. So with Clyne on the right you basically prefers Smith over Moreno. Fair shout but has Smith really impressed that much?
 
We sit back and we are doomed really. Dortmund was down 2-1 in their last match at the 80th minute. The leading team sat back to defend and it was 3-2 at the end.

Not wanting to start a full blown Moreno debate but constantly tearing down the left and leaving some gaps at the back must be a management's decision?? Granted he could do better defensively but there are no other players in the club, not even Milner, who could perform this role any better.


The forwards must love busting a gut to get in the box as he tears down the left only to watch his crosses sail harmlessly over their heads ceding possession.
 
Well that really is a matter of opinion because for this match I'd take Gomez, Smith, Clyne & Flanno (in that order) over him at LB. His pace can be valuable in attack but the number of fouls he gives away, and his lack of positional sense means we'll always be suspect defensively. Besides which Smith is the fastest player we have at the club and he can also cross better than Moreno.

I like the prospect of Smith, but his positional sense is as bad as Moreno's in alot of ways.

Anyway, Dortmund have loads of pace, we're shit on the counter and we also can't just sit back because our defenders aren't good enough. So we're fucked, unless our front three turn it on.
 
Can't take you seriously when you prefer an injured player over Moreno.

This is Dortmund we are talking about here, not the harlem globetrotters.
I was talking of Moreno's qualities, or lack of. However if you want to side-step the debate by ignoring the others in the list then that's your business. I've already said I'd take Smith over Moreno any day for Dortmund, didn't realise Flanno was not registered.
 
I'd go Mourinho / Big Sam on this one.

Pressing is a high risk strategy - to do it against a team with a number of players who can pick passes to undo it could turn out to be a disaster.

The thoughts of Reus or Aubemayang getting the ball with only our centre backs in front of them scares me.
I don't think we have the discipline or the defensive personnel to play that kind of game. Whereas the odd occasion when we're fired up, we can play the pressing game quite well.
 
An article from a few months ago on Dortmunds tactical change under Tuchel

Tuchel’s Tactical Positioning Revs Borussia Dortmund’s High-Powered Attack http://bundesligafanatic.com/tuchels-tactical-positioning-revs-borussia-dortmunds-high-powered-attack/


Borussia Dortmund have been amazing to say the least, in the first half of the 2015-16 season. It’s only half a season, yet Dortmund have scored a whopping 85 goals in all competitions which, astonishingly, is seven more than they managed all of last season.

New head coach Thomas Tuchel has changed the commonly used ‘Gegenpressing’ philosophy of Dortmund, which was used by Jurgen Klopp. Tuchel’s new game model of positional play (translated from the Spanish juego de posición) makes them unique in a league dominated by pressing and counterattacking teams.

Positional play focuses on generating numerical superiority through set patterns of movement, proper spacing and connections among attackers and an emphasis on ball retention and circulation. It’s a broad way of describing a choreographed system of play that every coach tweaks to his needs.

While, Jurgen Klopp’s Dortmund used to play out from the back and were much more direct, Tuchel focuses on not just having possession for the sake of it but to have purposeful possession and it comes naturally with the team boasting players like Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang, Marco Reus and Henrikh Mkhitaryan, who don’t just have the pace but also have the willingness to pose a threat in behind the defense.
 
Major problems at CB and lb for this one (which need to be sorted in the summer). The rest of the team pretty much picks itself when fit.
Think I'd go for something random like milner lb and kolo CB.
 
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Clyne--Lovren---Sakho--Moreno-
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------Henderson--Milner------------
--Lallana------Firmino-----Coutinho
 
I think they'll score, quite probably more than once. Therefore we must score at least one to give us a fighting chance in the 2nd leg. If we sit back we're fucked. Our best option has to be to take the game to them regardless of the risks of being caught on the counter. Anyway if they counter can't we counter the counter?
 
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I was talking of Moreno's qualities, or lack of. However if you want to side-step the debate by ignoring the others in the list then that's your business. I've already said I'd take Smith over Moreno any day for Dortmund, didn't realise Flanno was not registered.

You said you will start Gomez and Flanno in THIS game ahead of Moreno. Not sure how i can not side step this?

I have never been a fan of playing a right sided defender on the left. Some could do it obviously but the last time Clyne played on the left it was 3-2 Southampton. He is better on the right so why weaken a position to gamble on another?

Smith is a fair point but then again, when was the last time he even played? Even as a sub? There is no chance of him starting.
 
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That's brilliant.

Weren't the home fans all cheering for us when we beat Alaves there in the UEFA Cup Final in the Treble season?
 
You said you will start Gomez and Flanno in THIS game ahead of Moreno. Not sure how i can not side step this?

I have never been a fan of playing a right sided defender on the left. Some could do it obviously but the last time Clyne played on the left it was 3-2 Southampton. He is better on the right so why weaken a position to gamble on another?

Smith is a fair point but then again, when was the last time he even played? Even as a sub? There is no chance of him starting.
You're quite right. So I did - no idea what I thinking there ! Crossed wires, otherwise known as a brain fart. My apologies !

I was of course (I knew what I meant) referring to LBs at the club, though I'd still go with Smith for Dortmund. He might not have played for us recently but he played for Australia in the recent internationals and was reputedly excellent.
 
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