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Chinese "Devil Virus" - anyone worried?

NHS staff social carers teachers
Supermarket staff should also be amongst that list.

As far as I am aware, NHS and social care staff are already being vaccinated as part of the first priority list (group 2?).

It's the other front line key workers who would come under the next stage (after mid-Feb) but haven't been specifically prioritised as yet. I believe the government specifically said today that this would likely include teachers, police officers and shop workers.

Logistically it sounds to me like that is little more difficult to do though, so that presents another potential issue to look out for.
 
Seems to be posters think the vaccine roll out is going well. Personally I suspect they are going to hand the roll out to private companies. It's the Tory way. We all know how the PPE contracts were handed out. Will the vaccine roll out be any different.
 
At the moment it seems to be going well and seems to be a decent pace.
My parents both went yesterday to get their vaccines.
They were in and out pretty quickly and I've heard others locally who have said it's been really positive also.

If the govt end up giving it to private companies then that can be scrutinised when/if it happens.
 
I've been following this view recently



In short it is changing the interpretation of '1500 daily deaths' from being 'there were 1500 deaths yesterday' (which is how it comes across) to 'here is the date of death for the 1500 new deaths attributed to covid in the last 28 days'

It looks like it has now plateaued (looking around 11th - 14th) which is positive. Maybe I live in false hope but I really believe we are on the way out of this shit show now.

The vaccine programme is running well and will only get better as more centres open. I think tricks are being missed where we could be utilising industries that are challenged at the moment e.g. private hire cabs/taxis. One limiting factor in many risk groups getting the jab is ability to get there - why don't we use some of the bottomless pit of covid money to keep these taxi drivers afloat whilst transporting people in need to and from their vaccines.
 
I've been following this view recently



In short it is changing the interpretation of '1500 daily deaths' from being 'there were 1500 deaths yesterday' (which is how it comes across) to 'here is the date of death for the 1500 new deaths attributed to covid in the last 28 days'

It looks like it has now plateaued (looking around 11th - 14th) which is positive. Maybe I live in false hope but I really believe we are on the way out of this shit show now.

The vaccine programme is running well and will only get better as more centres open. I think tricks are being missed where we could be utilising industries that are challenged at the moment e.g. private hire cabs/taxis. One limiting factor in many risk groups getting the jab is ability to get there - why don't we use some of the bottomless pit of covid money to keep these taxi drivers afloat whilst transporting people in need to and from their vaccines.


I think Uber have already offered free rides to vaccination centers.
 
I've been following this view recently



In short it is changing the interpretation of '1500 daily deaths' from being 'there were 1500 deaths yesterday' (which is how it comes across) to 'here is the date of death for the 1500 new deaths attributed to covid in the last 28 days'

It looks like it has now plateaued (looking around 11th - 14th) which is positive. Maybe I live in false hope but I really believe we are on the way out of this shit show now.

The vaccine programme is running well and will only get better as more centres open. I think tricks are being missed where we could be utilising industries that are challenged at the moment e.g. private hire cabs/taxis. One limiting factor in many risk groups getting the jab is ability to get there - why don't we use some of the bottomless pit of covid money to keep these taxi drivers afloat whilst transporting people in need to and from their vaccines.


Excuse my ignorance, if this is the case, and it's not actually 1500 deaths in a single day, why are they putting out this figure in this manner? The vast majority will just see this number and assume it's deaths on that day without looking too much into it. Surely they'd want to show signs of recovery and signs that things are getting back on track.

Unless they want to stoke fear and hysteria for some reason...
 
Excuse my ignorance, if this is the case, and it's not actually 1500 deaths in a single day, why are they putting out this figure in this manner? The vast majority will just see this number and assume it's deaths on that day without looking too much into it. Surely they'd want to show signs of recovery and signs that things are getting back on track.

Unless they want to stoke fear and hysteria for some reason...
Because all numbers are managed by the govt.. 2k that day? Too high.. hold some back for the weekend reporting..

Rinse and repeat.
 
Also because they want to make it sound like they're using up to the minute data to justify their stupid decision making, when in reality by the time they state the number it's actually a month old, because that's how long it takes for a civil servant to count something and then enter it into excel, attach it an email and send it to the millionaires at serco.
 
Excuse my ignorance, if this is the case, and it's not actually 1500 deaths in a single day, why are they putting out this figure in this manner? The vast majority will just see this number and assume it's deaths on that day without looking too much into it. Surely they'd want to show signs of recovery and signs that things are getting back on track.

Unless they want to stoke fear and hysteria for some reason...

I guess there is no easy way for them to say '1500 new deaths - but spread across 12+ days, with different amounts on each.. on top of those spread across each day from yesterday' etc.

I'm surprised they don't seem to have explained this though.
 
I guess there is no easy way for them to say '1500 new deaths - but spread across 12+ days, with different amounts on each.. on top of those spread across each day from yesterday' etc.

I'm surprised they don't seem to have explained this though.

But by that logic then the next day it where for e.g. the number could be 1000 so that could also include previous 12 days so each day if actually split out properly could on average over 1000. Guess that’s why using weekly rolling average makes more sense.
However, I don’t pay much attention to the daily numbers because it’s obvious the whole thing is not that real time, dynamic or particularly sophisticated data collection/reporting wise despite how clever they might have initially sold it as.
 
But by that logic then the next day it where for e.g. the number could be 1000 so that could also include previous 12 days so each day if actually split out properly could on average over 1000. Guess that’s why using weekly rolling average makes more sense.
However, I don’t pay much attention to the daily numbers because it’s obvious the whole thing is not that real time, dynamic or particularly sophisticated data collection/reporting wise despite how clever they might have initially sold it as.

Agreed - 'today''s number will go up say 20% tomorrow, 15% the day after, 10% the day after etc. But looking at the bars that are now only having a tiny addition each day, the pattern looks to have plateau'd (which was my only real comment)
 
See the Israelis are saying that one dose of the Pfizer vaccine gives about 33% immunity, not the 52% claimed in the literature. Looking forward to all the new variants we make while we're waiting twelve weeks for the second dose
 
If the death rate falls by 100 people a day, it'll be another 12,000 deaths or so before it hits zero.

That's a bit mad.
 
I've never understood the figures being based upon having tested positive for covid within 28 days of death
 
Well it used to be anyone who tested positive anytime so that got conspiracy theorists saying you could get hit by a car and it'd be put down as a covid death but there was the other side of the debate saying that covid so weakened vulnerable people that they might die a few months later so 28 days was chosen as a not so happy medium that now noone is happy and I'm having to type this
 
See the Israelis are saying that one dose of the Pfizer vaccine gives about 33% immunity, not the 52% claimed in the literature. Looking forward to all the new variants we make while we're waiting twelve weeks for the second dose

I did tell you a week ago that you were all going to die. You won't listen to me, but you'll listen to Mossad. I see how it is. What will happen is we'll get this bullshit ineffective vaccine dose, the infections will drop naturally in the coming months due to the lockdown and summer. Everyone will mistake that for the vaccine having been a great success. However, winter is coming, and lockdown permitting, I don't plan to be around these here parts when it comes.
 
Well it used to be anyone who tested positive anytime so that got conspiracy theorists saying you could get hit by a car and it'd be put down as a covid death but there was the other side of the debate saying that covid so weakened vulnerable people that they might die a few months later so 28 days was chosen as a not so happy medium that now noone is happy and I'm having to type this
Cause of death being respiratory failure related would surely be a happy medium ? Was said dead person on a respirator within x days of death etc although I suppose you could just track covid deaths within 28 days of testing positive against the year on year death figures for anyone one period and end up with an accurate enough figure, even nationally?
 
Agreed - 'today''s number will go up say 20% tomorrow, 15% the day after, 10% the day after etc. But looking at the bars that are now only having a tiny addition each day, the pattern looks to have plateau'd (which was my only real comment)

Yeah, hopefully stays that way.
Just hope they don’t find another 20000 numbers not on the figure tomorrow because Excel import process failed yesterday.
 
It looks like the current set of vaccines protect against the Kent variant but not the SA one or it’s barely resistant unless updated.
 
https://www.ft.com/content/4d9fe80d-e604-4bbe-b0f8-fd4b8df9b7f1

a single shot of the biontech/pfizer vaccine produces a robust antibody response within weeks, according to israeli data that could help inform whether scarce global supplies can be stretched by delaying second dose

at the rambam health care campus in northern israel, 91 per cent of the 1,800 doctors and nurses that received the two dose vaccine showed a major presence of antibodies 21 days after their first shots.shot
 
If you inject your body with foreign genetic material, and your body produces no antibodies, it would mean you are deceased or have the bad aids. The US approved giving a small first dose, and a full second dose within two or three weeks, that's what was shown to work, and the FDA don't tolerate any deviation from that dosing method. The ethidence that it actually does work hangs by a thread because these scientists are fucking stupid.

Thinking you can just choose a different method, like only the small dose, or a full dose up front, or waiting too long between doses, is beyond fucking stupid. It takes that tiny thread of hope you have that it works, and cuts it. Now all you have are prayers that it works.
 
Boris Johnson's old man: the cunt gets two correctly administered doses of the pfizer vaccine

Americans who will sue the shit out of you if they so much as blink funny after the jab: get two correctly administered doses of the pfizer vaccine

The UK public: get an incorrectly administered (as well as badly manufactured) dose of the pfizer vaccine, or the oxford vaccine that they never bothered to test on old people. Seems legit.
 
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