I think you need to do more research to counteract your racist bias. Or are you after Brenda's mantel?
Chinese "Devil Virus" - anyone worried?
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Also in France? I read another 60m doses due for delivery from France.
You know I thought that might be a little crappy to send, and considered not sending it.
Thing is though, it is kinda galling when you post in the thread how great China have been. How quickly they've locked down, how quickly they've managed to test
How they've managed a PR coup by giving the vaccine out to various countries.
Is this now disputed that it initially started in China? Is that not a thing anymore?
It certainly was discussed a huge amount early on that it was some issue with A bat or something.
I thought when you said this (but I bit my tongue) was far worse considering how the vast majority of innocent people of that city has suffered more than any other :
I hardly think that the outbreak starting in China (not necessarily Wuhan which is still unproven - they believe it was brought into Wuhan from a small village) is disputed. Also that the first cluster appeared in Wuhan but the source of point of crossover has STILL not been proven despite the virus being found in bats, pangolin & other animals. We could compare that to the virus being found in Mink in Denmark (and I believe Canada)?
What has been shown is the virus was in a number of other places e.g. Italian sewers going back a year before that. The thinking is that the virus has been around a while but unable to make the jump to humans until the perfect conditions (or mutation) appeared or evolved. This makes sense since that is the case with all viruses.
It may be that those perfect conditions were in China. However to blame an entire country, any country, for virtually any viral outbreak, is just looking for someone to blame for a natural phenomena. It's illogical.
As for acting with alacrity I've posted a full timeline much earlier in the thread. At best you can say there was a week's delay (though the USA had this information in a brief to Trump even earlier than that) due to uncertainty, bureaucracy and fear but it's hardly like it affected the response of other countries - which even when they were aware was more like a 'we'll keep an eye on this rather than take any action yet'.
The problem you have though, is that China would get a lot more sympathy if they allowed a thorough independent review in and around Wuhan to proove/disprove various theories.
The fact that China refuse this will always lead to people pointing fingers towards them. So forgive us if we don't believe China is that great.
I don't get the 'China is great' thing. As with any country they handle some things very well and some things terribly. Each action is independent and doesn't require there to be a consensus on a country as a whole. It's not a Eurovision song contest adding up points.
As for your first comment - since when has ANY communist or even fascist / right wing dictatorship country permitted that 😀
They are not looking for sympathy from the West because they'd never get it irrespective. They are competitors. No such thing as an independent review, the WHO, who are here now, are about the closest you'll come.
Are the WHO there? Last I read from a WHO statement was that they'd been refused access to in and around Wuhan.
My point is. All this 'China has done this right' and 'China celebrates new year for 2 days' is galling for some. As some believe they may have had a head start or are only doing things that benefit China in the long run... etc etc. when in fact it could have been China who unleashed this virus on the world.
My point is. All this 'China has done this right' and 'China celebrates new year for 2 days' is galling for some. As some believe they may have had a head start or are only doing things that benefit China in the long run... etc etc. when in fact it could have been China who unleashed this virus on the world.
If you look at the memo on how the intelligence agencies portrayed election interference...
https://context-cdn.washingtonpost..../733364cf-0afb-412d-a5b4-ab797a8ba154.#page=1
...you can confidently predict that the pandemic will eventually be blamed on Russia, and have nothing at all to do with China.
Yes WHO are here. They were held up. As for your second paragraph I guess you haven't bothered to read the last few pages regarding viruses and outbreaks. As if any country can control them.
If you are looking to blame someone how about the governments of countries that failed to implement measures to reduce / control the spread?
Head start? WTF haha.
I can admit the UK fucked up its response, when we were better placed than most to get it right.
Your inability to apportion any blame to China is astounding.
I thought the one from the French company is yet another different one?
There is a very strong chance that I misread it but I took it that a French company had developed a vaccine and had done a deal with the UK before actually doing a deal with the French government and EU Commission. Given how poor some EU countries seem to be doing so far with vaccines, I can certainly believe it!
Again your lack of knowledge of the timeline is what I find astounding. Please go and check it - I've posted it a couple of times in this thread. You are more than ready to assign blame without it seems being able to refer to actual facts. It's almost Trumpian.
Now if you want to blame individuals for a slow response then that I can understand even if you lack any knowledge of how China's bureaucracy and heirachy works.
However the only way that someone tends to lay serious blame upon any country (and you'll notice it never has been before) for a natural phenomena is when they lash out because they feel the need to blame someone / anyone.
Ah I may indeed have misread it then.
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Froggy, what's going on with the Uighurs?
Froggy, what's going on with the Uighurs?
I've been walkin' these streets so long
Singin' the same old song
I know every crack in these dirty sidewalks of Broadway
Where hustle's the name of the game
And nice guys get washed away like the snow in the rain
There's been a load of compromising
On the road to my horizon
But I'm gonna be where the lights are shinin' on me
Like a uighar muslim
Riding out on a horse in a star-spangled rodeo
Like a uighar muslim
Getting cards and letters from people I don't even know
And offers comin' over the phone
Well, I really don't mind the rain
And the smile can hide all the pain
But you're down when you're ridin' the train that's takin' the long way
And I dream of the things I'll do
With a subway token and a dollar tucked inside my shoe
There'll be a load of compromisin'
On the road to my horizon
But I'm gonna be where the lights are shinin' on me
Like a uighar muslim
Riding out on a horse in a star-spangled rodeo
uighar muslim
Gettin' cards and letters from people I don't even know
And offers comin' over the phone
Like a uighar muslim
Riding out on a horse in a star-spangled rodeo
Like a uighar muslim
Gettin' cards and letters from people I don't even know
Like a uighar muslim
Singin' the same old song
I know every crack in these dirty sidewalks of Broadway
Where hustle's the name of the game
And nice guys get washed away like the snow in the rain
There's been a load of compromising
On the road to my horizon
But I'm gonna be where the lights are shinin' on me
Like a uighar muslim
Riding out on a horse in a star-spangled rodeo
Like a uighar muslim
Getting cards and letters from people I don't even know
And offers comin' over the phone
Well, I really don't mind the rain
And the smile can hide all the pain
But you're down when you're ridin' the train that's takin' the long way
And I dream of the things I'll do
With a subway token and a dollar tucked inside my shoe
There'll be a load of compromisin'
On the road to my horizon
But I'm gonna be where the lights are shinin' on me
Like a uighar muslim
Riding out on a horse in a star-spangled rodeo
uighar muslim
Gettin' cards and letters from people I don't even know
And offers comin' over the phone
Like a uighar muslim
Riding out on a horse in a star-spangled rodeo
Like a uighar muslim
Gettin' cards and letters from people I don't even know
Like a uighar muslim
And that comes under the other side of the coin I listed above - under 'horrible'. What did you think about the US invading Iraq?
It was a war crime, the president should have been executed for it. So, out of curiosity, what do you think should happen to his imperial majesty?
dantes moves all in with every social credit he has ever amassed
frogfish can't call
frogfish folds
dantes wins
I just don't recall you ever mentioning it and you're notably absent from the thread. Plus, I wanted to shit stir, but was also a tad curious if you were capable of criticising China.
I'm English, but yeah, I think most of the US and the UKs foreign policy is reprehensible. In fact, most of what the UK government do is despicable. I hardly ever stick up for them.
I think pretty much all governments are likely to be full of cunts. I'm not bigoted when it comes to my misanthropy.
Timeline published by whom? Seems like you have Rafa facts.
Cos I wanted to shit stir @Halmeister
Made me lol
Made me lol
Their are no longer any Imperial Majesties.
Frogfish scoops up Dantes' money and bolts for the door. Too easy.
Unbelievable.
The UK response to the vaccine roll our actually seems pretty decent.
There's a solid amount of effort going in and progress made.
And then you're reminded it's the army/NHS that's driving this.. alongside some pharmacies.
The Israeli effort is also solid and I imagine largely done by the army also?
Heard this AM there's discrepancy about what Israel paid, possibly 40-100% more than what UK paid apparently.
There's a solid amount of effort going in and progress made.
And then you're reminded it's the army/NHS that's driving this.. alongside some pharmacies.
The Israeli effort is also solid and I imagine largely done by the army also?
Heard this AM there's discrepancy about what Israel paid, possibly 40-100% more than what UK paid apparently.
Feeling is mutual. But let's move on, world would be a boring place if we all agreed.
So far so good. In fairness, the government did well in getting the orders of vaccines in and setting up the infrastructure. I suspect it was probably a case of 'we need to get this/something right!!'.
A couple of issues to look out for though.
One is supply. The more vaccines the UK gives, the more it will need to keep getting in. And also when the other countries get going they will need supplies too. Things are gonna be squeezed.
Secondly, the second dose. Linked to the first issue. The UK are giving a lot of first doses. When all these people need a second dose there is likely to be a drop in first doses being given. That's actually fine, but the worst case scenario of course is that supply problems also arise at this point.
Thirdly, the UK hasn't sorted out a priority list for the next stage. Expect a lot of political arguments at this stage which could slow things down. People are hardly gonna argue much over the top priority groups but it's a different matter when it comes to younger and broadly healthier people.
I thought they got around the last issue by age order I.e next group will be over 45s and so on. Until you get the last group of over 18s.
That is the general plan, yes, but every time someone talks about specific groups that should be vaccinated next (teachers get raised a lot, and some Labour MP suggested prisoners this week, which as you can imagine didn’t get a huge amount of support) the response is normally ‘there needs to be a conversation about the next priority groups’.
If they leave it as age order then great, but I suspect that there will be a lot of shouting and petitioning to alter things as the months go on.
This is something I could actually petition for...