Europe did lockdown according to some people in this thread last year.
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Europe did lockdown according to some people in this thread last year.
Some lockdowns are more lockdowny than others. A four week lockdown of all lockdowns at the start might have stopped a lot of this.
Ultimately I imagine the idea is that the spread of the virus doesn't matter if vaccination penetration is high enough that hospitals won't be overwhelmed and those in high risk groups aren't at risk of dying from it.
Feb 15th. That dude on the radio was bang on
This is what happens when you have too many data scientists, they masquerade as experts and start advising the government based on models they probably coded up with head wands. Now that the US has submitted to Fauci's advice, take solace in the inevitable fact that they're all set to be fucked even harder than we are.
Calm down Jimmy White
It's hard to be anything other than ultra pessimistic about this. Coupled with Brexit, the UK is going to be a fucking depressing place to live in the coming years. More so than it already is.
Also, I feel that there's this growing movement to silence anyone who questions anything to do with this and label them as a conspiracy theorist or Covid denier. It obviously exists, it's obviously very serious, and while I don't follow news and media too closely as it's so fucking depressing, it's hard not to get a sense that we're being lied to in some way.
I just don't know whether there's an overall end goal, or whether it's come about through widespread incompetence.
In any case, I'm probably going to be lumped in with dante and rosco now, so...
Also, I feel that there's this growing movement to silence anyone who questions anything to do with this and label them as a conspiracy theorist or Covid denier. It obviously exists, it's obviously very serious, and while I don't follow news and media too closely as it's so fucking depressing, it's hard not to get a sense that we're being lied to in some way.
I just don't know whether there's an overall end goal, or whether it's come about through widespread incompetence.
In any case, I'm probably going to be lumped in with dante and rosco now, so...
It's been a fucking shit show from the off, no wonder people are thinking whatever they want, the 'facts' change daily while tens of thousands of people die and even more businesses go to the wall. It's been a terrible year and I just can't be arsed with anything anymore.
The main lie is that western politicians have any skill that even remotely qualifies them to govern or make decisions. They're thick, utter idiots. It baffles me that they're tolerated. The only thing they know how to do is steal money, and waffle their way through one cluster fuck after the next, which people rationalise as politics and economics is hard, yeah, that's just the way it is. Except it's not hard for Singapore, and for most of the rest of the world. We just pretend it is over here so as to avoid the obvious conclusion that our leaders should be assassinated and replaced by any random guy off the street with the capacity to read and write.
This pandemic isn't some great lie, it's just reality, that you can't waffle your way out of like most other political issues, so you end up having to make up more and more absurd lies to cover up for your utter fucking incompetence. Then people mistake those lies for evidence of a conspiracy.
This pandemic isn't some great lie, it's just reality, that you can't waffle your way out of like most other political issues, so you end up having to make up more and more absurd lies to cover up for your utter fucking incompetence. Then people mistake those lies for evidence of a conspiracy.
The pandemic isn't a lie, we know that, but there has been plenty of room for the manipulation of facts, for political and/or monetary gain. Particularly from this government.
We are well fucked for the next few years. If Brexit wasn't already likely to fuck us over, it definitely is now. With the added bonus of the Government being able to point to the financial impact of Covid, to excuse every crippling policy they now introduce and every tax hike they inevitably bring in.
Imagine if we closed the borders in February 2020 and closed down all hospitality, retail etc from there until June and had implemented home schooling from then until the end of the summer term, we legit could all still be walking about sans facemask enjoying shit, albeit with borders still remaining shut etc but that'd be no price to pay to save however many of the 100k deaths and jobs lost etc.
I seriously hope the cunts that make the decisions and those that advise the cunts from positions of knowledge actually learn from this shit show and when Covid-22 comes knocking, we shut up shop and avoid this same fucking shit show.
By the same token, they need to throw the book at cunts who take the piss during lockdown, anyone pulling a Dominic Cummings or Jewish wedding with 400 guests in school fucked off to prison, to isolate for however many days or months, the population has undermined the recovery away from Covid as much as Bojo and co.
I seriously hope the cunts that make the decisions and those that advise the cunts from positions of knowledge actually learn from this shit show and when Covid-22 comes knocking, we shut up shop and avoid this same fucking shit show.
By the same token, they need to throw the book at cunts who take the piss during lockdown, anyone pulling a Dominic Cummings or Jewish wedding with 400 guests in school fucked off to prison, to isolate for however many days or months, the population has undermined the recovery away from Covid as much as Bojo and co.
The most insulting example of it is "wash your hands". They're still rolling that retarded slogan out now. It's unbelievable. It was established since long before the first lockdown that it is an airborne virus. Washing your hands is laughably thick. I don't understand how these people say it with a straight face. It's downright dangerous in fact to give people such false information that misleads about how not to get infected. But again, the politicians need something to waffle on about, to make it look like they're sending out "messaging" and doing their best as the bodies pile up.
Seemingly Astra Zeneca and the EU signed a contract last August for the manufacture and storage of a set amount of vaccines that would be delivered once the EMA authorised its use with agreed subsequent monthly deliveries. This was paid for in advance so the authorisation date of the vaccine should have no impact on the manufacturing process or the finance.
So currently the situation seems to be one of two things. Astra Zeneca didn't fulfil the manufacturing process as contractually agreed so the EU want to know what they did with their money. Or, the vaccines were made but were diverted elsewhere.
Judging by the tone of what the EU health commissioner said, it seems the EU believe it was the latter.
Who knows what really is the truth.
They are all politicians and are as trustworthy as a dog with diarrhoea on a croquet lawn.
As you say, we won't know exactly what the truth is. It obviously suits AZ not be seen as being in the wrong and it DEFINITELY suits the EU not to be seen as being in the wrong. My point about the lack of approval was more that while people are talking about this, they are not talking about the slow progress of the EU to actually vaccinate people with the vaccines that they DO have.
In terms of the supplies and agreements though, if the EU agreed a contract with AZ in August, then even that is months after AZ agreed a contract with the UK (for example), so they appear to have been slow even in that sense. There was talk about supply problems etc with AZ and the UK as well, but presumably they were sorted earlier as the contract was agreed earlier.
As it happens, I am absolutely certain that the EU will eventually roll out a strong vaccine programme but you do have to wonder if those who suggest that they do things in an overly bureaucratic way have a point here.
AZ are using a Belgian (Dutch?) manufacturer for the EU but they have had some production line issues. Meaning AZ had to declare a scale back of supply to the EU. Hardly AZ reneging on their contract. The EU are just being cunts.
Not sure who signed with whom first, on a quick look online, looks like EU signed in June and UK later in July.
Regardless, If AZ signed up for 3bn and said were gonna supply in 80m by Q1 and only supply 30m then it’s a big drop and depends on how contract is worded sounds a breach.
However, I believe EU has so far only approved Moderna so sounds like they are being a bit cuntish still.
I was under the impression that 100m was to be produced in Wrexham anyway so again not sure about specifics about what they could block.
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They may have a point in other situations but a production issue for AZ can hardly be attributed EU bureaucracy
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No one other than you linked the two things together.
The supply problems from AZ were obviously not the fault of the EU or EU bureaucracy, but the fact that they didn’t agree a contract to buy the vaccine until months after the U.K. possibly could be the fault of EU bureaucracy.
And the fact that even if they were supplied with billions of AZ vaccines tomorrow, they haven’t even got round to approving the damn thing yet possibly could be the fault of EU bureaucracy.
It was literally the last sentence of your post where people were discussing shortage of AZ vaccine for the EU
Yes. And I was referring to the fact that they have been slow at ordering and slow at approving. As I explained in my response to you before.
So they should!
The U.K. signed a deal first with AstraZeneca which specified that vaccines produced in the U.K. should be supplied here first. The ones intended for the EU are being made in the EU.
Not going to lie, these last few weeks have got to me. Feel guilty because I know I'm lucky to still able to be going to work hence kept busy and not financially worse off etc - I appreciate that's not the case for alot of people. Can't help but feel mentally drained with it all though and the bad news seems relentless. Think I need to start walking/jogging more or something. Any other suggestions welcome. Apologies for rambling on, realise some people may have lost loved ones through this so my issues pale into insignificance. Just had to vent a little.
Yeah those made in the UK I believe are for the UK and maybe Europe once the UK order has been fulfilled. I would be very surprised if there was any specific wording, e.g. Q1, since no-one knew when the vaccine would be developed, fully tested and approved and ready for mass production, it could just have easily been next Autumn for example.
Guardian :
AstraZeneca warned the European commission on Friday that there would be a significant shortfall in the promised 100m vaccine doses this quarter, of up to 60%. It says this is due to a technical issue: not enough vaccine is being produced by the main plant making the supplies destined for Europe, which is in Belgium.
Making vaccines is not like building houses, where you can add a few more bricks to a wall if it’s too short, they say. This is a biological process and it’s not possible to be certain how much vaccine is going to be made once production is under way. The yield varies.
In this case, there appears to have been a low yield from the cells dividing in the bioreactors in the Belgium plant. The same could happen in any of the other factories around the world making the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine, including the UK.
AstraZeneca’s chief executive, Pascal Soriot, spoke to EU president Ursula von der Leyen about this, telling her they would have to cut their supply of vaccines to Europe.
That went down badly in Europe, where there are already tensions over the low numbers immunised with the two jabs licensed so far – from Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna. The UK is thought to have immunised 10% of its residents, and the EU just 2%. The EU’s health commissioner, Stella Kyriakides, said AstraZeneca must live up to its contractual obligations.
Will AstraZeneca dispatch extra doses to Europe from its vaccine production sites in the UK?
This looks unlikely or very difficult. AstraZeneca has committed to delivering 2m doses a week to the UK as part of its order for 100m doses in total. That is pushing capacity fairly hard and depends on no unforeseen issues arising, such as poor yield as in Belgium or other issues such as batch quality.
What can the European commission do?
There are tacit threats of vaccine wars. The commission could take measures to block the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine – which is made in Europe – from being dispatched to the UK. Kyriakides said Brussels would now insist on being notified of any exports of vaccines from EU sites.
Yep they have been slow but that has nothing to do with Astra Zeneca's sudden massive drop in planned production.
See above. It's not just AZ that has this slow down in production.
French politicians have reacted with dismay to news that the prestigious Pasteur Institute is abandoning its main coronavirus vaccine after disappointing test results.
Researchers at the institute said clinical trials on its vaccine had shown it was less successful in combating the virus than hoped. It had been trying to adapt an existing vaccine used against measles, in partnership with the US company Merck.
The announcement came as a further blow to the French government, which is facing criticism over the slow rollout of its vaccine programme, and the news that laboratories producing authorised vaccines, including Pfizer, are struggling to keep up with demand.
France’s other pharmaceutical giant, Sanofi, has said its vaccine will not be ready until the end of this year, again because of disappointing initial results.
On Tuesday, Sanofi announced it would produce 100m doses of the Covid-19 vaccine developed by its competition Pfizer/BioNTech by the end of this year.
Researchers at the institute said clinical trials on its vaccine had shown it was less successful in combating the virus than hoped. It had been trying to adapt an existing vaccine used against measles, in partnership with the US company Merck.
The announcement came as a further blow to the French government, which is facing criticism over the slow rollout of its vaccine programme, and the news that laboratories producing authorised vaccines, including Pfizer, are struggling to keep up with demand.
France’s other pharmaceutical giant, Sanofi, has said its vaccine will not be ready until the end of this year, again because of disappointing initial results.
On Tuesday, Sanofi announced it would produce 100m doses of the Covid-19 vaccine developed by its competition Pfizer/BioNTech by the end of this year.
