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Chinese "Devil Virus" - anyone worried?

Only if you ate the foxes afterwards. Which would actually make it a bit less repulsive as a pastime.

As for wet markets vs wild/ bushmeat markets, the whole fucking LOT need to go, as they are disgusting and dangerous.
And you're an imbecilic egomaniac who clearly has no idea of the massive logistical nightmare across the globe that would cause. Unless you can come up with a realistic alternative (you can't because far greater minds than yours are still pondering that) I suggest you just STF up because you are demonstrating your total ignorance at every turn.

Never lost an argument. Joke. You've been battered from pillar to post in this thread.
 
And you're an imbecilic egomaniac who clearly has no idea of the massive logistical nightmare across the globe that would cause. Unless you can come up with a realistic alternative (you can't because far greater minds than yours are still pondering that) I suggest you just STF up because you are demonstrating your total ignorance at every turn.

Never lost an argument. Joke. You've been battered from pillar to post in this thread.

Alright Frog Xi Ping! I'll have some of what you're eating lad.

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Worse in what context though ? Because if you're talking about handling of this virus our curve trajectory isn't looking so rosy.

Worse in not fucking lying about it, silencing dissident voices, withholding data, seeding propaganda, faking official reports on mortality rates and paying off the WHO to pretend everything was A-OK, and therefore directly responsible for the amount of deaths globally.
 
Not to mention the government letting UK suppliers sell hundreds of thousands of items of PPE equipment & ventilators to other countries who were stocking up.
I read today that there were 1,400 offers to supply Testing Kits. Ventilators and Masks to the Dept. of Health's plea on their website but the response was generally an auto-response that they'll get back to them within 7 days. Fuck that, bring in whatever staffing numbers are needed to vet the offers within 24 hrs, within a week those resources could be here and distributed.
 
Worse in not fucking lying about it, silencing dissident voices, withholding data, seeding propaganda, faking official reports on mortality rates and paying off the WHO to pretend everything was A-OK, and therefore directly responsible for the amount of deaths globally.

Well if there's evidence of that, yeh, that's pretty bad. Do you have some ?
 
Hmmm. The problem I'm having here isn't that I object to labeling the virus by it's likely country of origin, it's the fact that other racist twats take that information and then, by association are aggressive towards all people who look like they may be from China. Take my wife for instance. Born in America to Chinese parents. I just had to chin some fucking cunt in the parking lot two days ago for screaming at my wife about causing all this shit.

@manwithnoname I hold you responsible for this - by association of course.
That's awful. Not surprising though - so many thick twats around who are either unable to differentiate between a Govt. and an individual. Hope she's OK. I won't allow my wife out without me here and we've never had a word said (though a few stares and people moving to other seats on the Metro) however there haven't been any racist attacks against people of Asian origin in Austria that I'm aware of, but for sure I'd end up in jail if anyone started on her.
 
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Worse in not fucking lying about it, silencing dissident voices, withholding data, seeding propaganda, faking official reports on mortality rates and paying off the WHO to pretend everything was A-OK, and therefore directly responsible for the amount of deaths globally.
You can ignore the timeline I posted on p35 of this thread (since obviously it isn't commensurate with your rhetoric) all you like but it doesn't change the facts that the new coronavirus was genetically sequenced and announced to the world on the 8th January (with the sequencing posted online).

8-18th December : first cases appeared in the Huanan Seafood Market, Wuhan (no quarantine in place)
21st December : CCDC announced an outbreak of "pneumonia of an unknown cause" (no quarantine in place)
27th December : genetic sequencing complete (posted online) (no quarantine in place)
1st January : Huanan Seafood Market was closed on 1 January 2020 (no quarantine in place)
8th January : Scientists in China announced the discovery of a new coronavirus. (no quarantine in place)

So yes, regardless of the attempted cover up in the early stages (mid to late December) and diddling of the numbers, the world still knew of the new coronavirus and it's deadly abilities as early as the 8th January. And still they dallied.
 
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Worse in not fucking lying about it, silencing dissident voices, withholding data, seeding propaganda, faking official reports on mortality rates and paying off the WHO to pretend everything was A-OK, and therefore directly responsible for the amount of deaths globally.

From Wikipedia (Cause I'm a lazy arse - the citations are there - go dig them out if you want)

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A pneumonia cluster of unknown cause was observed on 26 December and treated by the doctor Zhang Jixian in Hubei Provincial Hospital, who informed the Wuhan Jianghan CDC on 27 December.[460][461] On 30 December, a group of doctors at Wuhan Central Hospital alerted their colleagues of a "SARS-like coronavirus". Eight of these doctors, including Li Wenliang,[462] were admonished by the police for spreading false rumours, and another, Ai Fen, was reprimanded by her superiors for raising the alarm.[463] The Wuhan Municipal Health Commission later released a public notice on 31 December and informed the WHO.[303][464][465] Enough cases of unknown pneumonia had been reported to health authorities in Wuhan to trigger an investigation in early January.[304]
During the early stages of the outbreak, the number of cases doubled approximately every seven and a half days.[466] In early and mid-January 2020, the virus spread to other Chinese provinces, helped by the Chinese New Year migration and Wuhan being a transport hub and major rail interchange.[2] On 20 January, China reported nearly 140 new cases in one day, including two people in Beijing and one in Shenzhen.[467] Later official data shows that 6,174 people had already developed symptoms by 20 January 2020.[468]
On 10 January, based on reports from Chinese authorities, the WHO issued a travel advisory asking travellers to follow guidelines "to reduce the general risk of acute respiratory infections while travelling in or from affected areas (currently Wuhan City)".[469] While noting that the mode of transmission of the virus was unclear, it advised against "the application of any travel or trade restrictions on China". On 12 January, based on additional information from the Chinese National Health Commission, the WHO stated that "at this stage, there is no infection among healthcare workers, and no clear evidence of human to human transmission."[470]


People queueing outside a Wuhan pharmacy to buy face masks and medical supplies
On 13 January, the first known case of the virus outside China was confirmed in Thailand, being that of a Chinese traveller. WHO stated it had expected such cases, and called for "on-going active monitoring and preparedness in other countries".[471] On 20 January, the Chinese National Health Commission confirmed that human-to-human transmission of COVID-19 had already occurred.[472] On 24 January, the WHO updated its travel advisory by recommending entry and exit screenings while continuing to advise against travel restrictions.[473] On 27 January, the WHO assessed the risk of COVID-19 to be "high at the global level".[474]
On 30 January, the WHO declared the outbreak to be a Public Health Emergency of International Concern, warning that "all countries should be prepared for containment, including active surveillance, early detection, isolation and case management, contact tracing and prevention of onward spread" of the virus.[7][475
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Timeline
Christmas - One Chinese doctor reports to Wuhan CDC of a pneumonia cluster of unknown cause
30 December - Eight doctors alerted their colleagues of a "SARS-like coronavirus". The authorities think they're all bat-shit crazy.
1 January - The market of evil is closed .
Early January - Wuhan informs the WHO and starts an investigation.
10 January - based on reports from Chinese authorities, the WHO issues a travel advisory
20 January - the Chinese National Health Commission confirmed that human-to-human transmission of COVID-19 had already occurred
23 January - China locks down an an entire province of 11.08 million people.
27 January - the WHO assessed the risk of COVID-19 to be "high at the global level
30 January, - the WHO declared the outbreak to be a Public Health Emergency of International Concern,

I don't want to juxtapose the response of other countries here. (Let's just say there are some politicians who still say this is just another flu) But this shit escalated in literally 2 weeks to the biggest shit-fest ever. At what point was the great cover-up you keep talking about, and what should they have done differently?
 
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From Wikipedia (Cause I'm a lazy arse - the citations are there - go dig them out if you want)

[article][/article][article]
A pneumonia cluster of unknown cause was observed on 26 December and treated by the doctor Zhang Jixian in Hubei Provincial Hospital, who informed the Wuhan Jianghan CDC on 27 December.[460][461] On 30 December, a group of doctors at Wuhan Central Hospital alerted their colleagues of a "SARS-like coronavirus". Eight of these doctors, including Li Wenliang,[462] were admonished by the police for spreading false rumours, and another, Ai Fen, was reprimanded by her superiors for raising the alarm.[463] The Wuhan Municipal Health Commission later released a public notice on 31 December and informed the WHO.[303][464][465] Enough cases of unknown pneumonia had been reported to health authorities in Wuhan to trigger an investigation in early January.[304]
During the early stages of the outbreak, the number of cases doubled approximately every seven and a half days.[466] In early and mid-January 2020, the virus spread to other Chinese provinces, helped by the Chinese New Year migration and Wuhan being a transport hub and major rail interchange.[2] On 20 January, China reported nearly 140 new cases in one day, including two people in Beijing and one in Shenzhen.[467] Later official data shows that 6,174 people had already developed symptoms by 20 January 2020.[468]
On 10 January, based on reports from Chinese authorities, the WHO issued a travel advisory asking travellers to follow guidelines "to reduce the general risk of acute respiratory infections while travelling in or from affected areas (currently Wuhan City)".[469] While noting that the mode of transmission of the virus was unclear, it advised against "the application of any travel or trade restrictions on China". On 12 January, based on additional information from the Chinese National Health Commission, the WHO stated that "at this stage, there is no infection among healthcare workers, and no clear evidence of human to human transmission."[470]


People queueing outside a Wuhan pharmacy to buy face masks and medical supplies
On 13 January, the first known case of the virus outside China was confirmed in Thailand, being that of a Chinese traveller. WHO stated it had expected such cases, and called for "on-going active monitoring and preparedness in other countries".[471] On 20 January, the Chinese National Health Commission confirmed that human-to-human transmission of COVID-19 had already occurred.[472] On 24 January, the WHO updated its travel advisory by recommending entry and exit screenings while continuing to advise against travel restrictions.[473] On 27 January, the WHO assessed the risk of COVID-19 to be "high at the global level".[474]
On 30 January, the WHO declared the outbreak to be a Public Health Emergency of International Concern, warning that "all countries should be prepared for containment, including active surveillance, early detection, isolation and case management, contact tracing and prevention of onward spread" of the virus.[7][475
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Timeline
Christmas - One Chinese doctor reports to Wuhan CDC of a pneumonia cluster of unknown cause
30 December - Eight doctors alerted their colleagues of a "SARS-like coronavirus". The authorities think they're all bat-shit crazy.
1 January - The market of evil is closed .
Early January - Wuhan informs the WHO and starts an investigation.
10 January - based on reports from Chinese authorities, the WHO issues a travel advisory
20 January - the Chinese National Health Commission confirmed that human-to-human transmission of COVID-19 had already occurred
23 January - China locks down an an entire province of 11.08 million people.
27 January - the WHO assessed the risk of COVID-19 to be "high at the global level
30 January, - the WHO declared the outbreak to be a Public Health Emergency of International Concern,

I don't want to juxtapose the response of other countries here. (Let's just say there are some politicians who still say this is just another flu) But this shit escalated in literally 2 weeks to the biggest shit-fest ever. At what point was the great cover-up you keep talking about, and what should they have done differently?
One correction mate. Wuhan has a population of 11m, Hubei province has nearly 60m, all of which were locked down.
 
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Intelligence officials have told the White House for weeks that China has vastly understated the spread of the coronavirus and the damage the pandemic has done.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/02/us/politics/cia-coronavirus-china.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage
This isn't news. UK Med labs said the same in January/February. Stating that based on transmission and mortality rates the real figures were at least x10 higher. Nobody believed the figures from the get-go however they were representative even if under-stated.
 
Brendan would look so ugly in this thread if people weren't defending the Chinese government response at all. The idiocy of trying to act like the Chinese aren't in part responsible, is only slightly less stupid than helping your own government distract from what is at best incompetence, or at worst greasing the wheel of commerce with grannies blood.

Set aside the flimsy premise of a debate about whether saying Chinese virus is racist, when a racist is contemptuously spitting the word out as a dog whistle, what is actually going on here? Is this the thread where we say racist unfunny things to Chinese people because they are Chinese, and we are bored? It's cruel but we need to kill some time, and they are so sensitive.
 
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That is China's manufacturing index, the figure (gullible) investors use to forecast their growth (below 50 is doom, above 50 is growth). So China are telling the rest of the world they managed to make a v-shaped insta-recovery. Seems totally legit.
 
I'm asking you what your evidence is. Having suspicions and evidence are different things. So, do you have something evidence based I can read ?

I would have thought it to be obvious that when the UK starts disappearing doctors that contradict Boris Johnson that will be the time the UK is the same as China.
 
BTW for those that don't know/understand China just an explanation of how figures can be vastly under-stated without Central Govt. involvement (though of course they could still be and probably were involved).

Due to the vastness of the country and massive 1.6 billion population the local Provincial and then on down to the level of City/Town/village management are, at each level, all trying to secure their positions (as per politicians the world over) and so employ deniability of issues that may create disquiet with their superiors or call their governance into question.

Apply that to Wuhan and it's clear that the local government did all they could to cover this up, initially believing it was just another flu virus as per the many new flu viruses that appear each year. Once it was clear that wasn't the case the Central Govt. acted to removed the local management. Of course they still likely massaged the figures to try to retain business confidence.
 
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I would have thought it to be obvious that when the UK starts disappearing doctors that contradict Boris Johnson that will be the time the UK is the same as China.

The problem with the looney left is they will always put China / Venezuela on a pedestal. A virus that became a pandemic because of the suppression of the truth by communists.
 
This isn't news. UK Med labs said the same in January/February. Stating that based on transmission and mortality rates the real figures were at least x10 higher. Nobody believed the figures from the get-go however they were representative even if under-stated.

It's not going to do the Chinese government any favours in the international community is it ? Not big or clever.
 
I would have thought it to be obvious that when the UK starts disappearing doctors that contradict Boris Johnson that will be the time the UK is the same as China.

Maybe not dishing out appropriate PPE is the UK governments way of sorting that.
 
This isn't news. UK Med labs said the same in January/February. Stating that based on transmission and mortality rates the real figures were at least x10 higher. Nobody believed the figures from the get-go however they were representative even if under-stated.

Those figures are also completely irrelevant. They tell you there is a problem. Then you go about solving it. The figures being 10 times higher or lower doesn't mean anything. Infections spread exponentially, if their figures are ten times higher, well that's about three days difference. The figures are not why we thought doing nothing for three months was the way to go. All that is on Boris and his fucking dumb model. He deserves death. That's not the dantes haha persona. That man deserves to die. Be killed.
 
The problem with the looney left is they will always put China / Venezuela on a pedestal. A virus that became a pandemic because of the suppression of the truth by communists.

The problem with the loony right is they'd rather their parents died than buy foreign ventilators.
 
I would have thought it to be obvious that when the UK starts disappearing doctors that contradict Boris Johnson that will be the time the UK is the same as China.

I genuinely think some people would prefer that the UK was more like China
 
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