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Chinese "Devil Virus" - anyone worried?

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Woland said:
All I remember from watching Star Wars at the pictures was I never liked Luke and Leila. I was only dead little but I thought it was shit. Then Battlestar Galactica came out and everything was sorted. The bird was fit and the robots were better. That bird off buck rogers became the template for any bird I've fallen in love with since. Blue eyed hard bodied small titted posse representing.
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Then you saw Princess Leia in a bikini chained to Jabba the Hutt and your life changed for ever.
 
Woland said:
All I remember from watching Star Wars at the pictures was I never liked Luke and Leila. I was only dead little but I thought it was shit. Then Battlestar Galactica came out and everything was sorted. The bird was fit and the robots were better. That bird off buck rogers became the template for any bird I've fallen in love with since. Blue eyed hard bodied small titted posse representing.
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Buck Rogers, Wilma Deering, and a shout out to evil princess bird who captures Buck
 
As a kid I used to think that Diana from V was smoking hot. Then in the late 90s Channel 5 started showing it and I was sorely disappointed in my younger self.
 
Frogfish said:
From a comment on Richochet (via Medium - which removed the original article):

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The estimates that we will have an infection rate of 30% like we had in the 1918 Spanish Flu Pandemic, are more than 5,000(!) times greater than the infection rate reported from China. Even if we measure Italy’s infection rate, the worst rate for a major country in the world, a 30%infection rate would be about 338 times greater. I don’t know how anybody can tell us that this is going to multiply by 338 times the outlier country with a straight face.
Another one is the estimate of 3 to 4 million deaths in the U.S. Again, if we take the death rate per total population in Italy so far, which is far and away higher than anywhere else, 3.5 million American deaths would translate to a rate 136 times higher than Italy’s so far.
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But these estimates were provided by the eminent professors of imperial college, their projected curves were the entire reason we have delayed counteractive measures. Those models, which run counter to all common sense and logic, are why we have allowed the infection to spread unhindered, because of the 500,000 lives we'd be saving in the future. Is that all imaginary? Are you really suggesting that the 10,000 odd people who will die, their deaths will have been for no reason other than to change the cause of death from "coronavirus" to "respiratory failure" for a bunch of people who were going to die anyway? Surely not! Meanwhile places like Singapore that took rapid action have suffered no or very few deaths?

Well, perhaps if someone had murdered those dozen eminent professors before they developed these models, it would be good. The needs of the many would have outweighed the needs of the few. Oh well. Lesson learned for the next time.
 
Athens said:
As a kid I used to think that Diana from V was smoking hot. Then in the late 90s Channel 5 started showing it and I was sorely disappointed in my younger self.
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You were not alone. I believe the prospect of you swallowing rat wings has brought the memory of her back to you.
 
dantes said:
You were not alone. I believe the prospect of you swallowing rat wings has brought the memory of her back to you.
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Huh... I never thought of that. This quarantine could bring out all sorts of dark fetishes that I had successfully suppressed over the years.
 
dantes said:
But these estimates were provided by the eminent professors of imperial college, their projected curves were the entire reason we have delayed counteractive measures. Those models, which run counter to all common sense and logic, are why we have allowed the infection to spread unhindered, because of the 500,000 lives we'd be saving in the future. Is that all imaginary? Are you really suggesting that the 10,000 odd people who will die, their deaths will have been for no reason other than to change the cause of death from "coronavirus" to "respiratory failure" for a bunch of people who were going to die anyway? Surely not! Meanwhile places like Singapore that took rapid action have suffered no or very few deaths?

Well, perhaps if someone had murdered those dozen eminent professors before they developed these models, it would be good. The needs of the many would have outweighed the needs of the few. Oh well. Lesson learned for the next time.
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It's a quote. But it also puts the deaths into perspective - some of them would have died anyway so to an extent some of the deaths being attributed to C-19 are simply because the virus was found in their systems, whether it was the actual cause of death wasn't determined.

Singapore : Can't be arsed writing it out again so search for my posts in this thread re. Sing. It didn't take the 'rapid action' you seem to assign to it's reason for low infections (whilst actually Malaysia, it's neighbour, didn't take anywhere near the same actions/controls or as early, yet has a far larger population, with far more movement, and yet has half the number of infections per million population (As of today : Sing. 74 per million, Mal. 47 per million, UK 84 per million, Germany 313 per million, Norway 445 per million, Ireland 183 per million). Explain that 😉

Edit : I continue to believe that the average temperature in a country is a major factor (which helps to explain Sing, Thailand & Malaysia). No country not in the Green Band, of the diagram I posted earlier in this thread, has experienced infection growth of that affecting more temperate countries.
 
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Frogfish said:
It's a quote. But it also puts the deaths into perspective - some of them would have died anyway so to an extent some of the deaths being attributed to C-19 are simply because the virus was found in their systems, whether it was the actual cause of death wasn't determined.

Singapore : Can't be arsed writing it out again so search for my posts in this thread re. Sing. It didn't take the 'rapid action' you seem to assign to it's reason for low infections (whilst actually Malaysia, it's neighbour, didn't take anywhere near the same actions/controls or as early, yet has a far larger population, with far more movement, and yet has half the number of infections per million population (As of today : Sing. 74 per million, Mal. 47 per million, UK 84 per million, Germany 313 per million, Norway 445 per million, Ireland 183 per million). Explain that 😉

Edit : I continue to believe that the average temperature in a country is a major factor (which helps to explain Sing, Thailand & Malaysia). No country not in the Green Band, of the diagram I posted earlier in this thread, has experienced infection growth of that affecting more temperate countries.
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I find your lack of faith in Singapore disturbing https://www.ft.com/content/ca4e0db0-6aaa-11ea-800d-da70cff6e4d3

[article]Singapore reported its first two deaths from the pathogen only this weekend, despite being one of the first countries to be hit by the outbreak outside China two months ago. That has made it one of the safest places in the world for patients of the disease, which has already killed more than 13,000 people globally.

The city’s success in dealing with the outbreak is attributed to the government’s speed in imposing border controls soon after the disease first erupted in China, meticulous tracing of known carriers, aggressive testing, a clear public communication strategy and a bit of luck.

But while government measures to contain the first wave of infections were effective, they also raised questions about the invasiveness of the state. Surveillance cameras, police officers and contact-tracing teams have helped the government find 7,957 close contacts of confirmed cases, who have all been quarantined.

The government on Friday launched TraceTogether, an app that uses bluetooth to record distance between users and the duration of their encounters. People consent to give the information, which is encrypted and deleted after 21 days, to the health ministry. The department can contact users in case of “probable contact” with an infected individual.

And even though Singapore has been successful so far, the battle is far from over. To deal with a potential second wave of infections, the government on Sunday banned short-term visitors from entering or transiting through the country. Returning residents will have to undergo quarantine for 14 days at home or risk a fine of up to S$10,000 ($6,900) and/or six months in jail.
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Frogfish said:
It's a quote. But it also puts the deaths into perspective - some of them would have died anyway so to an extent some of the deaths being attributed to C-19 are simply because the virus was found in their systems, whether it was the actual cause of death wasn't determined.

Singapore : Can't be arsed writing it out again so search for my posts in this thread re. Sing. It didn't take the 'rapid action' you seem to assign to it's reason for low infections (whilst actually Malaysia, it's neighbour, didn't take anywhere near the same actions/controls or as early, yet has a far larger population, with far more movement, and yet has half the number of infections per million population (As of today : Sing. 74 per million, Mal. 47 per million, UK 84 per million, Germany 313 per million, Norway 445 per million, Ireland 183 per million). Explain that 😉

Edit : I continue to believe that the average temperature in a country is a major factor (which helps to explain Sing, Thailand & Malaysia). No country not in the Green Band, of the diagram I posted earlier in this thread, has experienced infection growth of that affecting more temperate countries.
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Malaysia had a large Islamic religious gathering of over 16,000. More than 60% of New infections are from this cluster and the government had a hard time tracking all of them. Lately new clusters are found in Islamic religious schools for children. Is there a pattern here?
 
"But it also puts the deaths into perspective - some of them would have died anyway so to an extent some of the deaths being attributed to C-19 are simply because the virus was found in their systems, whether it was the actual cause of death wasn't determined"

Excellent, deaths put "into perspective".

Thanks Dear Leader!

Can we go back to eating bats now?
 
Y1 said:
Malaysia had a large Islamic religious gathering of over 16,000. More than 60% of New infections are from this cluster and the government had a hard time tracking all of them. Lately new clusters are found in Islamic religious schools for children. Is there a pattern here?
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Large gatherings are not a good idea if you want to slow a viral contagion?

Thanks!
 
We're shut from Wednesday.

Delighted TBH. Paid 100 percent to risk your health working or paid 80 percent to play FF7 remake at home? No brainer.
 
dantes said:
I find your lack of faith in Singapore disturbing https://www.ft.com/content/ca4e0db0-6aaa-11ea-800d-da70cff6e4d3

[article]Singapore reported its first two deaths from the pathogen only this weekend, despite being one of the first countries to be hit by the outbreak outside China two months ago. That has made it one of the safest places in the world for patients of the disease, which has already killed more than 13,000 people globally.

The city’s success in dealing with the outbreak is attributed to the government’s speed in imposing border controls soon after the disease first erupted in China, meticulous tracing of known carriers, aggressive testing, a clear public communication strategy and a bit of luck.

But while government measures to contain the first wave of infections were effective, they also raised questions about the invasiveness of the state. Surveillance cameras, police officers and contact-tracing teams have helped the government find 7,957 close contacts of confirmed cases, who have all been quarantined.

The government on Friday launched TraceTogether, an app that uses bluetooth to record distance between users and the duration of their encounters. People consent to give the information, which is encrypted and deleted after 21 days, to the health ministry. The department can contact users in case of “probable contact” with an infected individual.

And even though Singapore has been successful so far, the battle is far from over. To deal with a potential second wave of infections, the government on Sunday banned short-term visitors from entering or transiting through the country. Returning residents will have to undergo quarantine for 14 days at home or risk a fine of up to S$10,000 ($6,900) and/or six months in jail.
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I actually find your use of Singapore as an exemplar rather strange to be honest. It probably indicates you haven't researched the data if you are using a country the size of Anglesey and with a population 1/11th that of the UK (with the number of individuals infected per / million population roughly equivalent to that of the UK) and that has just had their largest one day leap (54 new cases in one day).

Look at the data - they had virtually zero real social distancing before 10th March (2 months after the start of the outbreak in China) !

If you look at Singapore's Timeline then local transmission started 10 days after the first imported transmission (1 local guy who infected 4 more people - with no known connection to any imported case). Clearly contact tracing hadn't worked and they were missing infected. In fact most countries admit that contact tracing doesn't work once the wave of infections starts. It's impossible to assign the people needed to trace and impossible to track every person / item the infected has been in contact with. Even the Singaporean prime minister said "that it might become futile to try to trace every contact".

As for Singapore's social distancing and quarantining : when did it start (let's remember the virus was discovered early December in Wuhan)

Let's start with the fact there were (direct quote from Goibibo on 13th November) : Around 82 flights are flying daily from Wuhan to Singapore.
2nd January : Singapore started screening people arriving from Wuhan (temperature checks - which we know are useless if asymptomatic 15-20% or recently infected and not yet showing symptoms - up to 5 days) THREE WEEKS after the virus was discovered in Wuhan.

22 January : quarantine measures were extended to travellers who arrived from anywhere in China and displayed symptoms.

22nd Jan to 1st Feb further measures were introduced on travellers.

4th February onwards, individuals who had recent close contact with people with travel history to mainland China were contacted in tracing as well.

It goes on and on slowly introducing new measures every few days - but not for locals !

7th March : suspends activities and classes and activities attended by confirmed cases for 14 days

10th March : MOH announced that government agencies will suspend activities for seniors from 11 March for 14 days. This comes after many people went out while unwell. In addition, social distancing will be implemented for other activities.

This timeline should be more than enough to dispel any thoughts of Singapore as an exemplar.
 
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If anyone's bored and wished they could have a bevvy and a dance we just set up a radio/livestream channel. I know theres a fair few here into their dance music so feel free to have a goose

 
These are very likely to be the final months of the gregorian calendar, perhaps it would be fitting to remix those tracks with some gregorian chants.
 
dantes said:
I think you need to adjust those figures for number of people tested / million population.
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Haha I think someone is deflecting. You went on about the measures they had taken whereas the timeline shows they were neither early nor extensive .. by a long way.

I still believe that the temperature in these regions has some inhibiting effect. Though Sing. has a remarkable A/C culture. Their malls, restaurants etc. are bloody freezing !
 
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Meanwhile.. Some Geordie fat thick twat with money, not to be outdone by Tim Martin last week has categorised his stores as an essential service and will remain open..


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I know he has said about closing down all stores except essentials, will that include take away outlets and coffee shops that you can have a take out from that have still remained open. I know I am being a selfish cunt but i really need my morning walk and that double expresso and some cake in the morning to get going. Will the High Street banks be open ?
Thanks in advance.
 
Mojo said:
Here in SA too, for 21 days from midnight on Thursday, 26th.
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My Nonna (gran in Italian) just passed in Cape Town last night ... The family can't even fly in to bury her, and the funeral will be tiny.
Stay safe over there ... From what I'm being told, the country is united by Ramaphosa - which is good. Hopefully, you guys will come out ok from this terrible plague.
 
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