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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=32819.msg846472#msg846472 date=1239874583]
drogba uses raw power but I feel sorry for the defenders he is up against because most of the time they attempt to stand their ground and he just pitches forwards gaining a foul. if crouch attempted to do the same thing he'd get punished, no two ways about it.
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Yeah, that's where Drogba uses his pace to full effect, rightly or wrongly, it's a surefire way of drawing a foul. If Crouch did it it would just look ridiculous because of how slow he is.
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=32819.msg846469#msg846469 date=1239874491]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=32819.msg846460#msg846460 date=1239873585]

that's how I saw it as well, drogba dominted agger in the first leg and agger snuffed him out second leg.
this time around drogba has the freedom of the park in both ties with skrtal (and to a lesser extent carra) failing to get to grips with him.
[/quote]

That's so wide of the mark. Agger got overpowered at Stamford Bridge, we kept possession better in their half at Anfield and snuffed out their supply, the only reason Agger got the plaudits was (once again) for scoring a goal rather than any defensive heroics.

Skrtel, for all his soul responsibility for giving Drogba the freedom of the park the other night (even though one goal came from the left, with Pepe and Aurelio largely at fault), was the main reason we got beat there last season. As soon as he went off the game changed for the worse. He played very well against Drogba.

The whole backline aren't functioning too well as a unit, blame it on collective form and fatigue or whatever, for the most part the same backline has been excellent this season.
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skrtal was at fault for the goal because he shouldn't have let drogba move ahead of him to recieve the ball, skrtal didn't put enough pressure on drogba to put him off.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=32819.msg846474#msg846474 date=1239874707]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=32819.msg846469#msg846469 date=1239874491]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=32819.msg846460#msg846460 date=1239873585]

that's how I saw it as well, drogba dominted agger in the first leg and agger snuffed him out second leg.
this time around drogba has the freedom of the park in both ties with skrtal (and to a lesser extent carra) failing to get to grips with him.
[/quote]

That's so wide of the mark. Agger got overpowered at Stamford Bridge, we kept possession better in their half at Anfield and snuffed out their supply, the only reason Agger got the plaudits was (once again) for scoring a goal rather than any defensive heroics.

Skrtel, for all his soul responsibility for giving Drogba the freedom of the park the other night (even though one goal came from the left, with Pepe and Aurelio largely at fault), was the main reason we got beat there last season. As soon as he went off the game changed for the worse. He played very well against Drogba.

The whole backline aren't functioning too well as a unit, blame it on collective form and fatigue or whatever, for the most part the same backline has been excellent this season.
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skrtal was at fault for the goal because he shouldn't have let drogba move ahead of him to recieve the ball, skrtal didn't put enough pressure on drogba to put him off.
[/quote]

That was in a minuscule moment that cost us. It was great quick cross in from Anelka, ultimately Reina should have covered the near post and someone should have been on the player behind him. Skrtel did enough to narrow the angle, there was no way even the deftest of touches should have seen the ball go in like that, it was a basic goalkeeping error, you always cover the near post in that kind of position, but heh, it seems a given that Skrtel will get the blame, despite the other two Liverpool players involved in the move (the player on Anelka who allowed the cross, and Pepe who made a howler).

Your hatred of Skrtel and willingness to pick him out in every potential threatening situation is a joke, did you even look at the other players roles in the goals?

Yeah he's made mistakes and is in poor form, as are Aurelio and Arbeloa, while Carra looks thoroughly shagged out, but as said, for the most part, with him in defence we've looked defensively sound.
 
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=32819.msg846472#msg846472 date=1239874583]
drogba uses raw power but I feel sorry for the defenders he is up against because most of the time they attempt to stand their ground and he just pitches forwards gaining a foul. if crouch attempted to do the same thing he'd get punished, no two ways about it.
[/quote]

Yeah, that's where Drogba uses his pace to full effect, rightly or wrongly, it's a surefire way of drawing a foul. If Crouch did it it would just look ridiculous because of how slow he is.
[/quote]

no I mean when drogba has his back to goal with a defender behind him, he backs in and backs in, the defender tries to stand his ground (carra on tuesday) drogba pitches forwards, foul. up steps alex, goal.
if crouch was backing in like that would he get away with it?
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=32819.msg846482#msg846482 date=1239875663]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=32819.msg846473#msg846473 date=1239874696]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=32819.msg846472#msg846472 date=1239874583]
drogba uses raw power but I feel sorry for the defenders he is up against because most of the time they attempt to stand their ground and he just pitches forwards gaining a foul. if crouch attempted to do the same thing he'd get punished, no two ways about it.
[/quote]

Yeah, that's where Drogba uses his pace to full effect, rightly or wrongly, it's a surefire way of drawing a foul. If Crouch did it it would just look ridiculous because of how slow he is.
[/quote]

no I mean when drogba has his back to goal with a defender behind him, he backs in and backs in, the defender tries to stand his ground (carra on tuesday) drogba pitches forwards, foul. up steps alex, goal.
if crouch was backing in like that would he get away with it?
[/quote]

Well it's the same kind of logic, it would still look ridiculous because of how tall he is. If he's getting pulled back, where's he getting pulled back from? The top of his shorts?
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=32819.msg846478#msg846478 date=1239875233]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=32819.msg846474#msg846474 date=1239874707]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=32819.msg846469#msg846469 date=1239874491]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=32819.msg846460#msg846460 date=1239873585]

that's how I saw it as well, drogba dominted agger in the first leg and agger snuffed him out second leg.
this time around drogba has the freedom of the park in both ties with skrtal (and to a lesser extent carra) failing to get to grips with him.
[/quote]

That's so wide of the mark. Agger got overpowered at Stamford Bridge, we kept possession better in their half at Anfield and snuffed out their supply, the only reason Agger got the plaudits was (once again) for scoring a goal rather than any defensive heroics.

Skrtel, for all his soul responsibility for giving Drogba the freedom of the park the other night (even though one goal came from the left, with Pepe and Aurelio largely at fault), was the main reason we got beat there last season. As soon as he went off the game changed for the worse. He played very well against Drogba.

The whole backline aren't functioning too well as a unit, blame it on collective form and fatigue or whatever, for the most part the same backline has been excellent this season.
[/quote]

skrtal was at fault for the goal because he shouldn't have let drogba move ahead of him to recieve the ball, skrtal didn't put enough pressure on drogba to put him off.
[/quote]

That was in a minuscule moment that cost us. It was great quick cross in from Anelka, ultimately Reina should have covered the near post and someone should have been on the player behind him. Skrtel did enough to narrow the angle, there was no way even the deftest of touches should have seen the ball go in like that, it was a basic goalkeeping error, you always cover the near post in that kind of position, but heh, it seems a given that Skrtel will get the blame, despite the other two Liverpool players involved in the move (the player on Anelka who allowed the cross, and Pepe who made a howler).

Your hatred of Skrtel and willingness to pick him out in every potential threatening situation is a joke, did you even look at the other players roles in the goals?

Yeah he's made mistakes and is in poor form, as are Aurelio and Arbeloa, while Carra looks thoroughly shagged out, but as said, for the most part, with him in defence we've looked defensively sound.
[/quote]

three people were involved,
aurelio - for allowing nico to cross
skrtal - for not putting enough pressure on the ball
pepe - for not covering his near post

its down to opinion who you think was most to blame for the goal.
 
[quote author=Fox link=topic=32819.msg846180#msg846180 date=1239819025]
its not his diving that bothers me, nando dives just as much.

it is the pretending to be injured after every challenge that makes him the biggest cuntish cheat in footy, it even seperates him even from the greasy manc cunt

at least our divers don't do that, some morals at least 😉

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Wash your mouth out with soap and water boy!!!!
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=32819.msg846484#msg846484 date=1239875773]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=32819.msg846482#msg846482 date=1239875663]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=32819.msg846473#msg846473 date=1239874696]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=32819.msg846472#msg846472 date=1239874583]
drogba uses raw power but I feel sorry for the defenders he is up against because most of the time they attempt to stand their ground and he just pitches forwards gaining a foul. if crouch attempted to do the same thing he'd get punished, no two ways about it.
[/quote]

Yeah, that's where Drogba uses his pace to full effect, rightly or wrongly, it's a surefire way of drawing a foul. If Crouch did it it would just look ridiculous because of how slow he is.
[/quote]

no I mean when drogba has his back to goal with a defender behind him, he backs in and backs in, the defender tries to stand his ground (carra on tuesday) drogba pitches forwards, foul. up steps alex, goal.
if crouch was backing in like that would he get away with it?
[/quote]

Well it's the same kind of logic, it would still look ridiculous because of how tall he is. If he's getting pulled back, where's he getting pulled back from? The top of his shorts?
[/quote]

my point is its cheating. its like when players kick the ball past a defender and then run straight into him (the defender) what is the defender supposed to do disappear in a puff of mist. the ref from last night was a joke, what did he expect carra to do not challenge for the ball, that foul was bollox pure and simple.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=32819.msg846485#msg846485 date=1239875826]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=32819.msg846478#msg846478 date=1239875233]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=32819.msg846474#msg846474 date=1239874707]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=32819.msg846469#msg846469 date=1239874491]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=32819.msg846460#msg846460 date=1239873585]

that's how I saw it as well, drogba dominted agger in the first leg and agger snuffed him out second leg.
this time around drogba has the freedom of the park in both ties with skrtal (and to a lesser extent carra) failing to get to grips with him.
[/quote]

That's so wide of the mark. Agger got overpowered at Stamford Bridge, we kept possession better in their half at Anfield and snuffed out their supply, the only reason Agger got the plaudits was (once again) for scoring a goal rather than any defensive heroics.

Skrtel, for all his soul responsibility for giving Drogba the freedom of the park the other night (even though one goal came from the left, with Pepe and Aurelio largely at fault), was the main reason we got beat there last season. As soon as he went off the game changed for the worse. He played very well against Drogba.

The whole backline aren't functioning too well as a unit, blame it on collective form and fatigue or whatever, for the most part the same backline has been excellent this season.
[/quote]

skrtal was at fault for the goal because he shouldn't have let drogba move ahead of him to recieve the ball, skrtal didn't put enough pressure on drogba to put him off.
[/quote]

That was in a minuscule moment that cost us. It was great quick cross in from Anelka, ultimately Reina should have covered the near post and someone should have been on the player behind him. Skrtel did enough to narrow the angle, there was no way even the deftest of touches should have seen the ball go in like that, it was a basic goalkeeping error, you always cover the near post in that kind of position, but heh, it seems a given that Skrtel will get the blame, despite the other two Liverpool players involved in the move (the player on Anelka who allowed the cross, and Pepe who made a howler).

Your hatred of Skrtel and willingness to pick him out in every potential threatening situation is a joke, did you even look at the other players roles in the goals?

Yeah he's made mistakes and is in poor form, as are Aurelio and Arbeloa, while Carra looks thoroughly shagged out, but as said, for the most part, with him in defence we've looked defensively sound.
[/quote]

three people were involved,
aurelio - for allowing nico to cross
skrtal - for not putting enough pressure on the ball
pepe - for not covering his near post

its down to opinion who you think was most to blame for the goal.
[/quote]

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see who made the biggest error. How do you surmise from the above three incidents that Skrtel's part was the worst?

Unless of course you just look for any excuse to criticise him.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=32819.msg846487#msg846487 date=1239875971]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=32819.msg846484#msg846484 date=1239875773]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=32819.msg846482#msg846482 date=1239875663]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=32819.msg846473#msg846473 date=1239874696]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=32819.msg846472#msg846472 date=1239874583]
drogba uses raw power but I feel sorry for the defenders he is up against because most of the time they attempt to stand their ground and he just pitches forwards gaining a foul. if crouch attempted to do the same thing he'd get punished, no two ways about it.
[/quote]

Yeah, that's where Drogba uses his pace to full effect, rightly or wrongly, it's a surefire way of drawing a foul. If Crouch did it it would just look ridiculous because of how slow he is.
[/quote]

no I mean when drogba has his back to goal with a defender behind him, he backs in and backs in, the defender tries to stand his ground (carra on tuesday) drogba pitches forwards, foul. up steps alex, goal.
if crouch was backing in like that would he get away with it?
[/quote]

Well it's the same kind of logic, it would still look ridiculous because of how tall he is. If he's getting pulled back, where's he getting pulled back from? The top of his shorts?
[/quote]

my point is its cheating. its like when players kick the ball past a defender and then run straight into him (the defender) what is the defender supposed to do disappear in a puff of mist. the ref from last night was a joke, what did he expect carra to do not challenge for the ball, that foul was bollox pure and simple.
[/quote]

I won't argue with that, I'm not trying to say it's fair, it's just in saying if Crouch did it he'd get booked is kind of obvious, because he has neither the frame nor the pace to get away with the same tricks Drogba does.
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=32819.msg846488#msg846488 date=1239875993]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=32819.msg846485#msg846485 date=1239875826]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=32819.msg846478#msg846478 date=1239875233]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=32819.msg846474#msg846474 date=1239874707]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=32819.msg846469#msg846469 date=1239874491]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=32819.msg846460#msg846460 date=1239873585]

that's how I saw it as well, drogba dominted agger in the first leg and agger snuffed him out second leg.
this time around drogba has the freedom of the park in both ties with skrtal (and to a lesser extent carra) failing to get to grips with him.
[/quote]

That's so wide of the mark. Agger got overpowered at Stamford Bridge, we kept possession better in their half at Anfield and snuffed out their supply, the only reason Agger got the plaudits was (once again) for scoring a goal rather than any defensive heroics.

Skrtel, for all his soul responsibility for giving Drogba the freedom of the park the other night (even though one goal came from the left, with Pepe and Aurelio largely at fault), was the main reason we got beat there last season. As soon as he went off the game changed for the worse. He played very well against Drogba.

The whole backline aren't functioning too well as a unit, blame it on collective form and fatigue or whatever, for the most part the same backline has been excellent this season.
[/quote]

skrtal was at fault for the goal because he shouldn't have let drogba move ahead of him to recieve the ball, skrtal didn't put enough pressure on drogba to put him off.
[/quote]

That was in a minuscule moment that cost us. It was great quick cross in from Anelka, ultimately Reina should have covered the near post and someone should have been on the player behind him. Skrtel did enough to narrow the angle, there was no way even the deftest of touches should have seen the ball go in like that, it was a basic goalkeeping error, you always cover the near post in that kind of position, but heh, it seems a given that Skrtel will get the blame, despite the other two Liverpool players involved in the move (the player on Anelka who allowed the cross, and Pepe who made a howler).

Your hatred of Skrtel and willingness to pick him out in every potential threatening situation is a joke, did you even look at the other players roles in the goals?

Yeah he's made mistakes and is in poor form, as are Aurelio and Arbeloa, while Carra looks thoroughly shagged out, but as said, for the most part, with him in defence we've looked defensively sound.
[/quote]

three people were involved,
aurelio - for allowing nico to cross
skrtal - for not putting enough pressure on the ball
pepe - for not covering his near post

its down to opinion who you think was most to blame for the goal.
[/quote]

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see who made the biggest error. How do you surmise from the above three incidents that Skrtel's part was the worst?

Unless of course you just look for any excuse to criticise him.
[/quote]

to be honest all three angered me.
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=32819.msg846469#msg846469 date=1239874491]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=32819.msg846460#msg846460 date=1239873585]

that's how I saw it as well, drogba dominted agger in the first leg and agger snuffed him out second leg.
this time around drogba has the freedom of the park in both ties with skrtal (and to a lesser extent carra) failing to get to grips with him.
[/quote]

That's so wide of the mark. Agger got overpowered at Stamford Bridge, we kept possession better in their half at Anfield and snuffed out their supply, the only reason Agger got the plaudits was (once again) for scoring a goal rather than any defensive heroics.

Skrtel, for all his soul responsibility for giving Drogba the freedom of the park the other night (even though one goal came from the left, with Pepe and Aurelio largely at fault), was the main reason we got beat there last season. As soon as he went off the game changed for the worse. He played very well against Drogba last season in the league and the CL.

The whole backline aren't functioning too well as a unit, blame it on collective form and fatigue or whatever, for the most part the same backline has been excellent this season.
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Watch it again. Agger monstered him in the second leg, walking a thin line between persistent fouling and physical defending most of the game.

Skrtel didn't learn his lesson from the first leg this time round.
 
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[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=32819.msg846478#msg846478 date=1239875233]
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[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=32819.msg846469#msg846469 date=1239874491]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=32819.msg846460#msg846460 date=1239873585]

that's how I saw it as well, drogba dominted agger in the first leg and agger snuffed him out second leg.
this time around drogba has the freedom of the park in both ties with skrtal (and to a lesser extent carra) failing to get to grips with him.
[/quote]

That's so wide of the mark. Agger got overpowered at Stamford Bridge, we kept possession better in their half at Anfield and snuffed out their supply, the only reason Agger got the plaudits was (once again) for scoring a goal rather than any defensive heroics.

Skrtel, for all his soul responsibility for giving Drogba the freedom of the park the other night (even though one goal came from the left, with Pepe and Aurelio largely at fault), was the main reason we got beat there last season. As soon as he went off the game changed for the worse. He played very well against Drogba.

The whole backline aren't functioning too well as a unit, blame it on collective form and fatigue or whatever, for the most part the same backline has been excellent this season.
[/quote]

skrtal was at fault for the goal because he shouldn't have let drogba move ahead of him to recieve the ball, skrtal didn't put enough pressure on drogba to put him off.
[/quote]

That was in a minuscule moment that cost us. It was great quick cross in from Anelka, ultimately Reina should have covered the near post and someone should have been on the player behind him. Skrtel did enough to narrow the angle, there was no way even the deftest of touches should have seen the ball go in like that, it was a basic goalkeeping error, you always cover the near post in that kind of position, but heh, it seems a given that Skrtel will get the blame, despite the other two Liverpool players involved in the move (the player on Anelka who allowed the cross, and Pepe who made a howler).

Your hatred of Skrtel and willingness to pick him out in every potential threatening situation is a joke, did you even look at the other players roles in the goals?

Yeah he's made mistakes and is in poor form, as are Aurelio and Arbeloa, while Carra looks thoroughly shagged out, but as said, for the most part, with him in defence we've looked defensively sound.
[/quote]

three people were involved,
aurelio - for allowing nico to cross
skrtal - for not putting enough pressure on the ball
pepe - for not covering his near post

its down to opinion who you think was most to blame for the goal.
[/quote]

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see who made the biggest error. How do you surmise from the above three incidents that Skrtel's part was the worst?

Unless of course you just look for any excuse to criticise him.
[/quote]

to be honest all three angered me.
[/quote]

After I had initially pointed out Aurelio's part in the goal and Reina's gaff, your reply was:

skrtal was at fault for the goal because he shouldn't have let drogba move ahead of him to recieve the ball, skrtal didn't put enough pressure on drogba to put him off.

And now it's as though all three were equally at fault, just so you can get some measure of blame in there on Skrtel? He did what a defender should. He closed down Drogba and narrowed the angle, the rest of the work remained with the goalkeeper then to cover the near post to prevent the ball going in, he got caught in two minds and the ball ricocheted into the net. If he'd covered the near post it would never had happened.
 
[quote author=Paddy link=topic=32819.msg846505#msg846505 date=1239877160]
I really hate when Mark and Neil start a quoting war.
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you love it really 😀
 
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[quote author=the_khl link=topic=32819.msg846461#msg846461 date=1239873673]
S K R T L

🙂
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you tomato and I say tomato you say potato and I say potato,
tomato, tomato, potato, potato, let's call the whole thing off.
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You're both wrong, as per on this subject. It's Skrtel. 😛
 
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[quote author=the_khl link=topic=32819.msg846461#msg846461 date=1239873673]
S K R T L

🙂
[/quote]

you tomato and I say tomato you say potato and I say potato,
tomato, tomato, potato, potato, let's call the whole thing off.
[/quote]

You're both wrong, as per on this subject. It's Skrtel. 😛
[/quote]
Dammit!
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=32819.msg846579#msg846579 date=1239884839]
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[quote author=the_khl link=topic=32819.msg846461#msg846461 date=1239873673]
S K R T L

🙂
[/quote]

you tomato and I say tomato you say potato and I say potato,
tomato, tomato, potato, potato, let's call the whole thing off.
[/quote]

You're both wrong, as per on this subject. It's Skrtel. 😛
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not that spelling his name correctly or incorrectly makes the slightest bit of difference on an internet forum.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=32819.msg846603#msg846603 date=1239886270]
Now there you're right for once, Kneel.
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before zod!
 
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=32819.msg846460#msg846460 date=1239873585]

that's how I saw it as well, drogba dominted agger in the first leg and agger snuffed him out second leg.
this time around drogba has the freedom of the park in both ties with skrtal (and to a lesser extent carra) failing to get to grips with him.
[/quote]

That's so wide of the mark. Agger got overpowered at Stamford Bridge, we kept possession better in their half at Anfield and snuffed out their supply, the only reason Agger got the plaudits was (once again) for scoring a goal rather than any defensive heroics.

Skrtel, for all his soul responsibility for giving Drogba the freedom of the park the other night (even though one goal came from the left, with Pepe and Aurelio largely at fault), was the main reason we got beat there last season. As soon as he went off the game changed for the worse. He played very well against Drogba last season in the league and the CL.

The whole backline aren't functioning too well as a unit, blame it on collective form and fatigue or whatever, for the most part the same backline has been excellent this season.
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No, its not "wide of the mark".

Agger handled Drogba well in that game. Very very well.

Don't try and take that credit away from him.
 
He's not a great finisher, is he?

He had a spectacular 18months, but has since reverted to type.

He fluffed a good few chances against us - unfortunately he was given more.

Chance at the Nou Camp - had to be a goal. Fluffed.

Chance at Stamford Bridge - had to be a goal. Fluffed.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=32819.msg860436#msg860436 date=1241642918]
He's not a great finisher, is he?

He had a spectacular 18months, but has since reverted to type.

He fluffed a good few chances against us - unfortunately he was given more.

Chance at the Nou Camp - had to be a goal. Fluffed.

Chance at Stamford Bridge - had to be a goal. Fluffed.
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the anti-DB!
 
Heh, not really.

He's a fantastic centre-forward and remains one of the best in the game, but it must be said that he's not a great finisher and never has been - that purple patch aside.
 
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