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Chinese "Devil Virus" - anyone worried?

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manwithnoname said:
Yep, and we know where to start chopping:

China 'forces Italy to BUY back masks and coronavirus supplies it had DONATED to Beijing just weeks earlier'
  • China sent a plane-load of masks and ventilators to Italy last month
  • But later reports suggested that Beijing was selling the kit rather than donating it
  • China is making Italy buy back the very supplies that Rome donated weeks before it too became overwhelmed
  • Comes as China's PR efforts in the developed world have been met with distrust
Loads of them were faulty, too
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Since you people from The Lying Rag don't do quotes, citations, or evidence, I thought I'd do some digging.

I suppose you are citing this https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3912335 .

[article]The Spectator on Saturday (April 4) cited a senior official in the Trump administration as saying that the PPE had actually been donated by Italy to China earlier in the outbreak and that Beijing was forcing the country to buy back the same supplies. "Before the virus hit Europe, Italy sent tons of PPE to China to help China protect its own population," said the official.[/article]

Oh look. A Taiwan news blog citing a "Trump official", about the relationship between Italy and China. What an objective and fact-filled article this must be. They must know all about it.

P.s. I like Taiwan a lot more than China. But this is like relying on AFTV for Spurs news.
 
singlerider said:
I seem to remember reading something a while back that said the melting of the permafrost could be a ticking timebomb as it could release viruses and bacteria that are millions of years old that our bodies ain't got a clue how to cope with
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Not only could it ... it did. Wasn't it last year or the year before ? In a remote area of Russia. Was it a Permafrost thaw caused a minor smallpox anthrax outbreak via reindeer or some such shit? Russians contained it.
 
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FoxForceFive said:
Yeah, let's just ignore the fact that our government has cost thousands, if not tens of thousands of lives through inaction & making shockingly poor decisions.

South Korea had their first case the day before ours. They followed the WHO guidelines, tested, contact traced & quarantined affected.

They had just over 200 deaths by yesterday, without having to go on lockdown.

The evidence was there, the procedures were there, but we didn't follow them because our government downplayed it in favour of keeping the economy going.

The long term affects of that will be devastating in terms of lives lost, & to the economy long term.

They can't defend the indefensible, hence the distraction bollocks about footy players.
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The Koreans saw how China handled it and the general population copied them even without Govt. intervention !

Added to which I think a few on here would have heart attacks in how they used personal data for contact tracing (sequestrated their phones and traced their exact routes using the GPS data, contacted all the contacts in their phones and used all the data from their credit cards to see where and when etc.). All seems perfectly reasonable if you want contact tracing to be at the very highest level.

I'm not sure the Brits would go in for it though and even the Singaporean PM said that once past a certain stage contact tracing was virtually useless.
 
Woland said:
Sorry I meant 0.2. I've seen 0.1 mentioned as more likely but dunno. It does depend on a few bits, general health and age of population, and genetic factors.
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Best stat to use is 4 deaths per million, that disregards unknown factors such as number infected/tested etc.. That makes it one of the lowest in the world but it's still an anomaly when you consider the amount of testing per million they have done is less than half that of Switzerland (who has 110 deaths per million).
 
Frogfish said:
Good film.

Ah it wasn't smallpox it was anthrax. Pardon. Articles below .. happened in isolated incidents in both 2014 and 2015.

Pics in the first link.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?sxs...oAhWlrHEKHfpjBJUQsAR6BAgHEAE&biw=1279&bih=665

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6530834/

https://www.discovermagazine.com/th...eeling-the-consequences-of-thawing-permafrost
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I saw some amazing article about permafrost and the implications of bacteria thawing etc, and it hypothesised about a scenario with anthrax, it was only a year or two before that happened. I know it was fairly obvious what would happen, but still. It sounded like science talking about a potential scenario that was years off.
 
dantes said:
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You could also go back to the Roman economy. They also had a welfare state, handing out free grain (JJ or Portly can confirm this). Tiberius responded to his debt burden with quantitative easing, debasing their coins with cheaper metal. Or you could just use your socialist politics to deny the historical data and pretend you're smarter than dantes.
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You k ow interest is satanic dont you ? Unnatural growth.
 
mark1975 said:
I saw some amazing article about permafrost and the implications of bacteria thawing etc, and it hypothesised about a scenario with anthrax, it was only a year or two before that happened. I know it was fairly obvious what would happen, but still. It sounded like science talking about a potential scenario that was years off.
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When you see how the world's glaciers are retreating it's not going to be long before something serious is released. Even Iceland is losing lots of glaciers - that's very close to home
 
Interesting research. I walk 7-10kms a day (through a mostly mothballed industrial estate to a deserted railway siding - interesting photography) and thought I was being paranoid when holding my breath (even with a mask on) walking past people (starting 10m downwind or 5m upwind, further in strong winds), but maybe I'm not.

 
I wonder if this will be the first of many similar moves? (Note, no idea if this source is legit or not):
[article]Japan has earmarked US$2.2 billion of its record economic stimulus packageto help its manufacturers shift production out of China as the coronavirus disrupts supply chains between the major trading partners.

The extra budget, compiled to try to offset the devastating effects of the pandemic, includes 220 billion yen (US$2 billion) for companies shifting production back to Japan and 23.5 billion yen for those seeking to move production to other countries, according to details of the plan posted online.[/article]
 
LeTallecWiz said:
I wonder if this will be the first of many similar moves? (Note, no idea if this source is legit or not):
[article]Japan has earmarked US$2.2 billion of its record economic stimulus packageto help its manufacturers shift production out of China as the coronavirus disrupts supply chains between the major trading partners.

The extra budget, compiled to try to offset the devastating effects of the pandemic, includes 220 billion yen (US$2 billion) for companies shifting production back to Japan and 23.5 billion yen for those seeking to move production to other countries, according to details of the plan posted online.[/article]
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It would be a little strange because of the production cost differential - and the fact Japan are already short of native workers due to low Japanese birth-rates. Many of their factory / unskilled workers are now Chinese.
 
The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has abruptly switched its guidance for use of a drug touted by President Donald Trump as a possible treatment for COVID-19, dropping its reference to anecdotal dosages to say simply that there are no approved drugs for dealing with the disease.

The CDC's online advice for hydroxychloroquine was updated April 7, three days after Reuters reported that the CDC was offering what the news agency called "highly unusual guidance" for the drug's use based on "unattributed anecdotes rather than peer-reviewed science."

The updated, and shortened, guidance says simply that "hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine are under investigation in clinical trials” for use on coronavirus patients and "there are no drugs or other therapeutics approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration to prevent or treat COVID-19."

The CDC originally told Reuters that the earlier guidance was crafted for doctors at the request of a White House coronavirus task force, which had urged prompt action.
 
Donavan Ried said:
mate, I don't know if thats a pop, but saw half of one video by him, and there are only two things were I thought that he had a point...(1) The Government bring in powers and keeping them, and The Government using this to get rid of cash
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That's exactly why people like Icke are so dangerous, they will sprinkle their madness with some reasonable points to win people over.
 
LeTallecWiz said:
I wonder if this will be the first of many similar moves? (Note, no idea if this source is legit or not):
[article]Japan has earmarked US$2.2 billion of its record economic stimulus packageto help its manufacturers shift production out of China as the coronavirus disrupts supply chains between the major trading partners.

The extra budget, compiled to try to offset the devastating effects of the pandemic, includes 220 billion yen (US$2 billion) for companies shifting production back to Japan and 23.5 billion yen for those seeking to move production to other countries, according to details of the plan posted online.[/article]
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Make Japan Great Again! Big D was way ahead of the curve as usual.
 
Anyone else enjoying the lockdown?

I'm loving it. I know when I get the mange and die I'll change my tune but right now everything is ace. All the pressure is off, I'm doing loads more interesting shit than I was before.

Cons

1) we're living in the worst country on earth and more people are ill and dying per capita than anywhere else on earth, Boris is the kid that told everyone to play on the railway that ended up getting hit by a train, for some reason the press still think he's a saint. 5000 people died here last week because of him and it makes me want to smoke crack

Positives

1) I don't have to do anything I don't want to
2) I don't have to put up with anyone's bullshit
3) I'm working on a few really interesting things that I wouldn't be otherwise
4) I've found a love for cooking again
5) I've got back into making music
6) the weather is ace and when I walk my dogs down the beach there's hardly anyone about
7) I've started running again
8) my bird is being dead positive and helpful and isn't giving me the eyes when I open a bottle of vodka at 11 in the morning
9) my kids are here and they're a laugh. Watching old series I've forgotten and they've never seen getting stoned etc is boss
10) I could go on but I'll look back fondly on this virus
 
I don't have as much time as you @Woland as I'm still working the job but overall, I'm really seeing the last month at home very positively.
I've got to really enjoy my family and see my children interact and grow fonder of each other - as there's no one else to play with.
We're playing together more, I"m taking breaks from work to go to the front yard and kick a ball, we're teaching them how to make various foods, and we're introducing them to the movies that were staples of our childhood (Cool Running, Home Alone, Back to the FUture etc).
Yah, it's challenging and not seeing my parents, especially dad when his mom passed, has been something so odd ... but I always 'preach' family to myself and the family ... so this has been a gift in that sense.

Happy Easter to those celebrating.
 
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