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Chinese "Devil Virus" - anyone worried?

Children up to the age of 11 are returning to nurseries and schools across Denmark, as the government becomes the first in Europe to relax coronavirus restrictions on education.
 
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Let's all take a moment during this Pandemic to acknowledge it's primary benefactor.


Bill Gates owns the patent for Coronavirus.

Bill Gates has partial ownership of all 4 biolabs in Wuhan, China. (George Soros has a partial stake in 3).

Bill gates funds the Lieber Foundation which is headed by Charles Lieber, arrested on 28 January 2020 for espionage selling Bioweapons to China, to the same Labs Bill Gates partially owns.

Bill Gates is the primary financier of the World Health Organization. Donating more than $2 Billion over the last decade. The W.H.O. that complimented China and discouraged any 'over-reaction'.

Bill Gates held 'Event 201' in October 2019 simulating a Coronavirus Pandemic, seemingly 30 days prior to the Coronavirus Pandemic. Sponsored by John's Hopkins.

Bill Gates real name is William Henry Gates III, and he is a 12th generation Rockefeller; the Rockefellers own the large majority of healthcare infrastructure throughout the united states, including John's Hopkins which is the official score keeper for Coronavirus.

Bill Gates is on the Epstien Flight Logs.

Bill Gates partnered with Maria Abromovic, staring in Microsoft Commercials. Maria Abromovic is known as the most influential Satanist whom appears in Hillary and Podesta's leaked Emails; she is very specifically connected to pedophilia and torcher in cases such as Epstein, Weinstein, and NXVIM; all of which were brought down as a direct result of Clinton's emails. (Laura Silsbey as well, Clinton Foundation).

Bill Gates father chaired the board of Planned Parenthood; during it's infancy when it was no-secret that it was a eugenics program against colored people.

Bill Gates has been sued and tried criminally in Africa and India (GUILTY) for crimes against humanity by way of forced vaccinations which caused severe side-effects and death.

Bill Gates has publicly stated that he wants to depopulate the planet using vaccines. Now he wants to chip every person on the planet with ID2020, as a digital passport to travel or work.

If you want to know who is behind Coronavirus, it is the same man who's fingerprints are all over it, and who thinks that he is out in front of it.

If these facts don't paint the picture for you, I can't help you. You are already dead.

Can you blame him though? That bat was southern fry crisped.
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And governments plugging the gaps take on debt permanently, permanently putting stress on public services, the taxpayers, and the currency.

It's not just a matter of patience. Not at all.

More so than over 10 years of austerity as a result of 2008, which didn't actually lower the natinonal debt?

As ever it's about how it's spent. Let's remember the £20+ billion pissed away in the same time on failed projects like the NHS and MOD I.T upgrades not fit for design, poorly considered transport and communication schemes (for cities and rural areas, often falling down due to pre-existing connectivity issues), or the quadrupled costs of consultancies for HS2/Heathrow, and imagine how that might have been better channeled. That's also before the incalculable cost of Brexit is thrown into any equation.

I for one am seriously running low on fucks to give about the 'economy' after the last few years of idiocy anyway.
 
On a bit of a tangent, was watching World War Z again this week and struck me how we could do with a 10th man system for our governement. It would be nice to think that for every topic the government ever pursued, a reasoned and passionate counter-arguement was presented from within, so that maybe on occasion pause might be taken and fuck ups avoided. Guess it's a problem of trust though, if they're all untrustworthy pricks...
 
More so than over 10 years of austerity as a result of 2008, which didn't actually lower the natinonal debt?

As ever it's about how it's spent. Let's remember the £20+ billion pissed away in the same time on failed projects like the NHS and MOD I.T upgrades not fit for design, poorly considered transport and communication schemes (for cities and rural areas, often falling down due to pre-existing connectivity issues), or the quadrupled costs of consultancies for HS2/Heathrow, and imagine how that might have been better channeled. That's also before the incalculable cost of Brexit is thrown into any equation.

I for one am seriously running low on fucks to give about the 'economy' after the last few years of idiocy anyway.

Ultimately it's a matter of opinion but personally I think it's much more a matter of what's spent than how, because I think it's fantasy to ever expect ANY government to spend money wisely.

People talk about austerity but I suspect the scale of waste is still eye watering. It's just one small example which could be totally unrepresentative, but one of our clients is a consultancy spun out of an NHS trust. They've got this old creditor on the balance sheet nobody expects to ever get paid: £250k. They like to call it a 'gift' from the trust made to help with costs of incorporation. Effectively they've just siphoned off the money. It'll never be repaid. This is one small company operating in one NHS trust.

Now a lot of my colleagues think it's a disgrace and how could anyone do that to "our NHS". But I think that's pointless. You just want to have a system with as good incentives as possible, and accept the fact that lots of people are scum.

So I don't really think it's worth dreaming about a situation where governments spend their money well. Just my 2 cents.
 
But you can try to reduce the amount the government are trusted with in the first place. Two options that come to mind are lower taxes or a coup d'etat. I dream of both.
 
More so than over 10 years of austerity as a result of 2008, which didn't actually lower the natinonal debt?

As ever it's about how it's spent. Let's remember the £20+ billion pissed away in the same time on failed projects like the NHS and MOD I.T upgrades not fit for design, poorly considered transport and communication schemes (for cities and rural areas, often falling down due to pre-existing connectivity issues), or the quadrupled costs of consultancies for HS2/Heathrow, and imagine how that might have been better channeled. That's also before the incalculable cost of Brexit is thrown into any equation.

I for one am seriously running low on fucks to give about the 'economy' after the last few years of idiocy anyway.

It was never intended to lower the national debt though, was it?

It was meant to reduce the deficit, which I believe it did. The debt will always rise while there is a structural deficit.
 
It might be my cognitive skills are so far beyond everyone else, that I come to conclusions along a thought process that others are unable to follow, and therefore they substitute their own thinking in its place and presume I think the same thoughts that they do because our conclusion is the same.

Yes! Yes, that must be it!
 
More so than over 10 years of austerity as a result of 2008, which didn't actually lower the natinonal debt?

As ever it's about how it's spent. Let's remember the £20+ billion pissed away in the same time on failed projects like the NHS and MOD I.T upgrades not fit for design, poorly considered transport and communication schemes (for cities and rural areas, often falling down due to pre-existing connectivity issues), or the quadrupled costs of consultancies for HS2/Heathrow, and imagine how that might have been better channeled. That's also before the incalculable cost of Brexit is thrown into any equation.

I for one am seriously running low on fucks to give about the 'economy' after the last few years of idiocy anyway.

I would suggest that you use up your last fuck on the following

 
It was never intended to lower the national debt though, was it?

It was meant to reduce the deficit, which I believe it did. The debt will always rise while there is a structural deficit.

Might be time for the economic side thread.

That's kind of the point I was getting to, a decade of austerity which when reviewed now (even internally by the conservatives) didn't do nearly enough to lower the defecit and didn't get near to touching debt. If anything the cutting of essential services and finance, which led to proven loss of life in many examples in the last few years, has only served to heighten aspects of the current infrastructural problems for combatting Covid.
 
Are you trying to imply that tracking global deaths, infection rates and recorded cases of COVID-19 may lack integrity?

Not to mention totally ignoring how the data is collected, taxonomy used, geography, timelines, sources of infection, socio-demographics, population density and GDP?

I just thought it was a novel way of interpreting the data.

Every country has their own sleight of hand on counting the deaths. In Ireland we've just decided not to bother giving anyone their Covid test results until a month later.
So our figures look quite good.
 
I would suggest that you use up your last fuck on the following



I'm good, especially if that video refers to the economy as some sort of entity to be treated with reverence and fear for the command it has over us. I find generally the big picture guys don't consider microenonomies enough, they see them more like pebbles in a river basin.
 
She's one of the only bunch of contemporary artists of the past decades that I've thought was any good. I hate video art, installations, all those pieces of shit that is all about the ego etc. Yet she does all that stuff and I like it.

Wouldn't be that amazed if it turned out she is a Satanist and started covid but do think it's unlikely
 
I'm good, especially if that video refers to the economy as some sort of entity to be treated with reverence and fear for the command it has over us. I find generally the big picture guys don't consider microenonomies enough, they see them more like pebbles in a river basin.

It refers to the economy as the sum total of financial transactions going on in in the different markets for goods, services, and financial assets. It puts debt, deficit, austerity, quantitative easing, and the potential for violent uprisings all into context so you can understand why and where those things come from.
 
She's one of the only bunch of contemporary artists of the past decades that I've thought was any good. I hate video art, installations, all those pieces of shit that is all about the ego etc. Yet she does all that stuff and I like it.

Wouldn't be that amazed if it turned out she is a Satanist and started covid but do think it's unlikely

If it's the same person I'm thinking of, I went to see a show of hers with Willem Defoe... very odd.
 
I just thought it was a novel way of interpreting the data.

Every country has their own sleight of hand on counting the deaths. In Ireland we've just decided not to bother giving anyone their Covid test results until a month later.
So our figures look quite good.

Until results are posted back from Germany. Given we're an island and had a head start the figures are not great are they?
 
It refers to the economy as the sum total of financial transactions going on in in the different markets for goods, services, and financial assets. It puts debt, deficit, austerity, quantitative easing, and the potential for violent uprisings all into context so you can understand why and where those things come from.

It's hard to know what the point is when it's so deliberately obtuse, but like I/others have said above not going to derail too much with a massive economics discussion. Though if it was in relation to austerity/governement spending, I'm sure I can find a monotone video with pictures for you if you'd like something on why austerity generally doesn't work, and why the UK governement's approach resulted in a vastly retarded GDP growth over the last decade, and up to 120,000 deaths where it was an attributable factor?
 
It's hard to know what the point is when it's so deliberately obtuse, but like I/others have said above not going to derail too much with a massive economics discussion. Though if it was in relation to austerity/governement spending, I'm sure I can find a monotone video with pictures for you if you'd like something on why austerity generally doesn't work, and why the UK governement's approach resulted in a vastly retarded GDP growth over the last decade, and up to 120,000 deaths where it was an attributable factor?

The video is essentially in agreement with you. The take away is that when you get to the downside of the long term debt cycle, you can lower the debt by (1) lowering spending / austerity, (2) renegotiating the repayment structure, (3) taxing rich people and handing the money to the poor people, and (4) printing money. The first three are deflationary to prices. The fourth is inflationary to prices. The correct way to reduce debt is keeping all four of those measures in balance, you can even have economic growth in that scenario whilst reducing debt. Austerity isn't the problem it is painted to be by the fake news. The problem is the government couldn't balance a cube on the flat ground, let alone the economy.
 
Big D was handling that well, despite the fake news trying to convince everyone he is a moron, it was going so well, and then somebody decided to eat a pangolin.
 
The problem is the government couldn't balance a cube on the flat ground, let alone the economy.

The crux of a lot of the last few pages. Nobody should argue against responsible spending, accountability and ever increasing efficiency. The problem always comes back to the piss poor approaches taken in implementing such, which until recently has been incredibly cruel and targeted at poorer sections of society. It's the kind of events of the last couple of months you'd hope would force a rethink in certain avenues, but given the current response and scrambling I doubt it will happen.
 
Until results are posted back from Germany. Given we're an island and had a head start the figures are not great are they?

I cant really figure them out.

Mary Lou McDonald is an example of what happened - she got a positive Covid result on Sunday. Despite being tested three weeks ago , and going sick for a couple of weeks.

So surely the three week old figures need to be revised upwards now to actually show where we were then. And presumably our figures will be much worse than already reported.

That's probably why we're planning for disruption for months to come
 
Ireland’s Covid-19 testing regime is an “omnishambles” and an “unmitigated disaster”, a frontline nurse has stated.

Mary (not her real name), who works at a midlands community hospital, previously described to the Irish Examiner the chronic issues her own institution faced due to a lack of personal protective equipment (PPE).

She said that while issues with PPE have eased to an extent since the acquisition of supply from China by the HSE, huge issues remain due to the backlog of people awaiting test results.




“The next four weeks will be hell,” she said.

“The official numbers are hilarious,” she said, adding that in her and her colleagues’ opinion, the number of people with Covid-19 in their hospital is almost three times what the official figures say.

Particular ire is reserved for the manner with which communication as to Ireland’s positive numbers has been handled.


“The fact that the numbers from Germany are only coming through now is ridiculous, when we knew beyond doubt that the numbers were higher,” she said.



The numbers are still being fudged, it’s as simple as that.
 
I cant really figure them out.

Mary Lou McDonald is an example of what happened - she got a positive Covid result on Sunday. Despite being tested three weeks ago , and going sick for a couple of weeks.

So surely the three week old figures need to be revised upwards now to actually show where we were then. And presumably our figures will be much worse than already reported.

That's probably why we're planning for disruption for months to come

The roll out of testing and contact tracing was a fucking shambles yet Harris and Varadkar are making out they're doing a great job because they shut down before the UK did.
 
They looked like they were quick to start contact tracing to be honest. Dept of Health were able to borrow staff from other departments immediately to do it. I don't know how it ultimately went because nobody who I know that volunteered was taken.

As for testing, well it's not really surprising. We don't have the capacity for normal day to day testing never mind this kind of thing.
And Germany is never going to prioritise our tests over there own.

Harris has done a great job at looking concerned on camera, he's practised that well.
Leo will get a pass because he volunteered to work as a doctor one day a week.
 
I can't believe people are falling for that Leo answering the phones for a few hours a week bollocks. You could give a lay person a script for what he's (allegedly) doing. The HSE couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery. I know somebody who was told a month ago they were going to be transferred to contact tracing. Still haven't been asked to do any. Surely it couldn't be that hard to set up a system in a couple of days. They had the advantage of time and being an island and really our stats don't look that good anymore.
 
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