Chinese "Devil Virus" - anyone worried?
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That's his opinion. Others will have a different opinion. They can debate it. Someone will win the debate. Someone will lose. Nobody, absolutely nobody, will know the actual answer, because they never even tried to find it, or even failing that they never thought to ask dantes. So they can all go fuck themselves whilst they're blaming each other as the reason they're tucking into rat burgers.
Plenty of people will get it they just won't laugh.
That's one of the reasons you probably shouldn't trust Pfizer.
They developed Viagra for heart issues.
Yeah, and the old boys in the trial noticed that they were hitting boners for the first time in years. It's still used for heart issues, as far as I know, the hard ons were a happy side effect.
Lucky for them. Luck tends to even itself out over time.
If you're 73 and haven't had a ride in years you'll probably gladly take an early death if you knew you could get your hole a few times before kicking the bucket.
Christmas is cancelled.
I don't understand the wingnuts trying to leave London last night. Yes, the government has made a mess of the whole thing so they need to take some of the blame, but do people not realise by now not to travel around the place spreading the fucking thing all over the shop? Just have one quiet Christmas and when the vaccine's been dished out then go and celebrate it, or wait until next year and do it properly.
Oh yeah defo, and I can't think of anything worse than being stuck in a packed train or shopping centre right now... But what did they expect? They just brought the ban hammer in on 25 million people and gave them 8 hours to sort out their options. If only five percent did something about it that's a million people you've just thrown together because you couldn't sort a piss up in a brewery.
The Greeks have sort of done the right thing. Schools closed ages ago, and pretty much all travel has been cancelled. They "cancelled Christmas" weeks ago so everyone pretty much knew what would happen. There has been a bit of a mess with regards to what shops are allowed to open and stuff, there has been a lack of communication there.
This second wave has been a LOT worse than the first one mind you. Until the summer we had fewer than 200 deaths and now we're well past 1000.
This second wave has been a LOT worse than the first one mind you. Until the summer we had fewer than 200 deaths and now we're well past 1000.
Sydney is now fucked for Christmas because of 60 cases.
Meanwhile in Melbourne- we’re still wearing masks in shops and outside, no locally acquired cases for nearly 2 months....
... and I have 2 days of work left before I have some time off - hurrah!!!
Meanwhile in Melbourne- we’re still wearing masks in shops and outside, no locally acquired cases for nearly 2 months....
... and I have 2 days of work left before I have some time off - hurrah!!!
It was fucking nuts. One couple wanted their child to spend Xmas with his grandparents another woman was saying I know I shouldn't but I can't leave my Mum alone at Xmas - no just give her a shot at the lottery of a horrible death instead.Totally selfish twats.
We spent 9 months in Europe but couldn't / wouldn't go to visit my very elderly parents because they are doing a great job of shielding themselves.
I saw this yesterday and although the Govt. have much to be blamed for containment is not really one of them.
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TBH who thinks they could do a better job? Most governments are caught between a rock and a hard place. In very few countries do the Govts have the willpower / authority to force total closure and in most the people are up in arms at being told that pubs, clubs and social gatherings are off the table for a short while never mind being told to wear a mask in social settings (inc. supermarkets etc.).
It was fucking nuts. One couple wanted their child to spend Xmas with his grandparents another woman was saying I know I shouldn't but I can't leave my Mum alone at Xmas - no just give her a shot at the lottery of a horrible death instead.Totally selfish twats.
We spent 9 months in Europe but couldn't / wouldn't go to visit my very elderly parents because they are doing a great job of shielding themselves.
I saw this yesterday and although the Govt. have much to be blamed for containment is not really one of them.
The oriental lady in the foreground of the top right picture?
That is true. Greece opened up for the summer but I think they got away with it, to a certain extent.
They should have closed the schools earlier than what they did. They also need to bring in powers to stop employers forcing people to come into the office, which is what I've heard is happening.
I just looked up the numbers and there's been over 4000 deaths, I was a bit shy with my "well over 1000".
So with this mutated virus.. can we just not cull the cockneys..
Denmark did it with the mink's.. precedence.
Denmark did it with the mink's.. precedence.
No you fool, you will need them now more than ever to keep the fish markets running, since that will soon be our sole contributor to gdp.
It was fucking nuts. One couple wanted their child to spend Xmas with his grandparents another woman was saying I know I shouldn't but I can't leave my Mum alone at Xmas - no just give her a shot at the lottery of a horrible death instead.Totally selfish twats.
We spent 9 months in Europe but couldn't / wouldn't go to visit my very elderly parents because they are doing a great job of shielding themselves.
I saw this yesterday and although the Govt. have much to be blamed for containment is not really one of them.
On the contrary...
Who imposed the shite rules 'were in lockdown, but not really' in the first place to allow that to happen ??
Billions spent on a failed track and trace system
Who turned a blind eye to beach gathering and VE day.. ?
Public Transport in London working as is in the height of the pandemic..
Who the fuck allowed Student halls of residence to go ahead for this year in this country, without coming up with a suitable alternative home learning arrangement for universities across the board in the wake of the pandemic... (they wanted that to go ahead, apart from the potential mass losses for their Property Tycoon m8's.. well they where likely trying to implement Herd Immunity and all that amongst the young bods.. )..
City's where full of students in September/ October when evidence was suggesting transmission rate between younger people and children were growing at a rapid rate..
That could have been avoided if they applied Home learning only for university students. When they say home. Home. Not halls of fucking residence..
Amongst many upon many other cockups...
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Now I want to see you contrast that vs. what other countries in Europe were doing. Because in my experience (Austria, Germany, Switzerland Italy and Belgium where my step-son lives) they were all doing virtually the same.
Public transport hasn't stopped working anywhere in Europe and only a total imbecile would suggest doing so (the implications of doing so should be beyond evident) which is why no-one has suggested it.
And you know what happens when one country tries something the others haven't implemented? The population goes nuts crying their arses off about civil liberties and unneccessary measures. That has been the issue for virtually all of the West (Europe & North America). I actually agree it should have been far stronger and implemented far quicker .. but that is in the main also in retrospect because literally no country in Europe did so.
Some of your 'examples' make zero sense at all except by trying to be smart in retrospect. Whichever Govt. we had in charge (Cons, Labour, Green, Liberals, whoever) would have ballsed it up because none of them had any idea how to handle this and just went with the flow of what everyone else was doing but with their own tilt at it. You can imagine the outcry and rioting in the streets if they had handled it like China or S.Korea.
Track & Trace I'll definitely agree with you on. But mainly because it was a lost cause from the start, it wasn't remotely feasible to implement but the UK wasn't alone in their desperation (which is all I can put it down to).
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Track & Trace
The issue with Track & Trace is twofold :-
a) the huge manpower and expertise required (and access to private information that in the West people would refuse to give up) and ...
b) the Timeline. Even within the 24 hrs - very roughly - it would take to find everyone possible that was connected (and that's with the huge manpower required and access to private information) those infected people have already been in contact with many others (and we are not even talking about asymptomatics here) some of whom will be untraceable.
When extremely localised it's easier to trace but virtually impossible in a major city or high density population, after the virus has been established). This has been proven, S. Korea and China both gave up T&T as a means of containment after the virus reached a certain point of distribution. It then became a means of slowing distribution not preventing it.
In the UK it clearly could never work (because amongst other legal and moral reasons the systems to do this weren't devised when required - at the onset) but in Singapore for example they use a token that people carry around (I'm not sure if this was a Govt. statute or by choice) and those tokens 'talk' to each other. Even in that advanced system there are obvious holes - but way better than most Track & Trace systems.
In South Korea & China they used all the data from people's phones - you can imagine just how well that would go down in the UK !
Regarding public transport should have been for key workers only..
It was ridiculous what was going on with that in London on the height of the pandemic..
I get the fine balance argument.. but it was beyond stupid the decision being made during the first wave..
Italy did the lock down good and proper. We where no where even near that..
It seemed after the Cummings debarcle it became normal service resumed for all and sundry . Forget the fact the lockdown wasnt even a proper lockdown anyway..
2nd time around they are imposing restriction they should have done first time around (tier4)
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Yep I agree with those sentiments. Though 'key workers' is a difficult term to elucidate. Especially if office workers haven't been confined and would depend on public transport. In a full lockdown though, yes absolutely just key workers.
France pointed out the rise is cases in September was mostly down to universities being open, in their country
We waffled, talk shite showed graphs and avoided the fact the big elephant in room that children and young adults going back to school, education was the cause of the rise in cases.. Whereas pubs, restaurants, etc counted for a fraction of the cases.
My initial point is yes there has been public ignorance in certain quarters. but to say containment is not really one of areas the government could be accountable for.. is complete utter nonsense..
They are.. absolutely.. Track and Trace in its own right and the first lockdown gives enough evidence of that..
The failure to have a successful testing system on entering the country was another that completely baffled me first time round..
2nd time round they are at least trying to contain it with Tier classification.. But they still need a working track and trace system..
You really need to get Track & Trace out of your head other than as a fallible tool. It's not going to happen as you imagine and money spent on it is wasted. If you want it then it has to be done via phones - good luck with that in the UK. Or tokens ? Yeah I can absolutely see that in the UK. As I said earlier the manpower load is huge and you need a compliant population ... great if you live in China, Japan, Korea, Singapore etc.
Why point out France? All of Europe opened their schools ! As I said you love to batter the Tories for anything and everything (NB. I'm politically impartial, they are all twats) but really they were under great pressure ... from the general population (not the teachers) so opening and then the subsequent surge is not surprising in the least.
Again I can totally agree on a testing system. Not that being in agreement would have done much good during the on-set however because there was no public test that could return results in less than 24 hrs, it simply didn't exist in any form possible for 'public' use. They didn't even have enough for hospitals - anywhere in Europe - never mind for airport use.
Now it's completely different of course, when I returned to China from Austria we had four tests done, one 48 hrs before departing Vienna and three in China including one immediately on arrival and two whilst in quarantine.
Containment : get back in context shall we ? I was using the meme to highlight the lack of personal responsibility for containment and that when people behave in that way they are clearly deflecting blame by subsequently putting that on the Govt. (any government, because many cities were the same around Europe before they locked down). Surely you didn't believe the meme and my comment was a catch-all for all containment ... did you? Basically it's in the context of moaning about this latest lockdown, that people need to take a good look at themselves and how they've acted : Xmas shopping, pubs, fleeing London, lockdown parties, booking holidays, going home for Xmas when in a higher Tier etc. etc.