Are you still claiming the lab leak is a debunked theory and the least likely explanation ?
Chinese "Devil Virus" - anyone worried?
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Knock yourself out :
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10654-020-00689-2
The short version :
“The evidence suggests that ineffective national policies and responses, especially as compared to those of other wealthy nations or compared to the intricate preparation and planning by previous administrations of both parties, have been driving the terrible toll of COVID-19 and its inequities in the U.S.”
From the T H Chan Harvard School of Public Health, published in the European Journal of Epidemiology.
Not that you’ll care.
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That's your proof? Someone telling you what the evidence suggests? Got it.
As opposed to you telling me something different?
I’ll probably go with the report from the team at the highly rated Harvard medical school versus “Dantes the loon from the Liverpool FC fan site”.
No, as opposed to proof. Proving Hunter Biden's laptop exists is a straightforward thing. It did exist. You were wrong. Proving a policy by Trump caused more deaths is not straightforward. You can't reverse time and check to see the alternative. So you need to prove it using research. Your problem is that you think that what your buddies at Harvard have done is such research. It's not. The fact you can't tell the difference is down to your level of intelligence.
This is a lesser form of proof that you'd give in court. It's not proper proof by experiment. Alas because it is reported by the new york post, morons will still take the highly qualified suggestions and expert opinion of Fauci as being proof. Proceed to insult anyone who understands what proof is because they're smart. Then in six months cry when the smart person tells them they were wrong because they're retarded.
Biden cancelled the first investigation. His new investigation will find "no evidence". At this point you couldn't even find it if you genuinely tried. Then the fake news will report that as the lab being in the clear. The woke fools will claim the win. Biden will apologise to China. Then send your money to China as an act of remorse for the racist "conspiracy theory" against them. Where's that clown meme?
It's from the WSJ. But its behind a paywall. Hence the NYPost link.
Probably time to short sell the fake news companies. Their subscriptions hit new peaks over lockdown https://www.pressgazette.co.uk/news-publishers-surpassed-100000-digital-subscriptions/ and I have to believe these people are not as thick as I say.
Mate - you’re back to arguing that a laptop that had pictures of Hunter Biden getting his cock sucked is more important In determining a man’s suitability to run the country than an actual study from Harvard Medical School that looks at the actual decisions the actual President of the United States took during a pandemic that led to actual people actually losing their life.
I’m really sorry that those nasty people at Harvard said horrible things about your hero and that no one other cared about Hunter’s dick pics... but there you have it... maybe you should leave the “feels of Orang Man can do no wrong behind” and consider some actual insights from actual experts that will know what they’re actually talking about.
You might love to see it.
I'm not making that argument. I don't care about his laptop. I or maybe the other guy posted that story thinking you'd care about it since it related to your guy. Everyone claimed it was false, like instantly, like trained dogs. What I cared about were these absurd claims that it was false. I've never cared about the laptop or care whether you care about it, it's a forum I'd have liked to have seen your response to it for it's informational value.
You just think otherwise now, or want to make it seem otherwise, because it's uncomfortable for you to deal with your inadequate intelligence. Had you said well fuck his laptop is real, the china ukraine links were real, but I don't care I still want Biden to win instead of Trump, that's totally fine. Some of you did if memory serves. That's information. It's what I do with Trump. But you don't do that, you delude yourself from reality in ways which defy belief. That's not information, it's lack of intelligence and makes the entire discussion a waste of time when you're not smart enough to process the most basic of facts.
Insights? They're just talking. They're not testing, not predicting, not experimenting, just plotting graphs and talking about the graphs. You calling it insightful doesn't change that. It is because you think they are experts, you take their unproven guesswork as being right. It's 50-50, just like it was before they started talking. Even if they were as smart as Feynman, the very best it'd be is 50.001 - 49.999 in their favour. Their words mean absolutely nothing until you make a prediction and compare it to experiment.
Common sense provided the same answer as the latest science.
I expect the ones that were fooled by media mantras still won't believe it though.
No, you're not paying enough attention to what I talk about. The median wage growth for example. I don't need to prove the specific decisions taken by all the leaders in all the world over that time period that resulted in all the transactions changing so as to raise those wages. I could probably do that, I've done way harder things. But it's not necessary. You draw a black box around the mechanics, good polices go in, good outcomes come out. Simple. You're the one that wanted to unpack the black box, because you don't like Trump. Then you gave up pretty quick on that research.
That is different to talking about Trump policies causing deaths. You can't draw a black box around that, because you have no way to define or reference how many deaths is good and how many are bad. Trump's policies might have lowered the deaths for all you know. That's what he claims, and you can't prove otherwise. Nor can the Havard people.
So you get your worldviews from a bunch of 50-50 guesses, and a bunch of 0-100 mistakes when you ignore obvious black box conclusions in favour of feels. I on the other hand ignore the 50-50 stuff, and rely upon 100-0 stuff.
Trump backing and funding the police saved black lives. Had a look at the homicide rates lately? Didn't think so, not like you actually care about black lives, or if you do then you're an idiot who can't process basic facts to arrive at basic conclusions.
Sounds to me like you aren't testing, or predicting, or experimenting. Just plotting graphs and talking about graphs.
You don't need to do an experiment, homicides going up is a bad outcome, homicides going down is a good outcome. You only need to do an experiment if you want a specific number of homicides to occur, and therefore want to know which combination of polices would result in that specific number of homicides.
I've spoken, at great length to people whose family have been affected. People who have friends and family that they've not heard from in years.
One lady has over 90 members of her extended family who they've not had any contact with over the past few years.
Have they been murdered and killed? I dunno but they are certainly in 'camps' for nothing more than being Uyghur and having political views. Views are not the same as any attacks. There is plenty of evidence to support this. Not from individuals but plenty of NGOs and think tanks, feel free to not accept these views as you have a foot in both camps and that apparently these are uncorroborated in your view.
The point is also this has been going on for years, I recall this over 8 years ago. Where muslims were not allowed to fast, pray etc. The lack of willingness to do anything has allowed this current situation to occur.
This isn't a case of a handful of bad apple guards it's millions of people forcibly detained, it's people who are abused and taken from their families.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/China_hidden_camps
If the genocide word is a little too emotive for you, then certainly the suggested above of ethnic cleaning is one you'd accept. As reported, plenty of the cultural, religious buildings have been demolished, this isn't hearsay or the west thinking China are baddies, it's satellite images. 'Educating' people into the language and belief system forced labour and worse.
Plus, maybe they don't want to clarify what is exactly going on for good reason!
re somewhere in the middle between two extremes.
At best it's forced detention, imprisoned against their will, sent to work in places far away from their homeland, forced to accept the ideals of the CCP etc
at worst- well as discussed before.
Either way, there isn't a it's a bit of both sides, somewhere in the middle.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-57383548
There's that word genocide again... in this very article today.
There's that word genocide again... in this very article today.
Cc Jeremy Farrar, I notice, which means the UK government knows all about this.
Boris didn't bother to turn up to the SAGE meetings around that time, so he can reasonably claim to have had no clue. The other academics who regularly stand beside him during briefings like fucking lapdogs can't claim the same though.
so ... family wants to fly to Rhodes for vacation.
As we have 'post corona' docs and vaccinations, parents and all but one kid, the youngest, are ok.
... The Youngest however?
who was around her "confirmed positive" family members for almost 2 weeks straight?
no antibodies ...
how did she test negative 6 straight times?
Either she's immune or the tests are shit.
As we have 'post corona' docs and vaccinations, parents and all but one kid, the youngest, are ok.
... The Youngest however?
who was around her "confirmed positive" family members for almost 2 weeks straight?
no antibodies ...
how did she test negative 6 straight times?
Either she's immune or the tests are shit.
This new Delta variant seems to be spreading like mad now..
We had a ridiculously crazy transmission rate of this unknown virus which was gonna get us all.
Then the Kent variant became dominant over here cos it was like 60% ( or something) more transmissible than a super transmissible virus.
Now we have the Delta/Indian variant that's 40%. More transmissible than the Kent variant.
A friend world from Borough council locally and said surge testing is being pushed out across Berkshire now.
Likely elsewhere also.
He's very gloomy about it all
English/Scot/Welsh fans getting drunk and watching the footy, lots of young people not vaccinated and so means increase in hospitalisation etc.
Thinks we'll be pushing back that 21 June deadline and likely back in lockdown sooner rather than later
We had a ridiculously crazy transmission rate of this unknown virus which was gonna get us all.
Then the Kent variant became dominant over here cos it was like 60% ( or something) more transmissible than a super transmissible virus.
Now we have the Delta/Indian variant that's 40%. More transmissible than the Kent variant.
A friend world from Borough council locally and said surge testing is being pushed out across Berkshire now.
Likely elsewhere also.
He's very gloomy about it all
English/Scot/Welsh fans getting drunk and watching the footy, lots of young people not vaccinated and so means increase in hospitalisation etc.
Thinks we'll be pushing back that 21 June deadline and likely back in lockdown sooner rather than later
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