Did we dodge a bullet? Re: David Silva
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He's been great in their last two or three games, by all accounts.
Slow starts by foreign imports are normal, but I don't think we can make a judgement on him just yet.
I would imagine that Tevez might prefer a slightly more robust support than Silva, but he's still banging in goals and if Silva starts to chip in with more I don't think the Shitty fans will be complaining.
The biggest summer signing who is struggling would appear to be Ramires at Chelsea.
Slow starts by foreign imports are normal, but I don't think we can make a judgement on him just yet.
I would imagine that Tevez might prefer a slightly more robust support than Silva, but he's still banging in goals and if Silva starts to chip in with more I don't think the Shitty fans will be complaining.
The biggest summer signing who is struggling would appear to be Ramires at Chelsea.
It's kinda hard to assess his performances considering the fee they paid to get him.
If we paid half as much for a player we'd expect him to set the world alight from the get go.
The whole thing with City owning the market this summer really makes me respect Mourinho even more. Winning the league in his first season with 5-6 new (expensive) players is a great achievement.
If we paid half as much for a player we'd expect him to set the world alight from the get go.
The whole thing with City owning the market this summer really makes me respect Mourinho even more. Winning the league in his first season with 5-6 new (expensive) players is a great achievement.
To be fair to Silva a few of the Spanish players started this season not as fresh as they should have been for obvious reasons and throwing in the inevitable settling in period plus the constantly changing line up at City and its not surprising he hasnt been devastating defences yet, i think with time he will come good but I dont think that will ever amount to being worth what they paid for him, but thats not really the point at City i suppose
If he and Balotelli can produce from Christmas til the end of the season and City get 4th they wont be too bothered, Champions League football will be the final piece of the puzzle in terms of trying to recruit the cream of the worlds talent
If he and Balotelli can produce from Christmas til the end of the season and City get 4th they wont be too bothered, Champions League football will be the final piece of the puzzle in terms of trying to recruit the cream of the worlds talent
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The whole thing with City owning the market this summer really makes me respect Mourinho even more. Winning the league in his first season with 5-6 new (expensive) players is a great achievement.
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Chelsea were a decent side before he arrived and had finished second the season before. It was a different situation he arrived into.
As for Silva, I think he'll improve there.
The whole thing with City owning the market this summer really makes me respect Mourinho even more. Winning the league in his first season with 5-6 new (expensive) players is a great achievement.
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Chelsea were a decent side before he arrived and had finished second the season before. It was a different situation he arrived into.
As for Silva, I think he'll improve there.
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[quote author=Modo link=topic=42909.msg1223075#msg1223075 date=1290589425]
The whole thing with City owning the market this summer really makes me respect Mourinho even more. Winning the league in his first season with 5-6 new (expensive) players is a great achievement.
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Chelsea were a decent side before he arrived and had finished second the season before. It was a different situation he arrived into.
As for Silva, I think he'll improve there.
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Still he didn't buy 5-6 reserves he bought first team players. Robben, Ferreira, Essien, Drogba, Tiago, Carvalho, del Horno were all new to the league and so was Mourinho.
I'm not saying that finishing 2nd the season before is irrelevant but it's impossible to me downplay the other factors.
[quote author=Modo link=topic=42909.msg1223075#msg1223075 date=1290589425]
The whole thing with City owning the market this summer really makes me respect Mourinho even more. Winning the league in his first season with 5-6 new (expensive) players is a great achievement.
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Chelsea were a decent side before he arrived and had finished second the season before. It was a different situation he arrived into.
As for Silva, I think he'll improve there.
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Still he didn't buy 5-6 reserves he bought first team players. Robben, Ferreira, Essien, Drogba, Tiago, Carvalho, del Horno were all new to the league and so was Mourinho.
I'm not saying that finishing 2nd the season before is irrelevant but it's impossible to me downplay the other factors.
Did we fuck. He's quality and about a million miles better than what we've got in that position.
Bren - I've seen Ramires a few times now. He's struggled on occasion and looks hopelessly off premier league pace at the minute, but there's a good player there for definite. His techniques quality. I think he'll come good in the long run.
Bren - I've seen Ramires a few times now. He's struggled on occasion and looks hopelessly off premier league pace at the minute, but there's a good player there for definite. His techniques quality. I think he'll come good in the long run.
Balotelli could well be the disaster of the season. He never seemed that keen on laving Italy in the first place.
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Still he didn't buy 5-6 reserves he bought first team players. Robben, Ferreira, Essien, Drogba, Tiago, Carvalho, del Horno were all new to the league and so was Mourinho.
I'm not saying that finishing 2nd the season before is irrelevant but it's impossible to me downplay the other factors.
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Essien and Del Horno (who failed) were bought in his second summer there. Tiago was a squaddie who never really impressed (one wonder goal aside) and Feirrera, never a top class player, filled a gap at the time in a very good side. Come on.
The true stars he bought were obviously Drogba, Carvalho and Robben who complemented and improved the existing core of players very well and yeah, of course credit is due for that and the way in which they performed in his first two seasons. They were pretty fucking ruthless in the league.
Mourinho is a great manager, but you can't simply brush aside the fact - which are you pretty much are doing - that he inherited a team ready to make the step up. Man City were a dreadful side battling relegation until they started aimlessly throwing money about the place.
Still he didn't buy 5-6 reserves he bought first team players. Robben, Ferreira, Essien, Drogba, Tiago, Carvalho, del Horno were all new to the league and so was Mourinho.
I'm not saying that finishing 2nd the season before is irrelevant but it's impossible to me downplay the other factors.
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Essien and Del Horno (who failed) were bought in his second summer there. Tiago was a squaddie who never really impressed (one wonder goal aside) and Feirrera, never a top class player, filled a gap at the time in a very good side. Come on.
The true stars he bought were obviously Drogba, Carvalho and Robben who complemented and improved the existing core of players very well and yeah, of course credit is due for that and the way in which they performed in his first two seasons. They were pretty fucking ruthless in the league.
Mourinho is a great manager, but you can't simply brush aside the fact - which are you pretty much are doing - that he inherited a team ready to make the step up. Man City were a dreadful side battling relegation until they started aimlessly throwing money about the place.
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Did we fuck. He's quality and about a million miles better than what we've got in that position.
Bren - I've seen Ramires a few times now. He's struggled on occasion and looks hopelessly off premier league pace at the minute, but there's a good player there for definite. His techniques quality. I think he'll come good in the long run.
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He definitely is, but £30 Million? People are still complaining about Aquillani.
Personally, he'd be my first signing next season.
What I'm basically saying is considering the fee the burden on him to perform would be monumental and I don't think he's there yet. I bet Hazard would do a lot better than him. Hell, I'd prefer spending £30 Million on both Navas and Mata.
Did we fuck. He's quality and about a million miles better than what we've got in that position.
Bren - I've seen Ramires a few times now. He's struggled on occasion and looks hopelessly off premier league pace at the minute, but there's a good player there for definite. His techniques quality. I think he'll come good in the long run.
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He definitely is, but £30 Million? People are still complaining about Aquillani.
Personally, he'd be my first signing next season.
What I'm basically saying is considering the fee the burden on him to perform would be monumental and I don't think he's there yet. I bet Hazard would do a lot better than him. Hell, I'd prefer spending £30 Million on both Navas and Mata.
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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=42909.msg1223081#msg1223081 date=1290590221]
Did we fuck. He's quality and about a million miles better than what we've got in that position.
Bren - I've seen Ramires a few times now. He's struggled on occasion and looks hopelessly off premier league pace at the minute, but there's a good player there for definite. His techniques quality. I think he'll come good in the long run.
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He definitely is, but £30 Million? People are still complaining about Aquillani.
Personally, he'd be my first signing next season.
What I'm basically saying is considering the fee the burden on him to perform would be monumental and I don't think he's there yet. I bet Hazard would do a lot better than him. Hell, I'd prefer spending £30 Million on both Navas and Mata.
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What City pays for their players has nothing to do with anything.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=42909.msg1223081#msg1223081 date=1290590221]
Did we fuck. He's quality and about a million miles better than what we've got in that position.
Bren - I've seen Ramires a few times now. He's struggled on occasion and looks hopelessly off premier league pace at the minute, but there's a good player there for definite. His techniques quality. I think he'll come good in the long run.
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He definitely is, but £30 Million? People are still complaining about Aquillani.
Personally, he'd be my first signing next season.
What I'm basically saying is considering the fee the burden on him to perform would be monumental and I don't think he's there yet. I bet Hazard would do a lot better than him. Hell, I'd prefer spending £30 Million on both Navas and Mata.
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What City pays for their players has nothing to do with anything.
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[quote author=Modo link=topic=42909.msg1223080#msg1223080 date=1290590120]
Still he didn't buy 5-6 reserves he bought first team players. Robben, Ferreira, Essien, Drogba, Tiago, Carvalho, del Horno were all new to the league and so was Mourinho.
I'm not saying that finishing 2nd the season before is irrelevant but it's impossible to me downplay the other factors.
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Essien and Del Horno (who failed) were bought in his second summer there. Tiago was a squaddie who never really impressed (one wonder goal aside) and Feirrera, never a top class player, filled a gap at the time in a very good side. Come on.
The true stars he bought were obviously Drogba, Carvalho and Robben who complemented and improved the existing core of players very well and yeah, of course credit is due for that and the way in which they performed in his first two seasons. They were pretty fucking ruthless in the league.
Mourinho is a great manager, but you can't simply brush aside the fact - which are you pretty much are doing - that he inherited a team ready to make the step up. Man City were a dreadful side battling relegation until they started aimlessly throwing money about the place.
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Don't agree regarding Ferreira who played 29 league games in his first season and Tiago who played 34 games, (sorry for throwing stats at you) they were both starters. However that changed the next season especially for Tiago when Chelsea bought Essien.
But hey, point taken.
Here's a twist for ya...
How about Benitez achievement? Winning the CL in his first season with star players Gerrard and erm...I forget the rest.
[quote author=Modo link=topic=42909.msg1223080#msg1223080 date=1290590120]
Still he didn't buy 5-6 reserves he bought first team players. Robben, Ferreira, Essien, Drogba, Tiago, Carvalho, del Horno were all new to the league and so was Mourinho.
I'm not saying that finishing 2nd the season before is irrelevant but it's impossible to me downplay the other factors.
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Essien and Del Horno (who failed) were bought in his second summer there. Tiago was a squaddie who never really impressed (one wonder goal aside) and Feirrera, never a top class player, filled a gap at the time in a very good side. Come on.
The true stars he bought were obviously Drogba, Carvalho and Robben who complemented and improved the existing core of players very well and yeah, of course credit is due for that and the way in which they performed in his first two seasons. They were pretty fucking ruthless in the league.
Mourinho is a great manager, but you can't simply brush aside the fact - which are you pretty much are doing - that he inherited a team ready to make the step up. Man City were a dreadful side battling relegation until they started aimlessly throwing money about the place.
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Don't agree regarding Ferreira who played 29 league games in his first season and Tiago who played 34 games, (sorry for throwing stats at you) they were both starters. However that changed the next season especially for Tiago when Chelsea bought Essien.
But hey, point taken.
Here's a twist for ya...
How about Benitez achievement? Winning the CL in his first season with star players Gerrard and erm...I forget the rest.
[quote author=keniget link=topic=42909.msg1223086#msg1223086 date=1290590880]
[quote author=Modo link=topic=42909.msg1223080#msg1223080 date=1290590120]
Still he didn't buy 5-6 reserves he bought first team players. Robben, Ferreira, Essien, Drogba, Tiago, Carvalho, del Horno were all new to the league and so was Mourinho.
I'm not saying that finishing 2nd the season before is irrelevant but it's impossible to me downplay the other factors.
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Essien and Del Horno (who failed) were bought in his second summer there. Tiago was a squaddie who never really impressed (one wonder goal aside) and Feirrera, never a top class player, filled a gap at the time in a very good side. Come on.
The true stars he bought were obviously Drogba, Carvalho and Robben who complemented and improved the existing core of players very well and yeah, of course credit is due for that and the way in which they performed in his first two seasons. They were pretty fucking ruthless in the league.
Mourinho is a great manager, but you can't simply brush aside the fact - which are you pretty much are doing - that he inherited a team ready to make the step up. Man City were a dreadful side battling relegation until they started aimlessly throwing money about the place.
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Ranieri signed Cech and Robben just before he left. Both players had exellent first seasons.
[quote author=Modo link=topic=42909.msg1223080#msg1223080 date=1290590120]
Still he didn't buy 5-6 reserves he bought first team players. Robben, Ferreira, Essien, Drogba, Tiago, Carvalho, del Horno were all new to the league and so was Mourinho.
I'm not saying that finishing 2nd the season before is irrelevant but it's impossible to me downplay the other factors.
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Essien and Del Horno (who failed) were bought in his second summer there. Tiago was a squaddie who never really impressed (one wonder goal aside) and Feirrera, never a top class player, filled a gap at the time in a very good side. Come on.
The true stars he bought were obviously Drogba, Carvalho and Robben who complemented and improved the existing core of players very well and yeah, of course credit is due for that and the way in which they performed in his first two seasons. They were pretty fucking ruthless in the league.
Mourinho is a great manager, but you can't simply brush aside the fact - which are you pretty much are doing - that he inherited a team ready to make the step up. Man City were a dreadful side battling relegation until they started aimlessly throwing money about the place.
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Ranieri signed Cech and Robben just before he left. Both players had exellent first seasons.
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Don't agree regarding Ferreira who played 29 league games in his first season and Tiago who played 34 games, (sorry for throwing stats at you) they were both starters. However that changed the next season especially for Tiago when Chelsea bought Essien.
But hey, point taken.
Here's a twist for ya...
How about Benitez achievement? Winning the CL in his first season with star players Gerrard and erm...I forget the rest.
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No need to apologize (largely because it doesn't really aid your argument in any way). I already said Ferreira filled that RB slot for them - he didn't last there though because he isn't a top player. Tiago was a bit of failed experiment - Mourinho's Lucas if you will. He started 21 games in the league. Squad player.
I have no idea where you're going with your 'twist'.
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Ranieri signed Cech and Robben just before he left. Both players had exellent first seasons.
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Oh yeah, forgot about that.
Don't agree regarding Ferreira who played 29 league games in his first season and Tiago who played 34 games, (sorry for throwing stats at you) they were both starters. However that changed the next season especially for Tiago when Chelsea bought Essien.
But hey, point taken.
Here's a twist for ya...
How about Benitez achievement? Winning the CL in his first season with star players Gerrard and erm...I forget the rest.
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No need to apologize (largely because it doesn't really aid your argument in any way). I already said Ferreira filled that RB slot for them - he didn't last there though because he isn't a top player. Tiago was a bit of failed experiment - Mourinho's Lucas if you will. He started 21 games in the league. Squad player.
I have no idea where you're going with your 'twist'.
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Ranieri signed Cech and Robben just before he left. Both players had exellent first seasons.
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Oh yeah, forgot about that.
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[quote author=Modo link=topic=42909.msg1223090#msg1223090 date=1290591451]
Don't agree regarding Ferreira who played 29 league games in his first season and Tiago who played 34 games, (sorry for throwing stats at you) they were both starters. However that changed the next season especially for Tiago when Chelsea bought Essien.
But hey, point taken.
Here's a twist for ya...
How about Benitez achievement? Winning the CL in his first season with star players Gerrard and erm...I forget the rest.
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No need to apologize (largely because it doesn't really aid your argument in any way). I already said Ferreira filled that RB slot for them - he didn't last there though because he isn't a top player. Tiago was a bit of failed experiment - Mourinho's Lucas if you will. He started 21 games in the league. Squad player.
I have no idea where you're going with your 'twist'.
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Ranieri signed Cech and Robben just before he left. Both players had exellent first seasons.
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Oh yeah, forgot about that.
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Started 21 games in the league? Doesn't look like a squad player to me.
My twist, well it's that Benitez also did something brilliant but that's another matter.
[quote author=Modo link=topic=42909.msg1223090#msg1223090 date=1290591451]
Don't agree regarding Ferreira who played 29 league games in his first season and Tiago who played 34 games, (sorry for throwing stats at you) they were both starters. However that changed the next season especially for Tiago when Chelsea bought Essien.
But hey, point taken.
Here's a twist for ya...
How about Benitez achievement? Winning the CL in his first season with star players Gerrard and erm...I forget the rest.
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No need to apologize (largely because it doesn't really aid your argument in any way). I already said Ferreira filled that RB slot for them - he didn't last there though because he isn't a top player. Tiago was a bit of failed experiment - Mourinho's Lucas if you will. He started 21 games in the league. Squad player.
I have no idea where you're going with your 'twist'.
[quote author=ILD link=topic=42909.msg1223092#msg1223092 date=1290591627]
Ranieri signed Cech and Robben just before he left. Both players had exellent first seasons.
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Oh yeah, forgot about that.
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Started 21 games in the league? Doesn't look like a squad player to me.
My twist, well it's that Benitez also did something brilliant but that's another matter.
I didn't think Silva would be at all suited to our league, but when I've seen him so far he's looked extremely good. When they were being outplayed at Blackpool he came on and changed the game completely. I'm preparing to eat humble pie on the Silva deal to be honest, though it is still early days.
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Bren - I've seen Ramires a few times now. He's struggled on occasion and looks hopelessly off premier league pace at the minute, but there's a good player there for definite. His techniques quality. I think he'll come good in the long run.
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I'm not sure about his technique. Quite often his control is shocking and even his short passing is wayward. The best I can say about him is that he has great stamina and can run all day. He's a very limited footballer on the evidence so far. He's Chelsea's Lucas, and the more he plays in that team, the less successful they will be.
Luckily for them, unlike Lucas, there's plenty of better midfield options waiting to return and take his place.
Bren - I've seen Ramires a few times now. He's struggled on occasion and looks hopelessly off premier league pace at the minute, but there's a good player there for definite. His techniques quality. I think he'll come good in the long run.
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I'm not sure about his technique. Quite often his control is shocking and even his short passing is wayward. The best I can say about him is that he has great stamina and can run all day. He's a very limited footballer on the evidence so far. He's Chelsea's Lucas, and the more he plays in that team, the less successful they will be.
Luckily for them, unlike Lucas, there's plenty of better midfield options waiting to return and take his place.
I don't get it? Whenever I've seen him he's been class. Quality player. Wish we'd signed him.
I've been waiting for Bunny to rub Silva in my face for weeks.
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[quote author=Modo link=topic=42909.msg1223075#msg1223075 date=1290589425]
The whole thing with City owning the market this summer really makes me respect Mourinho even more. Winning the league in his first season with 5-6 new (expensive) players is a great achievement.
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Chelsea were a decent side before he arrived and had finished second the season before. It was a different situation he arrived into.
As for Silva, I think he'll improve there.
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Still he didn't buy 5-6 reserves he bought first team players. Robben, Ferreira, Essien, Drogba, Tiago, Carvalho, del Horno were all new to the league and so was Mourinho.
I'm not saying that finishing 2nd the season before is irrelevant but it's impossible to me downplay the other factors.
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I'm not disputing Mourinho's achievements but I think you're getting things a little mixed up here.
I think given the choice between having a meagre transfer budget - and having to make do with the players you've got, and having, say, £140m to spend on world class players in your first season (for a squad that came 2nd the previous season), you'd probably opt for the latter. It was hardly the harshest of conditions to be working under, was it?
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[quote author=Modo link=topic=42909.msg1223075#msg1223075 date=1290589425]
The whole thing with City owning the market this summer really makes me respect Mourinho even more. Winning the league in his first season with 5-6 new (expensive) players is a great achievement.
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Chelsea were a decent side before he arrived and had finished second the season before. It was a different situation he arrived into.
As for Silva, I think he'll improve there.
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Still he didn't buy 5-6 reserves he bought first team players. Robben, Ferreira, Essien, Drogba, Tiago, Carvalho, del Horno were all new to the league and so was Mourinho.
I'm not saying that finishing 2nd the season before is irrelevant but it's impossible to me downplay the other factors.
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I'm not disputing Mourinho's achievements but I think you're getting things a little mixed up here.
I think given the choice between having a meagre transfer budget - and having to make do with the players you've got, and having, say, £140m to spend on world class players in your first season (for a squad that came 2nd the previous season), you'd probably opt for the latter. It was hardly the harshest of conditions to be working under, was it?
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There's been talk on this forum about signing him before he joined Man C, but he hasn't impressed at all IMO.
Sure this is his first season but with our renowned tolerance for new players would he have lasted this long at LFC without Brendan calling him a c*nt.
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Nope, you're talking nonsense my good Sir.
There's been talk on this forum about signing him before he joined Man C, but he hasn't impressed at all IMO.
Sure this is his first season but with our renowned tolerance for new players would he have lasted this long at LFC without Brendan calling him a c*nt.
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Nope, you're talking nonsense my good Sir.
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I wanted him here when he was around the £12-15M mark, but even then I accepted it was a risk.
He's had a fairly quiet start to Premier League life, but his quality is obvious to all. He'll get better, certainly.
He's had a fairly quiet start to Premier League life, but his quality is obvious to all. He'll get better, certainly.
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