Chinese "Devil Virus" - anyone worried?
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Hospital occupancy and deaths look like they are remaining stable though.
If you just look at the North West of England, hospitalisations are spiking. Deaths are stable for now though.
If that's replicated across the rest of the UK then we have a problem with the risk of hospitals being overwhelmed.
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Dantes was right to be terrified because dantes is a stone cold genius. Nomad was not right to have faith in scientists that he was warned were stupid.
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Dantes was right to be terrified because dantes is a stone cold genius. Nomad was not right to have faith in scientists that he was warned were stupid.
There doesn’t seem to be much doubt that cases are rising a lot due to the most recent variant. What is slightly different is that the previous link between cases, hospitalisations and deaths may not be there. It obviously used to be clear that when cases rose, shortly afterwards you’d have a rise in hospitalisations and then shortly after that you’d have a rise in deaths.
From what I have seen so far though, deaths have not really risen yet, which is the most important thing.
Hospitalisations have gone up, but I THINK that is mostly among unvaccinated people and most people are not being admitted as inpatients, so they are spending less time actually at the hospital.
Obviously that second point is important to keep an eye on, as the more people who present at hospitals, the less capacity there is for people with other problems, especially as more people are out and about.
If hospitalisations can be kept at a level where the health service is not overwhelmed then it isn’t quite so important how many cases we have, because people will get ill and recover.
I would imagine that the government probably will delay at least some of the easing of restrictions next week, and I would hope that it does so in order to ramp up the vaccinations, as it seems at least so far that they are working in preventing hospitalisations and deaths.
From what I have seen so far though, deaths have not really risen yet, which is the most important thing.
Hospitalisations have gone up, but I THINK that is mostly among unvaccinated people and most people are not being admitted as inpatients, so they are spending less time actually at the hospital.
Obviously that second point is important to keep an eye on, as the more people who present at hospitals, the less capacity there is for people with other problems, especially as more people are out and about.
If hospitalisations can be kept at a level where the health service is not overwhelmed then it isn’t quite so important how many cases we have, because people will get ill and recover.
I would imagine that the government probably will delay at least some of the easing of restrictions next week, and I would hope that it does so in order to ramp up the vaccinations, as it seems at least so far that they are working in preventing hospitalisations and deaths.
Agree with all of that, but I'd add that there are single jabbed people ending up in hospital as well.
We have around 40% of the population double jabbed. It would make sense to delay the 21st June changes to get more double jabbed. A delay of 4 weeks would take us to the point the schools and colleges break for the summer.
The problem is many of those people will still suffer respiratory damage, and become weaker after recovering. Meanwhile the virus will get stronger and more resistant. Then we have to go again for round two. My brain tells me the most important data we need is whether people vaccinated with the chinese, russian, or indian vaccines (traditional ones that use inactivated virus), we need to know if they get infected. Or if people who have had covid get re-infected. In either of those cases, we're all fucked.
It's sounding like there will be a delay to 21st June, but also seems that a lot of people aren't going to accept it.
My favourite so far is Andrew Lloyd-Webber who says he's opening his theatres on the 21st at full capacity regardless and is prepared to be arrested. I'd pay-per-view the fuck out of that.
My favourite so far is Andrew Lloyd-Webber who says he's opening his theatres on the 21st at full capacity regardless and is prepared to be arrested. I'd pay-per-view the fuck out of that.
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If you did these retrospectives on all the things you've been wrong about then you'd have no time to post anything else. Which maybe wouldn't be a bad thing.
I imagine you banish those things from memory anyway, so as not to corrupt your sense of ingeniousness.
Congrats you were right about 1 dose being not as effective as 2.
Hospitalisations and Hospital Bed Occupancy are two different things though. The trend is that those who are admitted are younger and the turnaround is quicker.If you just look at the North West of England, hospitalisations are spiking. Deaths are stable for now though.
If that's replicated across the rest of the UK then we have a problem with the risk of hospitals being overwhelmed.
Yes quite agree. It's all about what the modelling will show for the impact on hospitals if the cases rise exponentially.
Latest PHE data out today revises the Delta transmissible rate from 40% to 60% BTW.
Is the mucormycosis infecting people because of the Covid, or the treatment? I had read that the Indian doctors were relying heavily on steroids and this was the reason that the patients were becoming vulnerable to the mucormycosis.
To be fair.. from a selfish point of view, I don't mind if its delayed. Means I'll have my second shot before the restrictions are lifted.
Not the covid, but the damage done to their immune systems and to the pancreas. The doctors are denying the damage was done by steroids, and are saying it is because the Indian variant attacks the pancreas. The stats will come out when it's too late as usual, which is why I'd be inclined to trust the intuition of the doctors who are using the processing power of their brains to make conclusions.
It's almost like this virus was man made...
You're playing a very dangerous game given that you don't have all that many social credits to play with.
Worryingly there are hardly any anti-fungal drugs out there, and very few are in development.
Understandable given it was not a common / profitable enough infection, until now.
It's all fun and games until the mutation decides to move to the steeper part of the graph. Meanwhile the borders are all open for business whilst Boris is waiting for the data to be available, in order to follow the data, once we have it, follow the science, be guided by the science, several weeks from now, can't be too hasty, have to wait, patience is key, give a chance for the data scientists to prepare the statistics, then we can act. Fuck me.
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Right now you're putting the younger bit down to them not being vaccinated. I get it. One month later you will realise it is because the Indian variant is more infectious in young people.
It’s because young people are going out noshing each other off after a year of celibacy.
As if they weren't doing so all this time regardless. Those selfish cunts are a big part of why we're in this mess. No, I fear what you are seeing is that young people just shrugged off the lesser variants and never bothered getting tested. This time around they're not shrugging off the new variant, it's probably fucking up their pancreas as we speak.
My reply is going to be all over the place, as was yours, as I try to address your many comments. Also let me be unequivocal, I, in no way, condone this mass detention.
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Regarding your last point : Well actually that's exactly what it likely is. The vast majority are incarcerated and undergo re-education and Western media / politicians are totally unaware of the actual reality due to the very typical extreme secrecy in China. So you are postulating based on a guess.
You may be right, but there is no way to know that as it stands and using satellite images as 'proof' of anything is wild speculation except to confirm the presence of the camps or demolition of religious centres (the church that my wife & mother-in-law used to attend was demolished for not having the correct building licences and this is actually very common in China so it's no surprise whatsoever it's employed in Xinjiang, though likely to excess now).
And I agree with your sentence, which is to my mind the most probable scenario, since there are years of precedent demonstrating it is China's preferred method of political reeducation :
I continue to be amazed at how people in the West can be surprised at this. I can only assume it's because they are either totally ignorant of China's history or totally ignorant of how a communist country is run. That's the reality even though of course it doesn't make it right, by any consideration, and of course people that have lived under / governments that are run according to democratic constitutions will never agree with that form of government.
I'd like to know how you seem to be so involved (from your claims in the quoted post) with Uyghurs. I mean we have already established that you are racist (or at the very least display a racist attitude) towards China/Chinese (that I pulled you up on last time, no point linking to it again) so I'd like to see if this is merely an extension of that. I mean you haven't said a peep about North Korea or the outrageous rape culture in India or the Tutsi genocide or the multiple other atrocities I listed in my reply to a another comment above, but you have a helluva lot to say about China.
BTW you keep quoting BBC articles, in fact all of your links have been to the Govt. controlled BBC. But to clarify, the BBC actually have little or no better idea, of the reality of the situation, than anyone else, most of it is speculation viewed from a single standpoint ... simply because they, just like everyone else, don't have access. It's good media clickbait though.
These camps can only be seen from space, obviously no foreigners have access and the reports on widespread abuse are all from people that have a vested interest, in securing political asylum and the wealth of benefits that come with that designation. I've read quite a few of those reports and, as has been observed by other commentators, some of them didn't even mention abuse initially but then weeks/months later claimed rape, forced abortions, waterboarding etc. so considering the merit and numbers involved it's certain that some of those reports are accurate and others not, but in any event that's totally different from systemic government promoted abuse which is what the debate is with respect to. Note you (deliberately I assume) took my comment regarding 'bad apples' completely out of the context in which I'd set it.
Again, let me stress (because you love to take comments out of context) that's not to say all/many of the reports are inaccurate but that each one needs to be scrutinised because in essence these people are no different to those escaping from war-torn poverty stricken Arab states, and we know what happened / is happening there with regard to the accuracy of many claims. And yet you seem all too happy to accept everything re. Xinjiang at face value.
Clarity : it is beyond naive if you expect China to suddenly open up the doors and reveal all. China has never done that in thousands of years of history (and certainly not under the CPC !) so crying about how they haven't disclosed their government / military secrets is ridiculous. It's never going to happen and whatever the actual policy is, it will never be divulged.
However it's interesting that Chinese President Xi Jinping ended a three-day tour of the northwestern province of Qinghai on 9th June by stressing its importance (as the role model) for maintaining order in neighbouring Xinjiang and Tibet. Qinghai is a peaceful semi-autonomous province mainly inhabited by people of Tibetan or Mongolian descent.
If I were to attempt to decipher that comment it would be along the lines of : he's not happy with the attention on (or maybe governance of) Xinjiang and is stating that he is reigning in potentially rogue extremist elements in the military governing the province. At least that's my interpretation of his Sino-speak.