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Chinese "Devil Virus" - anyone worried?

Froggy has proper depressed me here. I think most people think like that, and that's unfortunately why we're all doomed
Ah mate there are worse things to worry about, that may affect you or your family during their lifetimes, than something which will likely only ever have a positive affect on your life. Global warming, crime, illness, Dantes etc.
 
That sounds like a good system for nightclubs (not for Metros and supermarkets. What about people who haven't been vaccinated yet?). I just don't think it should be in place long term and should be phased out once a certain percentage of people are vaccinated.
It's quick and easy and encourages people (those that just haven't been vaccinated out of laziness) to go out and get their jab(s). As the threat lessens they lift the requirement on certain places (metro, shopping malls etc. but not cinemas, hospitals and the like) and then reintroduce it whenever there's an outbreak anywhere in the country.
 
900,000 people in part of Sydney locked down over one death. Some fella in his 80s. At least I'm not in Australia.
 
"green passport" is back in effect here.
can't fly to uk, cyprus etc ...
they're going to demand the aforementioned green passport (proof you were vaccinated) or proof of recovery for any 12+ year old to be allowed into cinema, restaurant etc ...
Events over 100 will likely be canceled.
@jon545660
 
900,000 people in part of Sydney locked down over one death. Some fella in his 80s. At least I'm not in Australia.

That’s arguably why it’ll stay at one death.

Learning to live with it doesn’t necessarily mean going back to the way things were.

I do agree... though... it’s a bit balls... the missus and I are both fully Pfizer vaccinated - and we can’t got more than 5km from our front door and nothings open.

I was supposed to be going on a 2 week trip round Victoria, trying beautiful wines and beer and food...

Fucking depressing.

Although... I’ve just bought a shit tonne of wine & beer and had it sent to me instead...

Fucking 14 new cases today out of 5 million+ people in Victoria - almost all isolating the entire time they were infectious - it’s like 130 people!!!!

Raaaaaaarrrrrgggghhhh!!!

Anyway... fuck dry July... my mixed pack of selected IPA’s from Bells Beach Brewery and my bottle of Touriga Nacional from Dog Rock (Aussie Winery) is going down a treat.
 
"green passport" is back in effect here.
can't fly to uk, cyprus etc ...
they're going to demand the aforementioned green passport (proof you were vaccinated) or proof of recovery for any 12+ year old to be allowed into cinema, restaurant etc ...
Events over 100 will likely be canceled.
@jon545660
Didn't I also read Israel will be requiring those that are not vaccinated will need to pay to get a negative test to enter public places.

Also out of Israel - Pfizer starting to show waning antibodies for the fully vaccinated. Not necessarily a sign of waning immunity but it could be.
Possibly linked to the shorter times used between 1st and 2nd jabs.
 
Didn't I also read Israel will be requiring those that are not vaccinated will need to pay to get a negative test to enter public places.

Also out of Israel - Pfizer starting to show waning antibodies for the fully vaccinated. Not necessarily a sign of waning immunity but it could be.
Possibly linked to the shorter times used between 1st and 2nd jabs.

Didn't hear that - but I can guarantee you there will be class action law suits against municipalities and govt by people.
Yah it's supposedly going to mean a 3rd jab from Pfizer ... joy.
 
It kinda of seems like this must have been known for a while, because Ireland has ordered 20m doses of vaccines for a population of just over 5m.
 
They still need to show evidence that immunity is impacted. Antibodies on their own don't prove that.

Trials are already happening here for booster jabs that can better deal with variants like Beta that can partially escape vaccines.
 
That’s arguably why it’ll stay at one death.

Learning to live with it doesn’t necessarily mean going back to the way things were.

I do agree... though... it’s a bit balls... the missus and I are both fully Pfizer vaccinated - and we can’t got more than 5km from our front door and nothings open.

I was supposed to be going on a 2 week trip round Victoria, trying beautiful wines and beer and food...

Fucking depressing.

Although... I’ve just bought a shit tonne of wine & beer and had it sent to me instead...

Fucking 14 new cases today out of 5 million+ people in Victoria - almost all isolating the entire time they were infectious - it’s like 130 people!!!!

Raaaaaaarrrrrgggghhhh!!!

Anyway... fuck dry July... my mixed pack of selected IPA’s from Bells Beach Brewery and my bottle of Touriga Nacional from Dog Rock (Aussie Winery) is going down a treat.

It's fucking retarded and shouldn't be happening. Where do you draw the line? If flu still exists and come back around, do you start locking down for that too?
 
Wahh, I live in a rich country and am receiving a possibly unecessary third jab out of an abundance of caution, before the vast majority of the world has received a single shot... wahhhhhh.

yes, precisely my point as the country were ~60-70% are vaccinated are heading towards a 4th lockdown and infections climbing before the 'routine' kick off for hospitalizations (very low) & deaths (very low) begin ... but yes ... waaaahhhh ...
 
Possibility that UK might have turned a corner with Delta.

Every region of England showing cases dropping the last few days. The drop coincides with the end of the Euros footy and warmer weather. Scotland had an identical pattern when they got knocked out of the Euros.

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Next week we should see the impact of step 4 opening up which could bump it up again. Also schools/unis breaking up for summer.
 
Possibility that UK might have turned a corner with Delta.

Every region of England showing cases dropping the last few days. The drop coincides with the end of the Euros footy and warmer weather. Scotland had an identical pattern when they got knocked out of the Euros.

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Next week we should see the impact of step 4 opening up which could bump it up again. Also schools/unis breaking up for summer.

Wait until they release the antibody destroying version of the virus.
 
New research suggests that English speakers put more droplets into the air when they talk, which may make them more likely to spread COVID-19. Since the novel coronavirus is spread by droplets, how spitty a language is might contribute to different rates of the disease. It all comes down to something called aspirated consonants, the sounds we make that spray more droplets of saliva into the air
 
New research suggests that English speakers put more droplets into the air when they talk, which may make them more likely to spread COVID-19. Since the novel coronavirus is spread by droplets, how spitty a language is might contribute to different rates of the disease. It all comes down to something called aspirated consonants, the sounds we make that spray more droplets of saliva into the air

That research is a new low. They literally took the monies, plotted one graph, then called it a day. I'd kill them both. No, I'd make both authors fight to the death between themselves, then I'd kill the survivor. They did nothing to correct for the number of words or number of times a consonant is used, or a thousand other linguistic factors that effect the number of droplets. So no shit, their results ended up showing no difference, because you are trying to discern the effect of 1 retarded fucking idea out of 1000 other effects you're too much of a stupid cunt to account for.

[article]
The independent t-test analysis conducted in R showed no significant differences in cases of inflected individuals between the languages with aspiration (M = 254.9, SD = 159.5) and the languages without aspiration (M = 206, SD = 121.9), [t(18) = 0.73, p > .05]. Although no statistical differences were found between the two types of languages, we observed that in countries in which the dominant language has aspirated consonants there were more cases of individuals infected by COVID-19 in comparison to countries in which the dominant language does not have aspirated consonants.
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Translation: "the data has no statistical significance, but we're going to use the insignificant difference that our own dumbass primary school statistics approach to doing science literally tells us to make no conclusion from, to go ahead and make our conclusion anyway so we get paid".
 
New research suggests that English speakers put more droplets into the air when they talk, which may make them more likely to spread COVID-19. Since the novel coronavirus is spread by droplets, how spitty a language is might contribute to different rates of the disease. It all comes down to something called aspirated consonants, the sounds we make that spray more droplets of saliva into the air

That is one horrendously bad piece of research. Does not control for anything. Statistically insignificant but still let us make things up. I digged a little bit into the journal

Quote from the founding editor "The primary criteria for acceptance are very different from the usual journals. In essence what I look for are answers to two questions only: Is there some biological plausibility to what the author is saying? Is the paper readable? We are NOT looking at whether or not the paper is true but merely at whether it is interesting."

Translation: We will publish anything as long as it is readable and sounds interesting and plausible. Scientific merit and truth - we have no such constraints.
 
So the PCR tests that were used to test the population and create the need for the vaccine, is now being discontinued because it produces too many false positives.

The reduction of covid infections will be credited on the vaccine when in reality it was because of testing changes.
 
I looked it up because I assumed it was easily falsifiable.

If covid testing decreases were the reason for lower cases, there'd need to be a massive drop off in tests, which there isn't. The lowered tests don't correlate with the case rate. Further, in this scenario the positiivty rate for testing would increase, as it does everywhere that isn't testing sufficiently. It isn't.

Instead you are seeing the same rapid spike and diminution that delta seems to give, due to a lower incubation rate. The hospitalization rates are proof that the vaccine was incredibly effective.
 
https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dls/locs/...-Changes_CDC_RT-PCR_SARS-CoV-2_Testing_1.html

There's also this very curious recommendation:



Does that mean the PCR test didn't differentiate between covid and the normal flu ?

Gee, I don't know, perhaps you'd have to read more than one sentence to gain context. Did you try that? Did you try reading the very next sentence. Or, did you just look at this shit someone threw up on the wall and figure you might want to irresponsibly multiply it?

It's saying, hey, we are heading into flu season, let's test for both covid and flu simultaneously to conserve resources. Sounds like some good common sense.
 
And if less testing is causing the drop in Delta cases, how come Scotland (who's cases started dropping before England) are now also seeing a drop in hospitalisations.

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I never said testing will decrease. False positives will decrease.

Gee, I don't know, perhaps you'd have to read more than one sentence to gain context. Did you try that? Did you try reading the very next sentence. Or, did you just look at this shit someone threw up on the wall and figure you might want to irresponsibly multiply it?

It's saying, hey, we are heading into flu season, let's test for both covid and flu simultaneously to conserve resources. Sounds like some good common sense.

None of which answered the question I asked, can the PCR test that has been used for the last 18 months distinguish between flu and covid ?
 
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