Chinese "Devil Virus" - anyone worried?
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I was thinking more the other way around. Northern Ireland would only receive a fraction of the Pfizer vaccine that was due for the whole of the UK.
it would be that way round. But the question I guess is that if Pfizer sent millions of doses from Belgium to Northern Ireland, who would stop them? There aren’t meant to be any checks are there?
I Agree
However, on the flip side why do the UK really need 350 million vaccines.. ?
Please somebody answer me that..
The population is 65 million. 2 jabs required.. 130million..
It's all a bit ridiculous from that perspective. we are standing our ground by saying we ordered them first.. er.. and ? We don't need 350 million vaccines..!!!!!!
Wtf are we going to do with the other 200 million jabs .. ?? Seriously ?? That's just ridiculous..
Global pandemic.. makes sure supplies are globally available. We don't need another 200 million of them, not right now anyway. Unless we are looking to export some of them..
If you are going to purchase extra make sure you factor in supplies for developing countries, that have limited access to these type of vaccines
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They're not all produced at once so I assume the UK want to keep getting as many as they can and have as many people as possible vaccinated quickly. Roll outs seem to be done as quickly as vaccines are supplied. The EU have made a right mess of this. Of course originally AZ seem to have but the EU going the EU vs UK route is weird.
Well we developed the bloody vaccine in the UK so it's no surprise the UK has priority! AZ are based in the UK (actually all over the world - they were by far my largest clients in Shanghai - but they are a Swedish-UK company), and note that AZ already has contracted orders from all over the globe, so much of the UK production will be exported.
The EU are unlucky that the Belgian manufacturing plant (not owned by AZ) has these issues. What the EU should be doing is all in it's power to solve the Belgian company's production line issues by ensuring they get them whatever they require rather than berating AZ for not being able to supply them.
Are there any Colonies left?
UK and Canada seem to be stock pilling them.
Canada has last I heard will have 5 times over.
I guess EU have done the reverse and not ordered enough and relied on some cheaper methods which has been a massive fuck up.
Then you got bigger member states like Germany and Spain saying they would have ordered our own if EU hadn’t said you will order for the collective.
At some point there will be loads which I guessed is April but everyone wants them now.
Daily Mail’s christmas has come early. Where’s Farage?
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But we don't need 350 million... Countries should not be looking stockpile at this point.. Whilst I think the EU have not been at all clever over this, this point is part of EU's argument and imho absolutely quite right, but hypocritical given the amount they have ordered at the same time..
Its global pandemic.. not exclusive to the UK or any country for that matter
Asttrazeneca are not exclusively British either, they are British-Swedish multinational pharmaceutical and biopharmaceutical company with its headquarters in Cambridge, with sites all over the world.
Only a quarter of the shares issued by the company are owned by UK investors.
Belgium unfortunately for the EU has distribution issues..
Its global pandemic.. not exclusive to the UK or any country for that matter
Asttrazeneca are not exclusively British either, they are British-Swedish multinational pharmaceutical and biopharmaceutical company with its headquarters in Cambridge, with sites all over the world.
Only a quarter of the shares issued by the company are owned by UK investors.
Belgium unfortunately for the EU has distribution issues..
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The EU have imposed transparency restrictions..
Here we go Vaccine Trade Wars incoming..
Why politicians of this world have to be dicks about everything., I've no idea..
Its ok having these restrictions if a country is receiving more vaccines than they need.. But you get the feeling its going to be so much more than that.
It seems the EU are looking to force Astrazeneca hand from supplying from British Factories to conver its distribution, whilst Belgium's has distribution and capacity issues
Here we go Vaccine Trade Wars incoming..
Why politicians of this world have to be dicks about everything., I've no idea..
Its ok having these restrictions if a country is receiving more vaccines than they need.. But you get the feeling its going to be so much more than that.
It seems the EU are looking to force Astrazeneca hand from supplying from British Factories to conver its distribution, whilst Belgium's has distribution and capacity issues
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I'm only really reading it now. Britain had a contract with AZ to get vaccines from a specific place in England. The EU had a contract for vaccines, but didn't specify from where? AZ is fulfilling Britain's one and not the EUs one, is that where we're at?
This is exactly the narrative that the government is cultivating, and will be peddling in the coming years. They are responsible for this mess, not the general population. Their flippancy, indecisiveness and mixed messaging has created nothing but confusion. Had we done all of the things you highlighted straight away, and enforced them, there could be no uncertainty about the seriousness of the threat. While Covid has undoubtedly exposed the selfishness of Western culture, the morons in the general population who aren't taking this seriously have taken their cues from the morons in Downing Street.
Giving equal weight to individual rule-breakers is letting the government off in a big way. They should be strung up for their mismanagement of this crisis (not to mention using it to line the pockets of their donors with public money), but apparently people are still happy to make excuses for them.
Let's clear a few things up.
UK like many countries effectively 'bet' on a few horses.
Do we need 350m right now? No, but we may need repeat vaccines - 1 year booster, 2 year booster. Who knows.
Have we got 350m right now? No
Are we stockpiling right now? Not if you believe the narrative that the blocker to vaccinating 500k per day is supply
Should we send surplus to the EU? There is no surplus to the govt targets at the minute
The Belgian plant is Pfizer. You are getting confused. This also has distribution issues, but that's a different story.
The AZ plants are in Holland and Germany.
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The EU are whining their factories cannot create the contracted vaccines quick enough? Why should the EU have access to a vaccine not made in the EU ahead of places like Namibia, Mauritania, Azerbaijan and so on? They fucked up and should do what they can to fix their production.
Except that would be unlawful state aid.
So many weaknesses of the EU has been exposed by the pandemic.
Budget rules - suspended
Free movement - the refusal to suspend it has undoubtedly spread the virus
We've just gone above 2m vaccinations per week, which is the Gov target. Still overall below target though.
Apologies. I meant per day. Have amended.
The state aid rules seem utterly bonkers. Is the background to those state aid rules to stop the Italian government support their car manufacturers and let them rot while the German car companies got to ramp up production? Or is that tin hat territory?
Huh , I'm in no way suggesting the government aren't number one in ways we've fucked up regarding covid, hence why I suggested all of those things I wish we'd done , the government failings are monumental and no key minister deserves to retain their role after this shit show z we've failed at every opportunity , culture , sport , education , healthcare , travel and just general policy . Top 50 heads in government need lopping off as far as I'm concerned
By the same token I'm not willing to let the idiocy of Joe public slide either , why should I ? Millions of people have helped spread and perpetuate this virus , I don't particularly care if it was breaking some covid law , more so that theyve absolutely contributed massively toward 100k people dying during this shit show
The tin hat territory is when you realise in combination with competition rules it forces countries to open up public services to private competition - the public services then have to become self funding and not be reliant on government support and private companies are given a leg up to compete with them and eventually replace them.
The World Health Organization is urging its member states to halt coronavirus vaccinations after their health workers and vulnerable groups have been inoculated, to ensure a “fair” vaccine rollout around the world.
WHO spokesperson Margaret Harris said it was “morally” and “economically” the right thing to do.
“We’re asking countries, once you’ve got those groups, please ensure that the supply you’ve got access to is provided for others,” she told BBC Breakfast. “While that is morally clearly the right thing to do, it’s also economically the right thing to do.
“There have been a number of very interesting analyses showing that just vaccinating your own country and then sitting there and saying ‘we’re fine’ will not work economically. That phrase ‘no man is an island’ applies economically as well.”
“We in the world, we’re so connected and unless we get all societies working effectively once again, every society will be financially effected,” she added.
Research suggested earlier this week that the world’s 84 poorest countries will not achieve mass immunisation from coronavirus until at least 2024 and some may never get there, due to a lack of vaccine doses.
WHO spokesperson Margaret Harris said it was “morally” and “economically” the right thing to do.
“We’re asking countries, once you’ve got those groups, please ensure that the supply you’ve got access to is provided for others,” she told BBC Breakfast. “While that is morally clearly the right thing to do, it’s also economically the right thing to do.
“There have been a number of very interesting analyses showing that just vaccinating your own country and then sitting there and saying ‘we’re fine’ will not work economically. That phrase ‘no man is an island’ applies economically as well.”
“We in the world, we’re so connected and unless we get all societies working effectively once again, every society will be financially effected,” she added.
Research suggested earlier this week that the world’s 84 poorest countries will not achieve mass immunisation from coronavirus until at least 2024 and some may never get there, due to a lack of vaccine doses.
That's was the narrative being pumped from Beijing. They could hardly turn around and say 'but we don't believe them' they are meant to be impartial. They didn't have the evidence at that point.
The only ones to blame for that statement are China.
From a purely selfish perspective, why should anyone abroad get it before I do? Dreamy being vaccinated earlier than me won’t be helping me go the pub.
There was a short article in the BMJ about this last year: https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3226
basically, the 350 million is based on pre-orders of loads of vaccines that were still at the research and development stage. Some of them have worked out and are being used. Others have actually failed I believe.
So we had to order a lot to ensure against those vaccines that did not make it, or only made it much later.
There is also (as we have seen in the EU this week, and actually here last autumn) always a very good chance that supply lines will have problems setting up, so having a few different options from a few different companies is a good idea.
I am sure if we had only ordered exactly enough to vaccinate everyone once, and only done it from one company, you would have been among the first to berate the government for failing to prepare properly.
I understand that wealthier countries are involved with schemes to help the poorer countries and I'm certain that would include giving up any surpluses. But I doubt anyone has a surplus now. The UK certainly doesn't, and it might never do.
True, and it's not even just that. They are the World HEALTH Organisation. Why would I take financial advice from them?
Haha. Indeed. Hasn't there been a general opinion from many that we should have been more like New Zealand etc and essentially cut ourselves off to deal with this over the past year? And, if so, isn't giving the vaccinating our own population first the equivalent to that?
Yep the Sanofi/GSK one is back to square one. So you can knock that off the total for now.