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Chinese "Devil Virus" - anyone worried?

Those pushing for the return to work won’t be on the frontline of work. They will probably be working from home whilst the plebs run the risk of being catching covid
 
None. Not one is the answer.

Not sure that's entirely true, even if it's a PR disaster to discuss it in those terms.
For example, there's currently X number of road deaths per year, which we maybe don't seem acceptable acceptable, but we could reduce to almost zero if we decided to totally ban cars for example. But the impact on people from doing that, is not considered more important than those lives. So, for each restriction we place on people, there's a limit to what improvement we expect from it, weighed against the negative from implementing it.
 
Same goes for cigarettes, alcohol, junk food.

All kinds of stuff.

Hell, the decision (that even a Corbyn government would make) to keep taxes at a low enough level that people can afford luxuries like holidays rather than spending the maximum possible on healthcare is an implicit decision to sacrifice some people's lives for most people's comfort.
 
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Let's all take a moment during this Pandemic to acknowledge it's primary benefactor.


Bill Gates owns the patent for Coronavirus.

Bill Gates has partial ownership of all 4 biolabs in Wuhan, China. (George Soros has a partial stake in 3).

Bill gates funds the Lieber Foundation which is headed by Charles Lieber, arrested on 28 January 2020 for espionage selling Bioweapons to China, to the same Labs Bill Gates partially owns.

Bill Gates is the primary financier of the World Health Organization. Donating more than $2 Billion over the last decade. The W.H.O. that complimented China and discouraged any 'over-reaction'.

Bill Gates held 'Event 201' in October 2019 simulating a Coronavirus Pandemic, seemingly 30 days prior to the Coronavirus Pandemic. Sponsored by John's Hopkins.

Bill Gates real name is William Henry Gates III, and he is a 12th generation Rockefeller; the Rockefellers own the large majority of healthcare infrastructure throughout the united states, including John's Hopkins which is the official score keeper for Coronavirus.

Bill Gates is on the Epstien Flight Logs.

Bill Gates partnered with Maria Abromovic, staring in Microsoft Commercials. Maria Abromovic is known as the most influential Satanist whom appears in Hillary and Podesta's leaked Emails; she is very specifically connected to pedophilia and torcher in cases such as Epstein, Weinstein, and NXVIM; all of which were brought down as a direct result of Clinton's emails. (Laura Silsbey as well, Clinton Foundation).

Bill Gates father chaired the board of Planned Parenthood; during it's infancy when it was no-secret that it was a eugenics program against colored people.

Bill Gates has been sued and tried criminally in Africa and India (GUILTY) for crimes against humanity by way of forced vaccinations which caused severe side-effects and death.

Bill Gates has publicly stated that he wants to depopulate the planet using vaccines. Now he wants to chip every person on the planet with ID2020, as a digital passport to travel or work.

If you want to know who is behind Coronavirus, it is the same man who's fingerprints are all over it, and who thinks that he is out in front of it.

If these facts don't paint the picture for you, I can't help you. You are already dead.
 
Not sure that's entirely true, even if it's a PR disaster to discuss it in those terms.
For example, there's currently X number of road deaths per year, which we maybe don't seem acceptable acceptable, but we could reduce to almost zero if we decided to totally ban cars for example. But the impact on people from doing that, is not considered more important than those lives. So, for each restriction we place on people, there's a limit to what improvement we expect from it, weighed against the negative from implementing it.

Same goes for cigarettes, alcohol, junk food.

All kinds of stuff.

Hell, the decision (that even a Corbyn government would make) to keep taxes at a low enough level that people can afford luxuries like holidays rather than spending the maximum possible on healthcare is an implicit decision to sacrifice some people's lives for most people's comfort.

Banning cars (or anything else) is a permanent setback that you can't recover from. So there is a decision to be made. Putting the economy on pause for a time isn't permanent, and it will recover. Had we a couple of brain cells in the government, it could simply pick up where it left off. So the decision that you want to restart the game tomorrow and kill several thousand people, rather than restart it a few months later when it's totally safe, is not really a decision.
 
HS2 is going to take forever to complete. My brother is working on part of it, lots of the landowners who are against it sold off their fields that it is due to go through. They sold to fellow NIMBYs, a few square feet of field to each one, so instead of having to deal with one NIMBY per farm/field, they are now having to deal with several dozen, or more - per each field. Also, as it's passing through or past conservation areas it all has to be bullet proof in the final design, not one signal box or whatever should be visible from lots of villages that it passes.

It'll take fucking ages.
 
Going into mountains of debt and killing thousands of businesses is not a temporary setback.

Of course it is temporary, humans have a good track record of recovering from these things, a 100% track record in fact. You're only a participant in the economy to satisfy your wants and needs. Imagine you were now asked to die to participate in the economy. You'd think hang on a minute, the economy is there for my wants and needs, if I have to die, something doesn't add up in that equation. A few seconds later you will come to the logical conclusion of fuck you, just give me what I want and need or I'll kill you and burn your store to the ground. Do you think society won't come to the same conclusion?
 
I’ll miss Dantes when he sacrifices himself so the rest of us might carry on and build a better world.
Tbf, dantes just said the exact opposite, in that not one person's life should be sacrificed for the economy.

I actually disagree, I've seen a seemingly endless parade on TV of people who NEED to be sacrificed for the economy, every day at about 4/5pm, in fact.
 
I for one value my own life far higher than the combined GDP of the world. So the valuation economists put upon the life of dantes is neither here nor there. When it comes to decision time, I will kill every last person I can to ensure my survival. If you multiply that out to everyone, it is quite obvious you don't want to go down that path.
 
Of course it is temporary, humans have a good track record of recovering from these things, a 100% track record in fact. You're only a participant in the economy to satisfy your wants and needs. Imagine you were now asked to die to participate in the economy. You'd think hang on a minute, the economy is there for my wants and needs, if I have to die, something doesn't add up in that equation. A few seconds later you will come to the logical conclusion of fuck you, just give me what I want and need or I'll kill you and burn your store to the ground. Do you think society won't come to the same conclusion?

Probably not if put in those terms, but it accepts the trade off all the time in the other ways I outlined, and which you ignored.
 
Probably not if put in those terms, but it accepts the trade off all the time in the other ways I outlined, and which you ignored.

The trade off is accepted because they receive the benefit of a car, or a glass of red, and they're willing to take the small risk of death for those things. When you are trading their life against the need for economic growth, it's not a trade off, you're just asking that person to go medieval on your ass and do what it takes to survive.
 
It's exactly the same trade off.

A small increase in the risk of death for material gain. It's that simple.

That's why I said banning cars was permanent. That's a genuine material loss. Not being able to buy a car until next year due to the shut down is not a material loss, it's just a delay. Conversely, there is no material gain in pushing forward the time you can buy the car. The trade off isn't a material gain vs risk of death. It's more like patience vs risk of death. Only one winner in that.
 
The trade off is accepted because they receive the benefit of... a glass of red....

Pffffffffft!!!!

I’m currently receiving the benefit of a whole bottle.

Anti-oxidant therapy.

I bought another couple of cases - should arrive tomorrow.

Just doing my bit - keeping myself safe and the economy going.
 
Yes but the economy can't just be paused indefinitely because there are creditors who need to be paid. So if a small business runs out of cash it's fucked permanently regardless of whether it would be viable once things get going again.

And governments plugging the gaps take on debt permanently, permanently putting stress on public services, the taxpayers, and the currency.

It's not just a matter of patience. Not at all.
 
Wtf?

We're realistically a month or so before some more people other key workers can return to work.

We're fuck knows how long away before they can safely allow schools, pubs & public gatherings again, probably whenever a vaccine is made, so the rest of this year plus some of next year?

The exit strategy is fairly simple, same as being in a bunker in war time, stay the fuck inside until it's safe to come out.

The media pressure to lift the restrictions is fucking mental. The pressure should be to ensure that it isn't lifted before its safe to do so, & applying is as simple as repeatedly asking why the athletico match was allowed to go ahead, why Cheltenham went ahead, & how many lives that cost.

Every member of the press needs to ask that repeatedly until they get a fucking answer, instead of remaining supine throughout, & now, changing the narrative.

The 'narrative' should be tens of thousands are dead, many more thousands will be dead, & many thousands of those deaths were needless, how many lives can we save by keeping restrictions in place? Cos that's what actually fucking matters.

I meant longer-term strategy, and thinking ahead. The exact thing that needs to be done in the future.

Dealing with the current situation, and the situation as it evolves is tactics, not strategy.

The economy can't be allowed to collapse totally, and that's what I meant, not that we should be letting Karen have a BBQ on the local common because it's fucking sunny. But I think some key workers, facilities, businesses and perhaps schools are going to return to operation and open again - in stages - sooner rather than later, and certainly before fucking next year, otherwise far worse is on the horizon.
 
Washington Post reporting that cheques to be sent out to people suffering economic hardship in the US have been delayed so as they can print Trump’s name on all of them.

It certainly sounds like the sort of thing he’d do - we’ll know for sure when he starts pointing out who’s name is on the cheque to deflect important questions he can’t answer.

That is hilariously tragic
 
Tbf, dantes just said the exact opposite, in that not one person's life should be sacrificed for the economy.

I actually disagree, I've seen a seemingly endless parade on TV of people who NEED to be sacrificed for the economy, every day at about 4/5pm, in fact.

The amount of times dantes says something, and people can think he meant the exact opposite of what he said, does not reflect well on his communications skills.

Or is it everyone else's cognitive skills?
 
Yes but the economy can't just be paused indefinitely because there are creditors who need to be paid. So if a small business runs out of cash it's fucked permanently regardless of whether it would be viable once things get going again.

And governments plugging the gaps take on debt permanently, permanently putting stress on public services, the taxpayers, and the currency.

It's not just a matter of patience. Not at all.

In principle you absolutely can, I have imagined it myself many times, so long as you shut the right things down, at the right time, in the right order. Won't happen with the dumb cunts we have in power of course. But smart people will look at the data being generated during this pause, and be able to model a better shutdown procedure in the future. You will agree that is a most useful tool to add to the capitalism armoury. The businesses and creditors that go under will not have died for nothing.
 
Cases of the novel coronavirus in Chile have climbed past 7,500, including 82 deaths, while over 2,300 have recovered from infection as of Tuesday, according to data from Johns Hopkins University.

But coronavirus patients in Chile who have died are being counted among the country's recovered population because they are "no longer contagious," Chile's Health Minister Jaime Mañalich said this week.

"We have 898 patients who are no longer contagious, who are not a source of contagion for others and we include them as recovered. These are the people who have completed 14 days of diagnosis or who unfortunately have passed away," Mañalich announced at a press conference.

Are you trying to imply that tracking global deaths, infection rates and recorded cases of COVID-19 may lack integrity?

Not to mention totally ignoring how the data is collected, taxonomy used, geography, timelines, sources of infection, socio-demographics, population density and GDP?
 
Austria has today allowed certain types of businesses to reopen so long as they are in premises under 400m2 (and with restrictions on how many allowed in at one time). Those with larger premises or different types of business can reopen in May.

The UK will go down this road and there's is not a snowball's chance in hell of holding off until the spread of the virus has declined to the point of imperceptibility. Once a decline in new infections is obvious then reopening in stages will commence.
 
Austria has today allowed certain types of businesses to reopen so long as they are in premises under 400m2 (and with restrictions on how many allowed in at one time). Those with larger premises or different types of business can reopen in May.

The UK will go down this road and there's is not a snowball's chance in hell of holding off until the spread of the virus has declined to the point of imperceptibility. Once a decline in new infections is obvious then reopening in stages will commence.

Yeah, although I think I read somewhere that ...South Korea?....lowered restrictions and there's been reports of people catching Wu Flu again, quite quickly.
 
I meant longer-term strategy, and thinking ahead. The exact thing that needs to be done in the future.

Dealing with the current situation, and the situation as it evolves is tactics, not strategy.

The economy can't be allowed to collapse totally, and that's what I meant, not that we should be letting Karen have a BBQ on the local common because it's fucking sunny. But I think some key workers, facilities, businesses and perhaps schools are going to return to operation and open again - in stages - sooner rather than later, and certainly before fucking next year, otherwise far worse is on the horizon.


There’s probably enough wealth in society to go around and sort out the economic issues posed by an extended lock down.

Not everything will shut down - we’re not anywhere near that state.

The issue will be, as always, will those that have wealth be willing to contribute more and what will the people in charge spend the money on.

That people are already suggesting that it’s acceptable for “some” people to die in order to keep the economy going, as opposed to say, those with capital to spare taking a hit to their pockets and Governments possibly handing out fat contracts to key party financial contributors at a premium rather than potentially better options, economically speaking, tells us pretty much where this is all going to end up.
 
The amount of times dantes says something, and people can think he meant the exact opposite of what he said, does not reflect well on his communications skills.

Or is it everyone else's cognitive skills?

It might be my cognitive skills are so far beyond everyone else, that I come to conclusions along a thought process that others are unable to follow, and therefore they substitute their own thinking in its place and presume I think the same thoughts that they do because our conclusion is the same.
 
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