Chinese "Devil Virus" - anyone worried?
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The underlying data science type maths is very similar in clinical research and investment research. When people are trying to grow their wealth and money is on the line if you fuck up, they hire maths and physics phd's and pay them millions, because they need the full extent of their brains working on the models to make them fit for purpose, because of how prone to error they are. When your health is on the line, but not the pharma company's profits per se, they are doing the same science, but suddenly they don't need any phd's. Nah, it's fine, the pharmacologist has got this, he's a doctor, trust him.
People were wondering how much of a risk UK took giving the vaccine the go ahead quite quickly.
But it's given the govt a headstart compared to other nations.
So far over 3m vaccinated, while looks like there's some struggles in America, Canada and EU.
Only one I can think of is Israel which has jabbed lots of people already and quickly so seem to be leading the pack in terms of percentage of population.
This is mainly the Pfizer vaccine, not sure how the Chinese vaccine is getting on and how effective it is.
But it's given the govt a headstart compared to other nations.
So far over 3m vaccinated, while looks like there's some struggles in America, Canada and EU.
Only one I can think of is Israel which has jabbed lots of people already and quickly so seem to be leading the pack in terms of percentage of population.
This is mainly the Pfizer vaccine, not sure how the Chinese vaccine is getting on and how effective it is.
Chinese vaccine seems on the headline stats to be as effective as the Oxford one.
There is some confusion on what the number should be, however surely the headline stat should be that 0% of people who received the vaccine either died from adverse reaction, or via COVID itself.
Indeed I think the percentage who even required hospitalization was extremely low.
However, it does appear to only work 50% of the time against preventing you from getting a mild version of COVID which obviously means you are infectious etc etc.
May as well see which one has the best one, least adverse effects etc before committing.
Prices should be lower too by then.
There are two Chinese vaccines. However they are not as efficient as any of the other main options. Brazil said as low as 50.4%. A couple of other countries where is in use 60%+ and 74%.
There have been 50m vaccinations here however it's optional (but free) at this stage and I don't think available everywhere yet.
For more than a year, the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) has systematically prevented a transparent and thorough investigation of the COVID-19 pandemic’s origin, choosing instead to devote enormous resources to deceit and disinformation. Nearly two million people have died. Their families deserve to know the truth. Only through transparency can we learn what caused this pandemic and how to prevent the next one.
The U.S. government does not know exactly where, when, or how the COVID-19 virus—known as SARS-CoV-2—was transmitted initially to humans. We have not determined whether the outbreak began through contact with infected animals or was the result of an accident at a laboratory in Wuhan, China.
The virus could have emerged naturally from human contact with infected animals, spreading in a pattern consistent with a natural epidemic. Alternatively, a laboratory accident could resemble a natural outbreak if the initial exposure included only a few individuals and was compounded by asymptomatic infection. Scientists in China have researched animal-derived coronaviruses under conditions that increased the risk for accidental and potentially unwitting exposure.
The CCP’s deadly obsession with secrecy and control comes at the expense of public health in China and around the world. The previously undisclosed information in this fact sheet, combined with open-source reporting, highlights three elements about COVID-19’s origin that deserve greater scrutiny:
1. Illnesses inside the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV):
As the world continues to battle this pandemic – and as WHO investigators begin their work, after more than a year of delays – the virus’s origin remains uncertain. The United States will continue to do everything it can to support a credible and thorough investigation, including by continuing to demand transparency on the part of Chinese authorities.
The U.S. government does not know exactly where, when, or how the COVID-19 virus—known as SARS-CoV-2—was transmitted initially to humans. We have not determined whether the outbreak began through contact with infected animals or was the result of an accident at a laboratory in Wuhan, China.
The virus could have emerged naturally from human contact with infected animals, spreading in a pattern consistent with a natural epidemic. Alternatively, a laboratory accident could resemble a natural outbreak if the initial exposure included only a few individuals and was compounded by asymptomatic infection. Scientists in China have researched animal-derived coronaviruses under conditions that increased the risk for accidental and potentially unwitting exposure.
The CCP’s deadly obsession with secrecy and control comes at the expense of public health in China and around the world. The previously undisclosed information in this fact sheet, combined with open-source reporting, highlights three elements about COVID-19’s origin that deserve greater scrutiny:
1. Illnesses inside the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV):
- The U.S. government has reason to believe that several researchers inside the WIV became sick in autumn 2019, before the first identified case of the outbreak, with symptoms consistent with both COVID-19 and common seasonal illnesses. This raises questions about the credibility of WIV senior researcher Shi Zhengli’s public claim that there was “zero infection” among the WIV’s staff and students of SARS-CoV-2 or SARS-related viruses.
- Accidental infections in labs have caused several previous virus outbreaks in China and elsewhere, including a 2004 SARS outbreak in Beijing that infected nine people, killing one.
- The CCP has prevented independent journalists, investigators, and global health authorities from interviewing researchers at the WIV, including those who were ill in the fall of 2019. Any credible inquiry into the origin of the virus must include interviews with these researchers and a full accounting of their previously unreported illness.
- Starting in at least 2016 – and with no indication of a stop prior to the COVID-19 outbreak – WIV researchers conducted experiments involving RaTG13, the bat coronavirus identified by the WIV in January 2020 as its closest sample to SARS-CoV-2 (96.2% similar). The WIV became a focal point for international coronavirus research after the 2003 SARS outbreak and has since studied animals including mice, bats, and pangolins.
- The WIV has a published record of conducting “gain-of-function” research to engineer chimeric viruses. But the WIV has not been transparent or consistent about its record of studying viruses most similar to the COVID-19 virus, including “RaTG13,” which it sampled from a cave in Yunnan Province in 2013 after several miners died of SARS-like illness.
- WHO investigators must have access to the records of the WIV’s work on bat and other coronaviruses before the COVID-19 outbreak. As part of a thorough inquiry, they must have a full accounting of why the WIV altered and then removed online records of its work with RaTG13 and other viruses.
- Secrecy and non-disclosure are standard practice for Beijing. For many years the United States has publicly raised concerns about China’s past biological weapons work, which Beijing has neither documented nor demonstrably eliminated, despite its clear obligations under the Biological Weapons Convention.
- Despite the WIV presenting itself as a civilian institution, the United States has determined that the WIV has collaborated on publications and secret projects with China’s military. The WIV has engaged in classified research, including laboratory animal experiments, on behalf of the Chinese military since at least 2017.
- The United States and other donors who funded or collaborated on civilian research at the WIV have a right and obligation to determine whether any of our research funding was diverted to secret Chinese military projects at the WIV.
As the world continues to battle this pandemic – and as WHO investigators begin their work, after more than a year of delays – the virus’s origin remains uncertain. The United States will continue to do everything it can to support a credible and thorough investigation, including by continuing to demand transparency on the part of Chinese authorities.
It's a new way of producing a vaccine.
TBH, despite my cynical nature I'd be surprised if the inconsistent mrna percentage wasn't a factor & didn't drive the need for the two dose strategy.
The vaccine made from inactive virus (traditional model), is a different matter, it's hard to see why they'd need a two dose strategy for that.
It's remarkable what happens when you hand a massive & critical logistical operation to the military & the NHS instead of private companies that want to make a profit.UK over 5% vaccinated so far.
I think we need to get to 30% for the top 4 priority list to be vaccinated.
60% for all the priority list to be vaccinated.
Whoduthinkit?
This is the first time we've seen any efficiency whatsoever, & it's no surprise its cos the government gave the running almost entirely to the logistical corps, with NHS input.
The two dose method was tested during the clinical trials, nothing to do with the mRNA. This is a scale up issue. For the clinical trials you synthesise the vaccine in a laboratory, 70% of the genetic material survives in tact. When you attempt the same thing in a full scale manufacturing facility, all of the physics completely changes and the genetic material gets torn to shreds. Like imagine cooking some pasta for yourself on the stove. It'd taste great as long as you're not a moron. But if you cooked the pasta in a giant vat for 1,000,000 people, it will not taste the same, because the physics in your pot are different to the physics in the vat. They just don't understand physics, and they never bothered to come see a consultant at a university who shall remain nameless to ask for help.
Well, the problem Australia has is that in order to roll out a vaccine they would need to let at least someone go outside to either get it or give it! From what you have said before, it seems that they rarely seem especially keen to do that.
Rightly or wrongly, I rather suspect that many people in the World may not be especially keen on the idea of a Chinese Covid vaccine!
Pakistan are quite keen. They can't afford the American one, they don't want to suck up their pride and ask for the Indian one, so that just leaves China. I'm sure it'll be fine.
I will when sufficient numbers of congressmen and staffers have paid the price. I can't put a specific number on that, maybe something in the low triple figures ought to do it, before I look back and feel guilty enough to end my support of their cause.
I didn't even realise India had it's own vaccine!
Capitalism wasn't about to overlook 1.3 billion customers. I think their vaccine is probably more reliable than our one, they wouldn't have needed to think twice about testing it on the vulnerable or elderly.
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Actually they are providing the vaccine free of charge to many 3 world countries (Inc. Brazil) that are likely deemed 'politically inconsequential'. A PR coup after the West were slow to order support.
China is not going to look a gift horse in the mouth!
Pakistan is unf indebted to both China and Saudi for the money they've pumped into the country.
Pakistan being a strategic location for the Chinese infrastructure programme.
This prob just helps make them further indebted before making the whole country one large re-education camp
It’s not that surprising with big Pharmas in India.
They actually have two I believe and started the largest vaccine rollout in the world this week.
Plenty of countries are looking at the Chinese vaccine including a few in the South East Asia such as Malaysia.
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oh, I wasn’t surprised, I just wasn’t aware! I understood that the Oxford vaccine is actually being produced in India (isn’t it?) so assumed that this was the one that would be most widely used there.
It presumably will use Oxford one too, no point relying on a single vaccine if you don’t have to.
Believe it’s stock pilling Oxford too
and that makes sense.
I’m not sure about the background on the Indian developed ones but think the efficacy numbers it’s more in line oxford one rather pfizer one.
Plenty of sceptism about vaccines in general though like over here, so interesting to see the numbers that actually sign up though.
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Yep.. but everyone foresaw this coming. America weren't about to give freebies. Especially with Trump in charge. So China rides in on its white horse to save millions (with no evidence to suggest they were to blame).
Free to citizens.. back handers a plenty for the top brass.
That's what they (CCP) keep saying.
Nah... we’re al into going out for now - still with our little masks on.