It's in the link I posted above mate. You can drill down into the specifics (day by day). Both were over 1,000, Spain around 1,100 and for a country with a population of 47m to the UK's 67m that's of course a lot more per million.
Chinese "Devil Virus" - anyone worried?
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I've always thought a moving average a much better analysis, as a daily fluctuation, which breaks the trend, is always highly likely.WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS, CHAMPIONS OF EUROPE.
Mind you I'm not how it accounts for the street & private parties that have been going on in the UK - we're fucking nuts. Whilst the Italians and Spanish took it seriously we're partying the fuck out of the virus. Chief Constable for Manchester said they had closed down 660 parties in that city alone !
Are you in New York ? It's insane over there. More cases and more deaths than any country ! I saw a video of them burying cartloads in a mass grave. Horrendous.
Dont think anyone's gone above 1000 YET
Yeah I've just rechecked, on April 2nd. I must have remembered that wrong - soz ! I was pretty sure on those figures so I'd love to know where I saw/thought I saw that !
A few of their ministers say they are over the hump - I hope so for their sake but if anyone remembers I was saying 2 - 2.5 months is what it took China and S. Korea to quell the outbreak. Not sure if our partying populace can emulate that but for both Spain and Italy it's looking like they could be ca. 3-4 months to see it decrease to a level enabling those countries to reopen, which would be astonishing considering how much worse it was there.
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The USA have not only gone over 1,000 deaths in a day 8 times but close to 2,000 a few times too. They look likely to break that today. Looking like they'll be by far the worst (per million) of any country by the time this is over.
Yeah that's right . Mind you if you're going on populations that's the equivalent of around 400 if comparing with UK.
True !
Though New York alone hit nearly 800 yesterday and will surpass that today - that would make that city alone around 7 times more deadly than the UK rate today ! I think Trump was serious about walling them in - he'd likely make them pay for the wall too.
I can see it lasting longer too. The health service couldn't cope otherwise.
I think the country is a write off until September.
Horrible I know, saw the images on TV, have a feeling it is going to get worse in terms of number of deaths. Too think - Trump was upset that the Governor of New York was not a bit gracious with all the work his administration did for him !!! - yeah 1000's of his residents die by the day and he is not being gracious. You could not write that sort of script in a bad US president movie.
@Frogfish - I have read through some of the exchange of views between yourself and the guy with no name. Out of interest - do you actually believe the Chinese numbers ? - have seen many views here about various governments - did they lock-down too late or in time/early. The number of deaths in all our countries suggests that all these countries were doing full lock-downs after deaths had started ( with the exception of Germany ). Earlier on you asked questions about the German death numbers, I talked to my wife about that - and she tells me that the way they do the numbers is not like over here and other countries - this was reported early on:
1) If Patient for instance has some other illness and then gets Covid19 - and dies, they don't always associate the death to Covid19 but the original underlying condition.
2) The testing that they have done is predominately the younger part of the population, this was mentioned by our deputy medical officer. As for Germany's ability to test - it is all down to the labs they have for diagnosis which is far greater than ours or for that matter any other country in Europe.
On Italy - they do have the 2nd oldest population in the world, and I think from reports it is the elders who have suffered the most in that country, and I have had one doctor here say that they dealt with the situation far too late in terms of lock down. With Spain - I know there are constant reports on the news but it all seems to be targeted to Madrid, and lately Barca - must be something strange their, and again probably too late with lock down measures.
With us - I am not surprised at the large numbers in London, but also it is like America disproportionately affecting ethnic minorities, you have the poorer living conditions especially in London but I know there are a high number of people in the Asian community with diabetes, and high blood pressure issues. These will obviously skew the figures somewhat - you go to most cities in this country and they have a large ethnic mix to them.
I don't have the same angst to grind against this government like many on here regarding the timing of the lock-down, but I am upset at the fact that the front-line NHS staff were not given the appropriate PPE to deal with the crisis - that was just wrong.
I will say that locking down an entire nation with the current restrictions is hard for any government, no matter what compensation you can give the population you are directly impacting the living of millions of people who may never recover after this - as a result you will create a society issue afterwards, already you hear of an increase in domestic violence and other stuff. So there is a debate to be had of the long term damage of the lock-down versus the immediate impact of the virus.
You live in Frasiers apartment, in Seattle, as any fule know.
In all seriousness, glad you're OK Gene. Stay inside as much as possible & keep that way.
Is it? Thanks for the update. I haven't really being paying attention to the thousands of people dying all around me.
WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS, CHAMPIONS OF EUROPE.
And they can die on a cold rainy day in stoke.
Why not just flee to your giant vacation house on a little island with a single small hospital, you know where I live. Be sure to give your gardener, movers, and various other staff some very personal attention.
They use Moving Averages a lot for financial data. The period over which you average is pulled out of your arse. Sometimes you use a short period and longer period, to see whether the trend is weakening or strengthening compared to the past. It's bullshit.
Other people keep and measure the daily fluctuations to quantify the risk, and then use that to price insurance or stock options. That got the Nobel prize in economics. Alas it is also bullshit.
I should have known that using those models will be the death of us all. I should have killed them first. I wanted to. It's too late now.
Well, here's a few reasons: we have only been testing people admitted to hospitals, and so are already really sick.
Germany, on the other hand, have been testing far more people, many with mild symptoms, or none at all, hence a far lower death rate.
(Clever Germans. Beijing should take note, although they just make up data anyway).
Just one of the many fun statistical facts you can use, or you can just blame Boris Johnson for everything, which is easier, and requires less of an inquisitive mind
Some people seem to be quite happy so many people have died in the UK, and can thus claim Boris Johnson and the Tories are evil.
Maybe they actually planned the deaths of so many, possibly as a way of crashing the economy and making it easier to do a 'hard Brexit'
Actually, while the first part is true on this Forum, that last bit has been doing the rounds on the ever-entertaining lunatic left Twitter fringes.
So will make its way here eventually.
Maybe they actually planned the deaths of so many, possibly as a way of crashing the economy and making it easier to do a 'hard Brexit'
Actually, while the first part is true on this Forum, that last bit has been doing the rounds on the ever-entertaining lunatic left Twitter fringes.
So will make its way here eventually.
There was no need to wait for corona to claim the Tories were evil cos people were dying, that shit's been going on for a decade thanks to austerity...
*shrugs*
*shrugs*
You should go to the court one day, should we still be alive after this is over, and just sit for a day listening to the thirty minute hearings of various arms of government being sued. Tax cases. Immigration cases. Fitness to practice cases. Housing cases. The truth will reveal itself to you. The deaths are nothing to do with austerity. It's to do with the people working in these public administration roles being total frauds, trying to scam the taxpayer for every penny they can, then lying through their teeth to pretend they did their jobs. The clueless public then blame the collapsing services upon insufficient funding, and demand more spending. They are literally demanding that more of their income be handed over to the fraudsters who are rinsing them dry.
When you go shopping, just have a fucking look at the amount of roadworks still going on. What the fuck are the council doing spending money digging up roads when we can't afford enough PPE for health workers? Oh of course, they needed to spend their budget before the end of the financial year lest they don't receive the same amount next year. They're no better than footballers.
That's misdirected. For one thing many of the roadworks will be the responsibility of the utility companies rather than local government, and for another the resources local govt.gets from central govt.to perform the legal duties laid on them by that same government largely stay the same in real terms, or get cut, while costs are going up like everyone else's because of inflation. So yes, they do have play those games over the budget, because the system for funding local govt.was centralised by Margaret Thatcher and ruined in the process (deliberately, because she and her colleagues wanted to abolish local govt.altogether), but it's still the councils which ship the blame when local services fall short - which happens far less often than it should because local councils are actually a sod of a lot more efficient than central govt.and always have been. Bring back local rates and let councils stand or fall by their own decisions, or aim the criticism where it belongs, namely at Whitehall.
I've covered this already a number of times mate. No-one believes the numbers given out however maybe they can be used as the base and (as theorised by numerous UK medical sources) multiplied by x10 or x40 or any number in between. The main factor it seems was used to keep the numbers artificially low was not disregarding them at all but having such a high criteria for classification - such as the need for the patient to have had a CT-Scan.
CT scans & X-rays are incredibly efficient over there, I had one taken a couple of years back and was talking with the doctor regarding the results within, literally ca. 30 mins of entering the hospital, this was a new public hospital and not in the city centre. However during the epidemic the CT- Scanning Depts of the hospitals in Wuhan must have been totally overwhelmed regardless of classification directives. Add in the fear of minions of being apportioned blame, all the way up the ladder, and it's obvious how the figures can then become wildly distorted.
I don't think they locked down too late simply because no Govt. in the world would be the first to lock down a city, or a country, until faced with impending doom. Didn't happen with H1N1 for example. Maybe lessons were learned.
Search this forum for the Timeline I posted - in a city of 11 million I don't think it would have been considered critical to lock-down much earlier than it was, a week earlier could be debated but, considering the usual slow pace of Govt. ruling apparatus, then it was a pretty swift response. It's much easier to make those decisions (in other countries, such as South Korea) when the effects and disease are known and they can base response on a known example.
I was in two Chinese cities at the time of the worst of the outbreak there (Wenzhou - just 850 kms away from Wuhan - for 10 days visiting my mother-in-law over the CNY in January, and Shanghai until we flew out on the 18th Feb. whilst quarantining was still going on) and even with a hospital visit (scan on my damaged Achilles Heel) I still didn't see anything obviously untoward in those cities.
Neither did the many freelance foreign photographers posting shots there on a couple of forums I inhabit - Wuhan/Hubei excepted - other than mostly empty streets and, in Wenzhou, barricades to prevent unauthorised movement, my mate sent me some iPhone videos he made whilst cycling around his home in Wenzhou, a week after we went back to Shanghai. Other cities seemed to cope just fine.
Interesting. There clearly has to a reason associated with such a low fatality rate and I've always suspected it was to do with CV-19 death classification since even the 'Test Theories' mentioned are not going to affect the rate to the same extent.
Who said anything about testing. I'm talking about dead people. More people are dying here than anywhere else apart from the US, which is a bit bigger than here.
Of course it's our govts fault.
That's a new one. Germany wasn't following the pattern of any country that was successful. Instead mass early testing, and the efficient mobilization that requires was in fact a crafty attempt to pad their numbers.
Saving lives was an unwelcome side effect.
I didn't realize you were such a chauvinist.
Saving lives was an unwelcome side effect.
I didn't realize you were such a chauvinist.
Is Brendan's surname O'Neill?