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Chinese "Devil Virus" - anyone worried?

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My kid has spent about a third of the time he's meant to be at childcare off. He gets a sniffle and he has to stay home, he gets a cough and he has to get tested. It's autumn. He's a three year old.

Anyone who bought that kids wouldn't spread this shit around has never had a kid.

That said, he's getting into playing with lego right now and I'm fucking loving it. These other toys he was playing with were shit. Ok, not some of the playmobil, and not the faster friction cars... but everything else. Shit.
 
This national guidance doesn't say you can't visit other households or their gardens.

That's just the local lockdown rules.

It's mental, they must be purposefully making them inconsistent.
 
momoWASboss said:
Kids can do indoor PE in school but not play 5-a-side? I can go the pub with my mates but not for a roast in my mum’s? I don’t have to wear a mask on my meal break but do if I’m serving drinks?

Fucking useless guidance.
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Simple, pay your mum and earmark the check "general mothering." Now you've entered into an economic relationship, the only one that really matters.
 
Farkmaster said:
My kid has spent about a third of the time he's meant to be at childcare off. He gets a sniffle and he has to stay home, he gets a cough and he has to get tested. It's autumn. He's a three year old.

Anyone who bought that kids wouldn't spread this shit around has never had a kid.

That said, he's getting into playing with lego right now and I'm fucking loving it. These other toys he was playing with were shit. Ok, not some of the playmobil, and not the faster friction cars... but everything else. Shit.
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Imaginext. Fucking boss. The dinosaurs are AMAZING, the batmobile/bat-robot that's remote control is still used by me when we have (had, fucking covid) parties, to drive up to unsuspecting kids & fire discs at them whilst they look at the cool bat robot.
 
There is an exemption for grandparents to look after kids which is great and I’m still going for tea the days she has the little gobshites.
 
Yep. Boss. I'd have killed for it when I was a kid. Well, not killed. Maybe screamed loads & flung myself to the ground & cried a lot, only to be disappointed & have to play with it at my mates & pretend not be jealous.
 
Woland said:
This whole thing is fucking nuts. Hospitalisations are up since the kids went back to school. They opened the pubs, cases went down. People rammed the beaches and parks, cases went down. They said you could go hang out with your mates, cases went down. Now the schools are open cases are going up and there'll telling everyone they can't see their mates and pubs need to shut early.

What I wanna know is, why the fuck can't anyone else see it? I'm not saying shut schools, I'm just saying all this other shit won't change anything.
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Cos of they didn't make it look like they were doing something you'd be complaining.
 
Modo said:
But don't you all fear the potential of a second wave. It's like everyone is sitting around waiting for a vaccine that never arrives.
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This was our second wave.

The other states are getting back to the “new” normal - hospitality open with restrictions, crowds at sporting events, cinemas open - it’s just Melbourne in lockdown.

All other states haven’t experienced total new case numbers of over 10 a day - its easy to get a test, cases are effectively tracked & traced and clusters are locked down.

The additional key to it all appears to be tightly controlling entry to the country - numbers allowed are extremely limited and they go straight into a 2 week isolation.

Internal borders have also been closed for a lot of travel.
 
Just having a look on the rona map. London is like 20 or less per 100k. Liverpool is 154. What do you think they're doing that's so much better in London? I think it's just they had it so bad in April there's a level of herd immunity going on that isn't appearing in antibody tests. This is obv just conjecture but otherwise what is the reason it was so terrible last time and so much better now? Back then everyone said they were hit so hard was cos everyone lives on top of each other in London.
 
FoxForceFive said:
It's utter bollocks. Two separate studies have shown that children, esp young children, will carry the virus asymptomatically for longer than adults & are much more like to spread it due to how the virus behaves (it stays in large numbers around the nasal areas for some reason, hence being able to test kids in the nose not back of throat) so when they shout, cough, sing etc, it spreads.

So they're literally mini virus super spreaders.

I get they want schools open so people can go back to work, but if this is what happens then fucking tough. Let everything else open, teach remotely & financially support those people who can't return to work due to kids.

This is coming from someone who is fucking made up his kids are home schooling, so it's hardly like I'm biased.

It's just common fucking sense.
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There are studies that showed the kids are not spreading it onto teachers etc also.
It isn't as easy at all as sending kids to school so parents can go back to work, there is also the issue of course of the kids education.
I'd imagine 90% of parents haven't a clue and in no way able to teach at all, kids are falling behind massively esp those from the lower socio-economic backgrounds.
A lot need the stability and structure of schooling and schools.

It's a no win situation and there needs to be some sort of give and take, if we agree or disagree with the government decisions on the give and take is another.
The memes etc around of coronavirus at 9.59 or 10pm are funny enough but it's obviously a decision that needs to be made, keep the pubs/rest etc open and at least some revenue, fully open or shut.

The problem is trust. Don't trust the gov, don't trust Boris, don't trust the vaccine process, don't trust the vallance/whitty, don't trust media, don't trust scientists.
 
When you've got Liverpool at 150 cases per 100k you should go full China and shut everything for three weeks while people bring you shopping in hazmat suits. In London where it's 15 cases the pubs should be doing what they want.
 
I don't wanna keep repeating myself but how come loads of footy players are suddenly getting it when they weren't for months? It's not the pubs, it's the schools.
 
You should trust nobody who doesn't stand to gain or lose money on the basis of what they say. Except me of course.
 
Woland said:
I don't wanna keep repeating myself but how come loads of footy players are suddenly getting it when they weren't for months? It's not the pubs, it's the schools.
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If you draw a five mile radius around your home. All the adults in that radius will hardly ever come into contact with each other. They all sit in their home, then get the trains and cars fanning out into unique places of work. The contacts they have are with some people for 30 minutes on the train, then the same dozen people day after day in their office, or in the pub. It's very hard work for a virus to get its hands on everyone in that five mile radius. This is obvious.

Now consider the kids in that five mile radius. They all go to the same school, and spend all day with each other. Then go back and spend all night with the adults. The number of contacts between every single family in the area is suddenly lighting up like Thiago's pass map.
 
Woland said:
Just having a look on the rona map. London is like 20 or less per 100k. Liverpool is 154. What do you think they're doing that's so much better in London? I think it's just they had it so bad in April there's a level of herd immunity going on that isn't appearing in antibody tests. This is obv just conjecture but otherwise what is the reason it was so terrible last time and so much better now? Back then everyone said they were hit so hard was cos everyone lives on top of each other in London.
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They wash their hands.
 
Woland said:
Just having a look on the rona map. London is like 20 or less per 100k. Liverpool is 154. What do you think they're doing that's so much better in London? I think it's just they had it so bad in April there's a level of herd immunity going on that isn't appearing in antibody tests. This is obv just conjecture but otherwise what is the reason it was so terrible last time and so much better now? Back then everyone said they were hit so hard was cos everyone lives on top of each other in London.
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My theory is that London has so many areas that are essentially towns with their own supermarkets, shops, coffee shops etc which means it is easier for people to stay in one place than perhaps areas where things within the area are more city centre centric.
 
Brizzle said:
My theory is that London has so many areas that are essentially towns with their own supermarkets, shops, coffee shops etc which means it is easier for people to stay in one place than perhaps areas where things within the area are more city centre centric.
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This is a good theory. Once there would be people who would come up with these types of theory, compute the consequences of it, and see whether it agreed with experiment. If it did, then you'd have an improved understanding of what was going on. Alas this is no longer how science works, you just gather all the data, those juicy xG and xA and R number data science stats, run it through some code, and plot the results of your dumbass simulation on a graph. Then when you log in to twitter you'll see everyone referring to your great works as the "expert opinion" of scientists whom the government ought to listen to, at which point you can take out your cock and chill.
 
I've been mulling that opinion based on my recent anecdotal experience of London and Liverpool suburbs being broadly similar, except London ones are a bit busier.

I was thinking maybe more London people are working from home, but when you look at the low figures of boroughs like Lambeth and Brent, who were battered by the first wave and have a lot of blue collar workers, I don't know if that's it either.
 
Reminds me of a time i worked for a client who had hit a stumbling block with processing finance reports from Spotify as they were 2-3m records long and they were trying to open in excel.

Great tool but its amazing how many people aren't moving to modern tools for modern problems.
 
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peterhague said:
If only we could tax people more so the government had enough money to invest on our behalf.
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Ah yes, that chestnut.

See how dysfunctional our government is? The only solution is to provide it with less money. Now look how dysfunctional it is! I wonder what would happen if we starved it of money! Can't get your post on time? This is why you shouldn't trust the government with your money.

Of course the converse argument is also ludicrous, but another way might be to run the government better.

It's the same logic that has seen millions of people conspicuously evidence how awful they are at performing chores they hate.
 
Love that we're meant to believe that the most significant stats in the country for decades are being looked after by one overworked excel admin and not being peer reviewed by anyone, and somehow it's costing what you'd pay a quarter of a million excel admins for a full year's work
 
Woland said:
Love that we're meant to believe that the most significant stats in the country for decades are being looked after by one overworked excel admin and not being peer reviewed by anyone, and somehow it's costing what you'd pay a quarter of a million excel admins for a full year's work
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https://www.contractsfinder.service...8c-a0cd-6b6f35793ccd?origin=SearchResults&p=1

You're right, it was only £11bn. Thank fuck for that. I'm sure the accounting practices in the channel islands where the contract was procured from are sufficiently robust to ensure it has all been spent as it was supposed to be.
 
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