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Chinese "Devil Virus" - anyone worried?

There will be casualties either way, but significantly likely to be way less if people go into lockdown according to every source outside of the UK (an old forum saying here was, if everyone else thinks you're wrong, you probably are). If the choice is whether to prioritise lives or the economy, it should be a really easy one.
 
There will be casualties either way, but significantly likely to be way less if people go into lockdown according to every source outside of the UK (an old forum saying here was, if everyone else thinks you're wrong, you probably are). If the choice is whether to prioritise lives or the economy, it should be a really easy one.

They're the same thing to anyone that is not a multinational corporation or their puppet government.
 
There will be casualties either way, but significantly likely to be way less if people go into lockdown according to every source outside of the UK (an old forum saying here was, if everyone else thinks you're wrong, you probably are). If the choice is whether to prioritise lives or the economy, it should be a really easy one.

Do you mean all key workers should also be in lockdown?
 
Looking at China, clearly locking down for a bit works... even if it ends up needing to be repeated. This half arsed thing we're doing, I don't get it at all.

And yeah, I don't know if I'm more scared of the virus or the economic collapse, but if it could all be done in a few months by declaring jihad on going over the door then I'm all for it. I know I'll go bust just as quickly with half business as no business, I guess most people are similar. Just take the hit now.
 
Looking at China, clearly locking down for a bit works... even if it ends up needing to be repeated. This half arsed thing we're doing, I don't get it at all.

And yeah, I don't know if I'm more scared of the virus or the economic collapse, but if it could all be done in a few months by declaring jihad on going over the door then I'm all for it. I know I'll go bust just as quickly with half business as no business, I guess most people are similar. Just take the hit now.

Of course you will know more about this than me, but isn't there some Government support, 80% wages paid, rent subsidies etc for businesses like pubs?

From April 1st or whatever?

Because otherwise, isn't almost everything apart from Supermarkets, Pharmacies and petrol stations going to collapse entirely?
 
No, but their kids should be.

So key workers are expendable. Their kids are to be looked after at school aren't they? I'm sure I heard that their kids were to be looked after at school while they're out working. I know there are bad parents out there but I'm sure most would let schools look after their kids and they wouldn't leave them in the house on their own.
 
Do you mean all key workers should also be in lockdown?
"Key workers" categories are a load of my arse.

Every member of HMRC is classed as a key worker. Which is fucking insane.

I have to talk in vague terms here, doing otherwise isn't allowed.

The job I do only very very indirectly leads to revenue generation. The work I'm doing currently is three years behind & was four years behind when we started it a few months ago, so that tells you how much of a priority it is.

Bex job is based around importations, but due to the very specific nature of what she does her entire department could literally stop entirely for months & it would have a very minimal impact, if any, on revenues.

These examples are repeated amongst loads of people I know.

Then you have the supermarket staff & delivery drivers who aren't classed as key workers. My entire team & at least twelve others I know of could stop working Monday & there'd be no impact on the public. If everyone in a supermarket stopped working we'd be fucked.
 
I'm obviously not saying to leave kids home alone. But having them in schools, with other children and teachers is not a good idea. As someone else said, it's half arsed. You either go all out and try and stop this thing dead, as soon as possible, or it'll continue on indefinitely.
 
"Key workers" categories are a load of my arse.

Every member of HMRC is classed as a key worker. Which is fucking insane.

I have to talk in vague terms here, doing otherwise isn't allowed.

The job I do only very very indirectly leads to revenue generation. The work I'm doing currently is three years behind & was four years behind when we started it a few months ago, so that tells you how much of a priority it is.

Bex job is based around importations, but due to the very specific nature of what she does her entire department could literally stop entirely for months & it would have a very minimal impact, if any, on revenues.

These examples are repeated amongst loads of people I know.

Then you have the supermarket staff & delivery drivers who aren't classed as key workers. My entire team & at least twelve others I know of could stop working Monday & there'd be no impact on the public. If everyone in a supermarket stopped working we'd be fucked.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51972793

Who are "key workers"?
The full list includes:
Frontline health workers such as doctors and nurses
Some teachers and social workers
Workers in key public services including those essential to the justice system, religious staff and public service journalists
Local and national government workers deemed crucial to delivering essential public services
Workers involved in food production processing, distribution, sale and delivery

Public safety workers including police, armed forces personnel, firefighters and prison staff
Essential air, water, road and rail transport workers
Utilities, communication and financial services staff, including postal workers and waste disposal workers
 
So key workers are expendable. Their kids are to be looked after at school aren't they? I'm sure I heard that their kids were to be looked after at school while they're out working. I know there are bad parents out there but I'm sure most would let schools look after their kids and they wouldn't leave them in the house on their own.
Our kids could be looked after at the school. We're not going to cos we can work for home.

The schools have been texting & emailing constantly begging parents not to leave the kids there unless there is absolutely no other choice, & that there will be no way to give them any real education, it's just childcare.

They were told to plan for a maximum of 20% of pupils staying. They've hit more like 40-50% staying (its not just key workers, but any kids with any kind of special needs provision at all, no matter how minor, or parent with any serious medical conditions, so the numbers are huge) & are shitting themselves, rightly so, about how to handle it.
 
Of course you will know more about this than me, but isn't there some Government support, 80% wages paid, rent subsidies etc for businesses like pubs?

From April 1st or whatever?

Because otherwise, isn't almost everything apart from Supermarkets, Pharmacies and petrol stations going to collapse entirely?

Yeah there is all this, and it's great and will help loads for a month or two. I'm just looking at say three months from now and we're still in the total shit. What I actually pay myself isn't that much, doesn't even touch the sides if I've got to use that to pay debts etc, so if this last more than a short while, I'm bankrupt, coz stupidlly I invested in a few different businesses without even factoring in a global pandemic. Fuck the pubs and the brewery, I've written them off already. I'm worried about my software biz now. That's the only thing that can still operate, whether it will still be going or not in a few months, I dunno.
 
Our kids could be looked after at the school. We're not going to cos we can work for home.

The schools have been texting & emailing constantly begging parents not to leave the kids there unless there is absolutely no other choice, & that there will be no way to give them any real education, it's just childcare.

They were told to plan for a maximum of 20% of pupils staying. They've hit more like 40-50% staying (its not just key workers, but any kids with any kind of special needs provision at all, no matter how minor, or parent with any serious medical conditions, so the numbers are huge) & are shitting themselves, rightly so, about how to handle it.

Do these schools not know their own pupils and demographics? I bet they do. There are many schools, three I know of, with few, if any attendees. You can't just take a blanket percentage and apply it to all areas and situations in an entire country. That's just dull. Does everyone have to be so literal?

You'd have to be a majestically dim head teacher not to have done a rough headcount of those pupils who might need looking after.
 
Yeah there is all this, and it's great and will help loads for a month or two. I'm just looking at say three months from now and we're still in the total shit. What I actually pay myself isn't that much, doesn't even touch the sides if I've got to use that to pay debts etc, so if this last more than a short while, I'm bankrupt, coz stupidlly I invested in a few different businesses without even factoring in a global pandemic. Fuck the pubs and the brewery, I've written them off already. I'm worried about my software biz now. That's the only thing that can still operate, whether it will still be going or not in a few months, I dunno.

Oh fuck.

It's nice that while I type this, a repeating alarm and a grating metallic voice over a loudspeaker is blaring through my kitchen doors, just to add to the general nightmare dystopian vibe.
 
Our kids could be looked after at the school. We're not going to cos we can work for home.

The schools have been texting & emailing constantly begging parents not to leave the kids there unless there is absolutely no other choice, & that there will be no way to give them any real education, it's just childcare.

They were told to plan for a maximum of 20% of pupils staying. They've hit more like 40-50% staying (its not just key workers, but any kids with any kind of special needs provision at all, no matter how minor, or parent with any serious medical conditions, so the numbers are huge) & are shitting themselves, rightly so, about how to handle it.

50%?!

That seems oddly high.
 
Do these schools not know their own pupils and demographics? I bet they do. There are many schools, three I know of, with few, if any attendees. You can't just take a blanket percentage and apply it to all areas and situations in an entire country. That's just dull. Does everyone have to be so literal?

You'd have to be a majestically dim head teacher not to have done a rough headcount of those pupils who might need looking after.
They were given the lists of key workers on Friday morning mate. That's when the list was published.
 
50%?!

That seems oddly high.
It's not the percentage for every school, it's the percentage compared to normal occupancy for the schools that remain open. They're only keeping some open, not all, so kids from x number of schools will be going to one school instead.

But the heads of the schools staying open, were told they'd have a maximum of 20% their normal occupancy. It's now much much higher. The head of the primary school begged me on Friday afternoon to come in to help, because I'm DBS checked already, which I possibly will be doing if I get permission from work to do so (cos it'll be work hours, obv), she said she's determined to take as many kids as she can, but just doesn't have the staff numbers to do so safely.
 
I think there's now two distinct camps, there's the "we're all going to die" unless we lockdown everything indefinitely until this thing we don't understand goes away; or there's the "let's try to manage this, study this, and mitigate based on evidence". The first one likely crushes all economies which requires picking up from the bootstraps during which time isolation for many becomes a definite death sentence, and the second one damages the economy to a low level of activity but infrastructure and personnel can provide some service levels, susceptible people die early, but life goes on as normally as possible until a vaccine is available.

Of course if you are a lockdown advocate you will presumably break off all contacts and prepare yourself accordingly. That could be tricky now, as any trip outside, say a supermarket shop, could put you in contact with a carrier. Also this virus may have (likely was) been in country long before we even knew it so prepping was required months ago.

The current advice for key workers to continue and all others to self isolate as directed to minimise disruption seems to me a better judgment call.

There will be casualties either way.
In a nutshell. Great post. How do you like a post multiple times.
 
Smart in the sense that it's his job to understand and predict the effect of monetary and fiscal policy upon the financial markets and real economy respectively. Thus when he takes those decisions in government, he will make smarter choices compared to a retard who studied history and politics, whilst debating other retards and drinking, like our fucking cunt of a prime minister who can't contract and die of coronavirus soon enough.

I wasn't following the thread there and didn't see who you were actually talking about. He is definitely more qualified than most to be in his position.
 
So, when the world's economy goes tits up can we all agree to start from scratch?
 
"Key workers" categories are a load of my arse.

Every member of HMRC is classed as a key worker. Which is fucking insane.

I have to talk in vague terms here, doing otherwise isn't allowed.

The job I do only very very indirectly leads to revenue generation. The work I'm doing currently is three years behind & was four years behind when we started it a few months ago, so that tells you how much of a priority it is.

Bex job is based around importations, but due to the very specific nature of what she does her entire department could literally stop entirely for months & it would have a very minimal impact, if any, on revenues.

These examples are repeated amongst loads of people I know.

Then you have the supermarket staff & delivery drivers who aren't classed as key workers. My entire team & at least twelve others I know of could stop working Monday & there'd be no impact on the public. If everyone in a supermarket stopped working we'd be fucked.

I’m classed as a key worker, working for a shipping line directly involved in import or export of products (we bring in a lot of medical supplies from the US for example).

I wouldn’t class myself as a key worker in the slightest. It’s nuts.
 
From tomorrow morning Greece is in lockdown. There'll be no going no where!

They need to start fucking testing people too, surely? Otherwise we'll just have another round after everyone is allowed out to mingle again.
 
I’m classed as a key worker, working for a shipping line directly involved in import or export of products (we bring in a lot of medical supplies from the US for example).

I wouldn’t class myself as a key worker in the slightest. It’s nuts.
Yeah, they've just grouped entire categories together without the slightest bit of specificity, they should have said "some workers within these areas", & then had it narrowed down to the workers needed to keep those key areas moving, not all the staff within that group.

The fact it was in effect from Monday but only came out Friday morning suggests they didn't have a fucking clue though.
 
From tomorrow morning Greece is in lockdown. There'll be no going no where!

They need to start fucking testing people too, surely? Otherwise we'll just have another round after everyone is allowed out to mingle again.
The medical people here are now all saying once you've had you get immunity.

Which is a bit odd, cos they didn't make that claim that a few weeks ago.
 
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