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Chinese "Devil Virus" - anyone worried?

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Aidan O' Neill said:
I can't claim to know too much but it seems the HSE as an organisation is an absolute mess. The front line doctors and nurses from what I've seen (which thankfully has been very little over the years) are fantastic but fighting a losing battle as part of an organisation that bleeds money.
As stated earlier somebody I know was told they would be moved into contact tracing over a month ago (within the next week). Still hasn't happened. This virus is fucking relentless but early stage detailed contact tracing could have saved a lot of lives I heard first hand information of somebody who works in a psych ward, with psychiatrists who have to come into a hospital to conduct their session with their patients OVER THE PHONE. The testing and backlog of results has been a joke. The nursing home situation could have been worse. Some nursing homes were told they closed their doors too early (fortunately the one my uncle is in did this and they've had no cases so far).

One of Varadkar's first moves after the outbreak was to rehire a spin doctor. They got rumbled that they're going to pay over 100 million per month to private hospital, plus they're using COVID 19 to try bully other parties into Government with them. They got one sniff of some people thinking they were doing a decent job and went and pulled the same kind of shit as always.
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I take it you're not a fan of Leo then.
Me neither.
There does seem to be an awful whiff of bullshit in most of what they say.
Team Ireland grinds my gears I must admit.
Instead of organizing a national clap around why don't they just give all those frontline staff the protection, conditions and reward that the need and deserve to do their job.
Deflect, deflect deflect.
 
The clapping is to drown out the electrical buzzing while they're testing the 5G.

Have I quiffed?
 
I wouldn't be Leo or indeed Micheal's greatest fans, but the thoughts of Mary Lou at the helm with some of the the people in her party fills me with dread.
 
Aidan O' Neill said:
I can't claim to know too much but it seems the HSE as an organisation is an absolute mess. The front line doctors and nurses from what I've seen (which thankfully has been very little over the years) are fantastic but fighting a losing battle as part of an organisation that bleeds money.
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I don't know much more but I spoke to a solicitor I know who worked for the HSE briefly and he said he wouldn't recommend it to anyone.

Toxic environment with some downright underhanded top management.

He realised it fairly quickly and copped that he'd need to cover his back and he's lucky he did.
He told me about some massive fuck up that was made, and when looking to deflect the management decided to attempt to blame him for legal advice given in a meeting on a particular date.

After he had left the HSE he was called to give evidence about it in Court and was able to testify that it was his first day on the job and he wasn't at any meeting because he had to search the building for a desk and chair to bring to his office.
 
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FoxForceFive said:
The chocolate selection a bit shit in China then?! I just assumed they'd have either knock offs of our stuff, or our stuff relabelled for their market. I mean, the bars have shrunk enough that they could be eaten by short folk no fucking problem, most chocolate bars are about half the size they used to be!
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Really shit. I assume made with vegetable oil not milk. They do have large MNCs that produce some name brands (Dove, Snickers - very cheap - & M&Ms) but the rest doesn't taste the same at all.
They have imported chocolates of course, usually maddeningly expensive, and some Cadbury's crap from Australia which is almost as bad as the Chinese crap. And I love Cadbury's but Australian Cadbury's is awful.
 
Jack D Rips said:
I wouldn't be Leo or indeed Micheal's greatest fans, but the thoughts of Mary Lou at the helm with some of the the people in her party fills me with dread.
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True but it doesn't mean we shouldn't demand better from Fine Gael or Fianna. I actually quite like a couple of SF politicians but there are some absolute nutjobs in the party.
 
Rosco said:
I don't know much more but I spoke to a solicitor I know who worked for the HSE briefly and he said he wouldn't recommend it to anyone.

Toxic environment with some downright underhanded top management.

He realised it fairly quickly and copped that he'd need to cover his back and he's lucky he did.
He told me about some massive fuck up that was made, and when looking to deflect the management decided to attempt to blame him for legal advice given in a meeting on a particular date.

After he had left the HSE he was called to give evidence about it in Court and was able to testify that it was his first day on the job and he wasn't at any meeting because he had to search the building for a desk and chair to bring to his office.
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Mad isn't it? Sure look at Cervical check. Rather than say hey there's a mistake here, go get checked out again, people covered their own arses. On the day to day uselessness, somebody I know was up in Dublin for a (HSE related) day course. There were booklets etc. for it sent to the wrong office. No biggie. Course is not for a week or two. They got the booklets couriered on the morning of the course (town to somewhere near the canal I think. A courier for what 2km) but obviously ordered the courier that morning so the booklets were about an hour late despite having sat in the other office for a week or two. Shambles
 
Jack D Rips said:
I wouldn't be Leo or indeed Micheal's greatest fans, but the thoughts of Mary Lou at the helm with some of the the people in her party fills me with dread.
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Yeah, that's where I'm at. Working backwards, ruling out the far left, Sinn Fein are unelectable until they get rid of the IRA links. Greens, I like the idea of, but fucking hell... Labour, are just consistently uninspiring, but actually got a raw deal from being a minority partner, when the majority should really take responsibility (same when Greens were there) so should perform better. That leaves you with FF or FG... They're miles from perfect, the problem is finding a way of keeping them accountable for some of the really shitty things they've done. I'm actually at a loss with it, but Leo seems like the least worst option at the minute.
 
the count said:
I take it you're not a fan of Leo then.
Me neither.
There does seem to be an awful whiff of bullshit in most of what they say.
Team Ireland grinds my gears I must admit.
Instead of organizing a national clap around why don't they just give all those frontline staff the protection, conditions and reward that the need and deserve to do their job.
Deflect, deflect deflect.
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I wouldn't be a fan no. They seem to leave everything "up to the market" and leave vulnerable people behind and then were genuinely shocked when they took a kicking at the election (FG minister in my constituency basically said people don't understand what they're voting for). Leo is obsessed with PR and spends an absolute fortune on it and it's not working. Simon Harris is completely out of depth. The lack of alternatives is apparent though. I'd prefer Mary Lou over Leo as an individual but some people will never vote Sinn Fein with historical IRA links plus there are some lunatics in their party. Some companies would likely go running out of here if SF were in power too. Labour are now led by am extremely unpopular man, the Greens are led by somebody so is definitely just winging it (see the salad speech) and Soc Dems are too small to be a player just yet (I like them though).
 
The number of cases of the new coronavirus in Brazil is 15 times higher than official figures, according to researchers who estimate that contagions 300,000 people and fear an catastrophe in the next weeks.

THE Brazil is the country in Latin America most affected by the pandemic, which arrived here later than in Asia and Europe. In the last balance, the authorities registered 1,736 dead. The peak of contagion is expected from May.

According to estimates by the Covid-19 Brazil group, a collective of university researchers, in the country of 210 million 313,288 cases last Saturday: 15 times more than the 20,727 confirmed cases announced by the Ministry of Health.

The reason for this huge difference in the country of continental dimensions is that detection rate is much lower that of other countries affected by the virus.

In Brazil, the proportion is 296 people evaluated per million, an insignificant figure compared to Germany (15,730), France (5,114) and Iran (3,421).

“Brazil is in a bad position vis-à-vis other countries that have increased the number of tests as the epidemic began to set in. We will only use this epidemic if we do mass testing,” says Domingos Alves, in a statement to AFP. , member of the COVID-19 Brazil group and head of the Health Intelligence Laboratory (LIS) at the University of São Paulo (USP).
 
The EU are now apologising for their lack of response to the crisis.

But they did respond to the crisis, just not publicly. They issued a memo to each country saying that under no circumstances was freedom of movement or goods to be constrained. Borders must remain open.

And now we see a load of seasonal workers arriving in Dublin on a full Ryanair flight - no social distancing , no checks done, no quarantine period.
 
Yep thousands of Romanians being shipped into East Anglia to pick cabbages and lettuces , yay!
 
I do wonder if this will be the straw that broke the camels back for some european members that were already getting itchy feet about coming out.
 
Rosco said:
The EU are now apologising for their lack of response to the crisis.

But they did respond to the crisis, just not publicly. They issued a memo to each country saying that under no circumstances was freedom of movement or goods to be constrained. Borders must remain open.

And now we see a load of seasonal workers arriving in Dublin on a full Ryanair flight - no social distancing , no checks done, no quarantine period.
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Although Austria shut the borders to Italy. And I think some other countries also closed borders.
 
Mors said:
I do wonder if this will be the straw that broke the camels back for some european members that were already getting itchy feet about coming out.
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There will be increased "nationalism" in some ways; with trusted sources valued more, increased interest in the provenance of goods and services, heightened mistrust of foreign news, data and reporting; and, for a short time, a reduction in tourism to certain parts of the world.

Border control and immigration testing may also be loosened less quickly.

It's been a pro-EU and globalist's worst fucking nightmare, but may stimulate more domestic growth.
 
manwithnoname said:
There will be increased "nationalism" in some ways; with trusted sources valued more, increased interest in the provenance of goods and services, heightened mistrust of foreign news, data and reporting; and, for a short time, a reduction in tourism to certain parts of the world.

Border control and immigration testing may also be loosened less quickly.

It's been a pro-EU and globalist's worst fucking nightmare, but may stimulate more domestic growth.
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The cruise industry will take a massive hit. I'm not even sure it will recover.

The stories of passengers being confined to their rooms doesn't sound really bad, until you realise that 70% of passengers don't have a window, never mind a balcony, & have tiny rooms, because they're usually rarely in them, & then find out that because they couldn't restock, they were given water & extremely limited & basic food three times a day, left at the room door. Some were left like this for three weeks or more.

A family friend & her husband were in Peru when this all kicked off. They had been reading about it in the papers, but heard nothing official about getting home or anything, then army trucks all turned up to the hotel en masse, & told them all to get into the trucks. No time to get changed, get their luggage or clothes, nothing. The army then trucked them to a huge 4 star hotel, surrounded by armed soldiers, roadblocks & military vehicles with guns.

They were told their room numbers, &, like the cruise passengers, confined to their rooms, & again like the passengers, water & very limited food only. They got their luggage three days later.

Two weeks later they were told to pack their stuff up & 20 mins later were shepherded onto army trucks, again, not told what was happening, & brought to the airport, where they were finally told they were going home.

They said they felt like prisoners, & everyone was shit scared cos they had no idea what was going on & they were literally surrounded by soldiers with guns who couldn't speak English.
 
Rosco said:
The EU are now apologising for their lack of response to the crisis.

But they did respond to the crisis, just not publicly. They issued a memo to each country saying that under no circumstances was freedom of movement or goods to be constrained. Borders must remain open.

And now we see a load of seasonal workers arriving in Dublin on a full Ryanair flight - no social distancing , no checks done, no quarantine period.
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It's nuts isn't it? I have nothing against them being brought in if they can't get Irish workers to pick, but they need two weeks hotel isolation at minimum before allowing them to start work.
 
FoxForceFive said:
The cruise industry will take a massive hit. I'm not even sure it will recover.

The stories of passengers being confined to their rooms doesn't sound really bad, until you realise that 70% of passengers don't have a window, never mind a balcony, & have tiny rooms, because they're usually rarely in them, & then find out that because they couldn't restock, they were given water & extremely limited & basic food three times a day, left at the room door. Some were left like this for three weeks or more.

A family friend & her husband were in Peru when this all kicked off. They had been reading about it in the papers, but heard nothing official about getting home or anything, then army trucks all turned up to the hotel en masse, & told them all to get into the trucks. No time to get changed, get their luggage or clothes, nothing. The army then trucked them to a huge 4 star hotel, surrounded by armed soldiers, roadblocks & military vehicles with guns.

They were told their room numbers, &, like the cruise passengers, confined to their rooms, & again like the passengers, water & very limited food only. They got their luggage three days later.

Two weeks later they were told to pack their stuff up & 20 mins later were shepherded onto army trucks, again, not told what was happening, & brought to the airport, where they were finally told they were going home.

They said they felt like prisoners, & everyone was shit scared cos they had no idea what was going on & they were literally surrounded by soldiers with guns who couldn't speak English.
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Cruise market is quite old anyway, so maybe the next generation will have enough time to recover/ forget?

It's a horrible situation for the entire travel/ tourism/ aviation market really, because they have almost zero cash reserves, and so many local and non-local interdependencies that all need eachother, and all need cash flowing - from the airlines, through to the hotels in Spain, to the fella selling melons on the beach in Denia.

I reckon 25% of the industry could disappear, at least in 2020.
 
I quite like the idea of a cruise. I like boats, I like day drinking, I hate flying and I like the idea of waking up in a new place.

Although, what puts me off is you just know that some complete fucking weirdo will try to make friends with you on day one and you won't be able to shake the fucker because you're trapped on a fucking boat. Whose idea was it to come on a fucking cruise anyway??
 
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