David Silva - the new Luis Garcia? Minus the goals

[MaschedUp]

[quote author=rage link=topic=33906.msg882455#msg882455 date=1244149208]

whatever u know, i know and everyone else on here knows rafa would be blaming parry as he has done publicly in the past

barry was a target and he ends up at city.

silva is a target to the point rafa met him this week but his agent is talking wages in madrid

its not as easy as u thought eh rafa this transfer business?
[/quote]

So you won't admit that Rafa has pretty much had limited budgets for each of the summers since he's been here?

If he was the Mancs or Chelsea manager, he would have been backed to get his first choice targets every single summer.

We would have probably had the likes of Villa, Silva, Simao, Alves by now instead of his first, second or even sometimes his third choice targets.

Yes, he's bought some duds, but that's because of these financial restrictions and limited budgets. We are still not in a position where we can simply add two quality players every summer.

 

[Ryan]

Don't Madrid know that he's slow, diminutive, lacks goals, and that they could probably get Luis Garcia from Atletico - who's essentially the same player - for a significantly lower fee?

A quick Wiki search would have told them all they need to know.

 

[TheBunnyman]

[quote author=Ryan link=topic=33906.msg882561#msg882561 date=1244160195]
Don't Madrid know that he's slow, diminutive, lacks goals, and that they could probably get Luis Garcia from Atletico - who's essentially the same player - for a significantly lower fee?

A quick Wiki search would have told them all they need to know.
[/quote]

Ha.

 

[spider-Neil]

to be fair real's main transfer policy is to bring in BiG NaMeS, garcia hardly fits that bill.

 

[mark1975]

[quote author=MaschedUp link=topic=33906.msg882462#msg882462 date=1244149518]
[quote author=rage link=topic=33906.msg882455#msg882455 date=1244149208]

whatever u know, i know and everyone else on here knows rafa would be blaming parry as he has done publicly in the past

barry was a target and he ends up at city.

silva is a target to the point rafa met him this week but his agent is talking wages in madrid

its not as easy as u thought eh rafa this transfer business?
[/quote]

So you won't admit that Rafa has pretty much had limited budgets for each of the summers since he's been here?

If he was the Mancs or Chelsea manager, he would have been backed to get his first choice targets every single summer.

We would have probably had the likes of Villa, Silva, Simao, Alves by now instead of his first, second or even sometimes his third choice targets.

Yes, he's bought some duds, but that's because of these financial restrictions and limited budgets. We are still not in a position where we can simply add two quality players every summer.
[/quote]

If that's the case, why haven't Chelsea or United gone for these players? They've been linked with at least one of them in the past, so why go for Anelka etc? Why is United's best right back a young twin they picked up?

No one's suggesting we're spending quite on a par with Chelsea, and certainly Madrid and City look like they're throwing the market wide open, but we've been second only to United and Chelsea in recent years and some figures suggest we've spent more than United of late.

This constant making out that Rafa has been held back to the point of it fucking us up is complete bollocks. He spent a gross £40m last Summer and not a penny of that has proven to be well spent (I certainly wouldn't class Riera a big success), so why does he get such undue sympathy?

There have been times when he could have held out from spending and waited for quality to be available. There have been times when he's unnecessarily spent on a position that didn't needed filling, only to leave us short in key roles. And for all this talk of money, managers should be able to adjust to the confinements of a budget, it's what they're paid to do, look at Moyes. He's not half the tactician Rafa is, but he can slowly assemble a squad capable of holding their own and has moulded a tight effective unit on the pitch on pretty much a shoestring.

We have millions invested in youth talent and scouting. Are you telling me we can't find players out there, ala Wenger, fuck even Steve Bruce brought in a few unknown gems last Summer.

 

[Mors]

[quote author=MaschedUp link=topic=33906.msg882462#msg882462 date=1244149518]
[quote author=rage link=topic=33906.msg882455#msg882455 date=1244149208]

whatever u know, i know and everyone else on here knows rafa would be blaming parry as he has done publicly in the past

barry was a target and he ends up at city.

silva is a target to the point rafa met him this week but his agent is talking wages in madrid

its not as easy as u thought eh rafa this transfer business?
[/quote]

So you won't admit that Rafa has pretty much had limited budgets for each of the summers since he's been here?

If he was the Mancs or Chelsea manager, he would have been backed to get his first choice targets every single summer.

We would have probably had the likes of Villa, Silva, Simao, Alves by now instead of his first, second or even sometimes his third choice targets.

Yes, he's bought some duds, but that's because of these financial restrictions and limited budgets. We are still not in a position where we can simply add two quality players every summer.
[/quote]

None of the big players, or any of the players we need have gone anywhere, and we're not even a week into the transfer window. Everyone needs to chill the fuck out.

 

[DCH]

[quote author=Mors link=topic=33906.msg882650#msg882650 date=1244187077]
[quote author=MaschedUp link=topic=33906.msg882462#msg882462 date=1244149518]
[quote author=rage link=topic=33906.msg882455#msg882455 date=1244149208]

whatever u know, i know and everyone else on here knows rafa would be blaming parry as he has done publicly in the past

barry was a target and he ends up at city.

silva is a target to the point rafa met him this week but his agent is talking wages in madrid

its not as easy as u thought eh rafa this transfer business?
[/quote]

So you won't admit that Rafa has pretty much had limited budgets for each of the summers since he's been here?

If he was the Mancs or Chelsea manager, he would have been backed to get his first choice targets every single summer.

We would have probably had the likes of Villa, Silva, Simao, Alves by now instead of his first, second or even sometimes his third choice targets.

Yes, he's bought some duds, but that's because of these financial restrictions and limited budgets. We are still not in a position where we can simply add two quality players every summer.
[/quote]

None of the big players, or any of the players we need have gone anywhere, and we're not even a week into the transfer window. Everyone needs to chill the fuck out.
[/quote]

sure rick ;D

 

[Squiggles]

[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=33906.msg882642#msg882642 date=1244185679]
[quote author=MaschedUp link=topic=33906.msg882462#msg882462 date=1244149518]
[quote author=rage link=topic=33906.msg882455#msg882455 date=1244149208]

whatever u know, i know and everyone else on here knows rafa would be blaming parry as he has done publicly in the past

barry was a target and he ends up at city.

silva is a target to the point rafa met him this week but his agent is talking wages in madrid

its not as easy as u thought eh rafa this transfer business?
[/quote]

So you won't admit that Rafa has pretty much had limited budgets for each of the summers since he's been here?

If he was the Mancs or Chelsea manager, he would have been backed to get his first choice targets every single summer.

We would have probably had the likes of Villa, Silva, Simao, Alves by now instead of his first, second or even sometimes his third choice targets.

Yes, he's bought some duds, but that's because of these financial restrictions and limited budgets. We are still not in a position where we can simply add two quality players every summer.
[/quote]

If that's the case, why haven't Chelsea or United gone for these players? They've been linked with at least one of them in the past, so why go for Anelka etc? Why is United's best right back a young twin they picked up?

No one's suggesting we're spending quite on a par with Chelsea, and certainly Madrid and City look like they're throwing the market wide open, but we've been second only to United and Chelsea in recent years and some figures suggest we've spent more than United of late.

This constant making out that Rafa has been held back to the point of it fucking us up is complete bollocks. He spent a gross £40m last Summer and not a penny of that has proven to be well spent (I certainly wouldn't class Riera a big success), so why does he get such undue sympathy?

There have been times when he could have held out from spending and waited for quality to be available. There have been times when he's unnecessarily spent on a position that didn't needed filling, only to leave us short in key roles. And for all this talk of money, managers should be able to adjust to the confinements of a budget, it's what they're paid to do, look at Moyes. He's not half the tactician Rafa is, but he can slowly assemble a squad capable of holding their own and has moulded a tight effective unit on the pitch on pretty much a shoestring.

We have millions invested in youth talent and scouting. Are you telling me we can't find players out there, ala Wenger, fuck even Steve Bruce brought in a few unknown gems last Summer.
[/quote]

Spot on

 

[rebel23]

Madrid are also linked with Ribery and Ronaldo, as well as buying Kaka and Silva

I just dont get this stupid policy, how are they all going to fit in?

 

[keniget]

[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=33906.msg882784#msg882784 date=1244199721]
Madrid are also linked with Ribery and Ronaldo, as well as buying Kaka and Silva

I just dont get this stupid policy, how are they all going to fit in?
[/quote]

They won't get them all.

 

[Glock21]

They won't sign Ribery if they sign Ronaldo. And when did Silva to Madrid rumour start?

 

[rebel23]

[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=33906.msg882642#msg882642 date=1244185679]
[quote author=MaschedUp link=topic=33906.msg882462#msg882462 date=1244149518]
[quote author=rage link=topic=33906.msg882455#msg882455 date=1244149208]

whatever u know, i know and everyone else on here knows rafa would be blaming parry as he has done publicly in the past

barry was a target and he ends up at city.

silva is a target to the point rafa met him this week but his agent is talking wages in madrid

its not as easy as u thought eh rafa this transfer business?
[/quote]

So you won't admit that Rafa has pretty much had limited budgets for each of the summers since he's been here?

If he was the Mancs or Chelsea manager, he would have been backed to get his first choice targets every single summer.

We would have probably had the likes of Villa, Silva, Simao, Alves by now instead of his first, second or even sometimes his third choice targets.

Yes, he's bought some duds, but that's because of these financial restrictions and limited budgets. We are still not in a position where we can simply add two quality players every summer.
[/quote]

If that's the case, why haven't Chelsea or United gone for these players? They've been linked with at least one of them in the past, so why go for Anelka etc? Why is United's best right back a young twin they picked up?

No one's suggesting we're spending quite on a par with Chelsea, and certainly Madrid and City look like they're throwing the market wide open, but we've been second only to United and Chelsea in recent years and some figures suggest we've spent more than United of late.

This constant making out that Rafa has been held back to the point of it fucking us up is complete bollocks. He spent a gross £40m last Summer and not a penny of that has proven to be well spent (I certainly wouldn't class Riera a big success), so why does he get such undue sympathy?

There have been times when he could have held out from spending and waited for quality to be available. There have been times when he's unnecessarily spent on a position that didn't needed filling, only to leave us short in key roles. And for all this talk of money, managers should be able to adjust to the confinements of a budget, it's what they're paid to do, look at Moyes. He's not half the tactician Rafa is, but he can slowly assemble a squad capable of holding their own and has moulded a tight effective unit on the pitch on pretty much a shoestring.

We have millions invested in youth talent and scouting. Are you telling me we can't find players out there, ala Wenger, fuck even Steve Bruce brought in a few unknown gems last Summer.
[/quote]

Benitez qualifies for the CL every year, we have no right to do that just because we're Liverpool football club especially with the neuvo rich bastards. every manager makes mistakes but also compare to our rivals who can afford to stockpile players and spend much more on wages and also now Man City for whom £40m is chump change

just to give you an example, we spent £90m on wages and Chelsea spent £170m, that's an £80m difference in the teams budgets every year or £400m over 5 seasons (since Benitez has been manager) that is just obscene subsidisation by Abramovich and will be replicated soon by City

 

[keniget]

We've spent more money than everyone below us apart from Chelsea in the last few years - that's why we should be able to expect to qualify for the CL.

 

[rebel23]

[quote author=keniget link=topic=33906.msg882807#msg882807 date=1244201133]
We've spent more money than everyone below us apart from Chelsea in the last few years - that's why we should be able to expect to qualify for the CL.
[/quote]

No we haven't and that's just ridiculous when you consider the gaps in wages to rivals, £400m in 5 years by Chelsea and we've spent 80m net on some players, big wow

what we've spent over the last 5 years City and Chelsea it looks like will spend in 2 months, the Mancs can afford to stockpile players, our failures will get noticed a lot more but no onee talks about Nani or Hargreaves or the kids United bought in Jan, or Berbaflop, that's £80m right there simply because they have a bigger squad

 

[David Byrne]

[quote author=keniget link=topic=33906.msg882807#msg882807 date=1244201133]
We've spent more money than everyone below us apart from Chelsea in the last few years - that's why we should be able to expect to qualify for the CL.
[/quote]

Sounds like something the mancs come out with on Red Cafe. Yes, Rafa has spent a lot of money, more than enough to expect to consistently qualify for the CL, but the notion that he's spent the same as the mancs and should be winning the league is bullshit. It doesn't take into account the existing squads when he took the job, wage structure, or the fact that until the yanks took over he was unable to spend more than 10 million quid on any individual player.

 

[keniget]

[quote author=David Byrne link=topic=33906.msg882810#msg882810 date=1244201508]
Sounds like something the mancs come out with on Red Cafe. Yes, Rafa has spent a lot of money, more than enough to expect to consistently qualify for the CL, but the notion that he's spent the same as the mancs and should be winning the league is bullshit. It doesn't take into account the existing squads when he took the job, wage structure, or the fact that until the yanks took over he was unable to spend more than 10 million quid on any individual player.
[/quote]

Does it now... well, if you read a bit closer, you'll see that I was responding to rebel's talk of qualifying for the CL and not winning the league, so I don't know what you're waffling on for.

 

[keniget]

[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=33906.msg882808#msg882808 date=1244201434]

No we haven't and that's just ridiculous when you consider the gaps in wages to rivals, £400m in 5 years by Chelsea and we've spent 80m net on some players, big wow

what we've spent over the last 5 years City and Chelsea it looks like will spend in 2 months, the Mancs can afford to stockpile players, our failures will get noticed a lot more but no onee talks about Nani or Hargreaves or the kids United bought in Jan, or Berbaflop, that's £80m right there simply because they have a bigger squad

[/quote]

We've spent more than the rest of the teams around us and therefore, we have been rightly able to expect qualification for CL.

You've been quacking on about City for a while now as though they're going to bring about our ruin but that is a new phenomenon.

Up until recently, the CL pretenders have been Everton, Aston Villa and Spurs. If you don't expect to finish above those teams, I really don't know what else to say to you.

 

[Avmenon]

[quote author=David Byrne link=topic=33906.msg882810#msg882810 date=1244201508]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=33906.msg882807#msg882807 date=1244201133]
We've spent more money than everyone below us apart from Chelsea in the last few years - that's why we should be able to expect to qualify for the CL.
[/quote]

Sounds like something the mancs come out with on Red Cafe. Yes, Rafa has spent a lot of money, more than enough to expect to consistently qualify for the CL, but the notion that he's spent the same as the mancs and should be winning the league is bullshit. It doesn't take into account the existing squads when he took the job, wage structure, or the fact that until the yanks took over he was unable to spend more than 10 million quid on any individual player.
[/quote]

Whilst some are not as rabidly against Rafa as a few on here, criticising him does not equate to being a Manc.

Taking into account wage structures and existing squads is fine, it would be a bit fairer to mention too that having taken those into account, many of the players bought have been shit and/or unnecessary.

 

[David Byrne]

[quote author=keniget link=topic=33906.msg882813#msg882813 date=1244202014]
[quote author=David Byrne link=topic=33906.msg882810#msg882810 date=1244201508]
Sounds like something the mancs come out with on Red Cafe. Yes, Rafa has spent a lot of money, more than enough to expect to consistently qualify for the CL, but the notion that he's spent the same as the mancs and should be winning the league is bullshit. It doesn't take into account the existing squads when he took the job, wage structure, or the fact that until the yanks took over he was unable to spend more than 10 million quid on any individual player.
[/quote]

Does it now... well, if you read a bit closer, you'll see that I was responding to rebel's talk of qualifying for the CL and not winning the league, so I don't know what you're waffling on for.
[/quote]

You said last night 'how much does a Liverpool manager need to win the league' impying that he'd had more than enough.

Nonsense I'm afraid. We might be a big club in stature but in terms of financial power we're second tier. The fact that we're even considered challengers is down to the manager's abilities as a coach.

If you can't see that, especially give the latest news about the shambles that is our finances, then I feel sorry for you.

 

[rebel23]

[quote author=keniget link=topic=33906.msg882816#msg882816 date=1244202170]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=33906.msg882808#msg882808 date=1244201434]

No we haven't and that's just ridiculous when you consider the gaps in wages to rivals, £400m in 5 years by Chelsea and we've spent 80m net on some players, big wow

what we've spent over the last 5 years City and Chelsea it looks like will spend in 2 months, the Mancs can afford to stockpile players, our failures will get noticed a lot more but no onee talks about Nani or Hargreaves or the kids United bought in Jan, or Berbaflop, that's £80m right there simply because they have a bigger squad

[/quote]

We've spent more than the rest of the teams around us and therefore, we have been rightly able to expect qualification for CL.

You've been quacking on about City for a while now as though they're going to bring about our ruin but that is a new phenomenon.

Up until recently, the CL pretenders have been Everton, Aston Villa and Spurs. If you don't expect to finish above those teams, I really don't know what else to say to you.
[/quote]

The point is only for 2 years, before 2007 he was severely restricted and even after 2 years of debt fuelled spending 2 of our rivals have matched it and will exceed it in the future.

you dont understand football finances, these things fluctuate, we could spend nothing this year and next year as we go bankrupt and into meltdown but all our rivals will spend big... so in 2 years you can say "since Benitez took over we've only been outspent by City, Chelsea, the Mancs, Portsmouth and Sunderland"

who knows, he might sell Torres to City for £100m and have an average net spend of £0m after 8 years.

 

[David Byrne]

[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=33906.msg882821#msg882821 date=1244202371]
[quote author=David Byrne link=topic=33906.msg882810#msg882810 date=1244201508]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=33906.msg882807#msg882807 date=1244201133]
We've spent more money than everyone below us apart from Chelsea in the last few years - that's why we should be able to expect to qualify for the CL.
[/quote]

Sounds like something the mancs come out with on Red Cafe. Yes, Rafa has spent a lot of money, more than enough to expect to consistently qualify for the CL, but the notion that he's spent the same as the mancs and should be winning the league is bullshit. It doesn't take into account the existing squads when he took the job, wage structure, or the fact that until the yanks took over he was unable to spend more than 10 million quid on any individual player.
[/quote]

Whilst some are not as rabidly against Rafa as a few on here, criticising him does not equate to being a Manc.

Taking into account wage structures and existing squads is fine, it would be a bit fairer to mention too that having taken those into account, many of the players bought have been shit and/or unnecessary.
[/quote]

Who said anyone was a manc?

You can criticise Rafa about his methods all you like, but this myth that he's spent as much as the mancs in recent times belongs with the propaganda spewing bells on Red Cafe.

 

[Avmenon]

I was going to say something in reply, but I've already had this debate with Rafa4PM many times.

Pretty sure this will end up the same way.

 

[keniget]

[quote author=David Byrne link=topic=33906.msg882822#msg882822 date=1244202397]
You said last night 'how much does a Liverpool manager need to win the league' impying that he'd had more than enough.

Nonsense I'm afraid. We might be a big club in stature but in terms of financial power we're second tier. The fact that we're even considered challengers is down to the manager's abilities as a coach.

If you can't see that, especially give the latest news about the shambles that is our finances, then I feel sorry for you.
[/quote]

Ahh, so I can't respond to posts without previous ones being commented on now?

Okay, but for the record, I wasn't actually implying anything - it was a genuine question, which you refused to answer.

 

[keniget]

[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=33906.msg882824#msg882824 date=1244202451] only for 2 years, before 2007 he was severely restricted and even after 2 years of debt fuelled spending 2 of our rivals have matched it and will exceed it in the future.

you dont understand football finances, these things fluctuate, we could spend nothing this year and next year as we go bankrupt and into meltdown but all our rivals will spend big... so in 2 years you can say "since Benitez took over we've only been outspent by City, Chelsea, the Mancs, Portsmouth and Sunderland"

who knows, he might sell Torres to City for £100m and have an average net spend of £0m after 8 years.

[/quote]

Why do you keep avoiding the issue?

Were we wrong to expect CL football in recent years?

 

[David Byrne]

Probably. Opinions are becoming more and more entrenched over Rafa, which is a shame given how far we've come.

Expectation is fine, but this unrealistic demand for the title, while ignoring the relevant financial irregularities, doesn't help matters.

 

[spider-Neil]

this arguement is going to go round and round again but to add my two cents worth

a) rafa has clearly had money to spend
b) manu had a much stronger squad when he arrived so their margin for error in the transfer margin was greater than rafa's.
c) liverpool have spent more than chelsea recently but are people somehow forgetting the half a BILLION they poured into their already top four club.

 

[David Byrne]

[quote author=keniget link=topic=33906.msg882832#msg882832 date=1244202949]
[quote author=David Byrne link=topic=33906.msg882822#msg882822 date=1244202397]
You said last night 'how much does a Liverpool manager need to win the league' impying that he'd had more than enough.

Nonsense I'm afraid. We might be a big club in stature but in terms of financial power we're second tier. The fact that we're even considered challengers is down to the manager's abilities as a coach.

If you can't see that, especially give the latest news about the shambles that is our finances, then I feel sorry for you.
[/quote]

Ahh, so I can't respond to posts without previous ones being commented on now?

Okay, but for the record, I wasn't actually implying anything - it was a genuine question, which you refused to answer.
[/quote]

I'm pretty sure I did but you probably ignored it anyway. Read my previous post on entrenched opinion.

 

[rebel23]

[quote author=keniget link=topic=33906.msg882833#msg882833 date=1244203012]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=33906.msg882824#msg882824 date=1244202451] only for 2 years, before 2007 he was severely restricted and even after 2 years of debt fuelled spending 2 of our rivals have matched it and will exceed it in the future.

you dont understand football finances, these things fluctuate, we could spend nothing this year and next year as we go bankrupt and into meltdown but all our rivals will spend big... so in 2 years you can say "since Benitez took over we've only been outspent by City, Chelsea, the Mancs, Portsmouth and Sunderland"

who knows, he might sell Torres to City for £100m and have an average net spend of £0m after 8 years.

[/quote]

Why do you keep avoiding the issue?

Were we wrong to expect CL football in recent years?
[/quote]

are we just expecting the CL or the title? some people EXPECt the title, i'd be happy with CL qualification every year under the ever changing and fluctuating circumstances

 

[rage]

[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=33906.msg882837#msg882837 date=1244203369]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=33906.msg882833#msg882833 date=1244203012]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=33906.msg882824#msg882824 date=1244202451] only for 2 years, before 2007 he was severely restricted and even after 2 years of debt fuelled spending 2 of our rivals have matched it and will exceed it in the future.

you dont understand football finances, these things fluctuate, we could spend nothing this year and next year as we go bankrupt and into meltdown but all our rivals will spend big... so in 2 years you can say "since Benitez took over we've only been outspent by City, Chelsea, the Mancs, Portsmouth and Sunderland"

who knows, he might sell Torres to City for £100m and have an average net spend of £0m after 8 years.

[/quote]

Why do you keep avoiding the issue?

Were we wrong to expect CL football in recent years?
[/quote]

are we just expecting the CL or the title? some people EXPECt the title, i'd be happy with CL qualification every year under the ever changing and fluctuating circumstances


[/quote]

it's a good job that even rafa has higher expectations then u.

oh and to the new fella - that don't make me a manc either!

 

[keniget]

[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=33906.msg882837#msg882837 date=1244203369]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=33906.msg882833#msg882833 date=1244203012]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=33906.msg882824#msg882824 date=1244202451] only for 2 years, before 2007 he was severely restricted and even after 2 years of debt fuelled spending 2 of our rivals have matched it and will exceed it in the future.

you dont understand football finances, these things fluctuate, we could spend nothing this year and next year as we go bankrupt and into meltdown but all our rivals will spend big... so in 2 years you can say "since Benitez took over we've only been outspent by City, Chelsea, the Mancs, Portsmouth and Sunderland"

who knows, he might sell Torres to City for £100m and have an average net spend of £0m after 8 years.

[/quote]

Why do you keep avoiding the issue?

Were we wrong to expect CL football in recent years?
[/quote]

are we just expecting the CL or the title? some people EXPECt the title, i'd be happy with CL qualification every year under the ever changing and fluctuating circumstances

[/quote]

AVOIDANCE AGAIN REBEL!

YOU TALKED ABOUT US QUALIFYING FOR THE CL - THATS WHAT I WAS RESPONDING TO. NO-ONE HAS MENTIONED THE TITLE APART FROM YOU AND THAT CUNT DAVID.

IN THE LAST THREE YEARS, WAS IT WRONG OF LIVERPOOL FANS TO EXPECT CL QUALIFICATION AHEAD OF TEAMS LIKE SPURS, VILLA AND EVERTON?

ANSWER MY QUESTION.

K? THNX.