Chinese "Devil Virus" - anyone worried?
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I was going to say that's a bit harsh on Dantes, and that he would be perfectly happy to have us all enslaved in some sort of Matrix type scenario where we're all hooked up to machines and he's harvesting our body heat. But then I seen he liked your post, so he must want us all to die.
I don't want to seem like a poser here, but I still don't see how his assumed Latino heritage disqualifies him from being a US patriot.
It doesn't, but again that's not the point Atlas was trying - altogether too hard - to make, namely: "Look everyone, here's yet another WASP redneck going postal". He was using the term "patriot" as shorthand for that, not as neutral terminology simply denoting someone who's proud of his country.
"Ruis" being a mainly S.American form of the Spanish surname "Ruiz" BTW, I reckon the assumption of Latino heritage is a fairly safe one.
"Ruis" being a mainly S.American form of the Spanish surname "Ruiz" BTW, I reckon the assumption of Latino heritage is a fairly safe one.
I had to google WASP Redneck, didn't know that existed.
My using the patriot was just to point out as plenty of Americans have said that it's against the constitution or some shit to be forced to wear a mask. Plenty of posts and vids how it's unamerican to cover the face.
Atlas has clarified what he meant, which is precisely how I interpreted it. I think you're making something out of nothing. Not that it really matters, but all the news outlets are describing Sean Earnest Ruis as a 'white male'.
Just seen Atlas' clarification. That isn't how I interpreted the previous post, but of course I accept it.
I don't accept the "making too much" bit, given especially Atlas' original comeback, but this won't be the first time you and I have agreed to differ on here. Peace.
I don't accept the "making too much" bit, given especially Atlas' original comeback, but this won't be the first time you and I have agreed to differ on here. Peace.
The ward is different from anywhere else due to the high concentration of large infectious droplets which are being continually replenished by the breathing vermin. People on wards wear the proper two way valve filtered masks to block those droplets as they come in, and then wear the regular surgical mask on top to supposedly filter the exhaled air to protect others. I'd wear the first type, couldn't give a fuck about the second type.
Let's assume droplets are considered big above 5 microns and small below 5 microns. Lets assume the big droplets contain more of the virus and we definitely don't want to be sucking those up. The surgical mask that probably does fuck all looks like this.
The outer layers do fuck all, they are just there for aesthetics and structural support. The scale on the bottom left is 80 microns, so you can compare that to the openings in those layers and convince yourself that they won't stop shit. The middle layer is the business part, and has a chance of stopping droplets above 5 microns, but below that it stops barely anything. By stop, the virus doesn't get zapped into oblivion, it just adsorbs or absorbs to the fibres.
Something like that. A couple more breaths, and that son of a bitch is going to get pulled through into your lungs. In a ward where the concentration is much higher, the shit continually landing on the mask is far more than what you pull through the other side, so you gain some benefit. Hopefully. It's still arguable. Outside, you walk through one cloud of infected air, and take one hit onto your mask. It's not a constant barrage. So it doesn't really matter whether it landed on your mask or into your mouth, because over the course of the next hour you're going to hoover all that shit up through the other side of the fibres. The end result is the same.
Now factor in that the mask the public will wear are not 20 micron mesh surgical masks, but fucking Adidas branded rags that will look like the outer two layers above. So you see the difference now I hope.
You do know the main reason for masks is for protecting others? So if I don't breathe out 'covid clouds' there's no cloud of it for you to walk through.
Unless you are willing to stop breathing for my protection, which don't get me wrong would be an incredibly noble and worthwhile sacrifice, then the clouds are passing through the cloth the way strikers pass through Lovren.
What concerns me is that without a mask, most of the virus statistically speaking is contained in larger droplet sizes. Those droplets will hit the floor before I come anywhere near them. With a mask, only smaller sized droplets will pass through, and due to the conservation of mass, the big droplets won't accumulate for long before they get pushed through the mesh and alas, you now have lots of small droplets lingering in the air instead of just a few.
So what you're saying is that it helps. Hopefully. But that it's definitely better to wear a mask where you are probably walking through clouds of covid droplets. So while it really isn't much of a bother to wear it, you might as well wear a mask when walking into a shop.
Dantes you argued yourself into a corner. Even if there is marginal benefit from wearing it, you might as well try to do something to protect yourself and others from the possibility of spread. If you would wear a mask in a ward, it's the same rationale as outside a ward where everyone in the shop might have covid-19. You never know. It's not a big deal to wear a mask. So it's only cunts who don't at this point.
No, in a ward there is a continual steam of infectious droplets, so without a mask you'll be constantly inhaling virus after virus after virus. Then all other considerations go out of the window, you need a barrier to slow down the barrage of incoming hits. Even if you just wear the surgical mask by itself which doesn't stop the small droplets, it doesn't matter, because it's always stopping something, which is better than nothing.
When there isn't a continual barrage of covid hitting your face, it's a different process entirely. The main consideration here is the droplet size because only the small droplets will remain suspended in the air long enough for you to walk through. That's one reason why you don't want other people to wear masks if the mesh basically turns their spit into an aerosol. Then there is the factor of the mask having a big surface area, so walking through a cloud whilst breathing through a mask will just ensure a lot more of the droplets get deposited on the mask than would have gone through your nostrils. That's one reason why you don't want to wear a mask yourself. Another reason is you're going to be re-breathing more CO2 than normal, and that will increase your breathing rate and your heart rate to cope, which might ironically render you vulnerable to a respiratory virus, and also increase the amount of air you suck in as you walk through a covid cloud. Outside of the hospital, nobody has a clue how these factors are weighted and interplay. Inside the hospital they don't matter because everything is totally outweighed by the concentration of droplets in that environment. It's a different set of physics which nobody has investigated and answered.
There's no such thing as a wasp redneck.
That makes absolutely no sense especially since masks are meant to be worn for small periods in crowded spaces not all day long.
If you think that, then make sure you carry a bunch of $100 bills with you when you head out. Or else make it look like a genuine and shocking lapse of concentration like this minister, then the cop might buy it and let you off.
The government has already proved it couldn't give less of a fuck about people dying. I'm sure they only want masks on so that people feel safer when they go out and spend money in shops to get the decimated economy going again. That is a good argument for wearing them I suppose.
Yeah, it's weird the government would want an incredibly cheap, easy, and effective solution to an incredibly difficult challenge.
The Japanese have been wearing masks, proper masks, as part of their standard attire for decades. They suffered the first wave, and are now heading into their second wave. My eyes, the masks do nothing!
Dantes.
How’s the Death Rate going in Florida - you know, a few weeks after infection cases started to surge?
Big D does like setting new records... particularly in his home state.
Hope he’ll be able to get back in there to vote later on in the year and not have to use one of those postal votes he hates and doesn’t want to see other people using.
How’s the Death Rate going in Florida - you know, a few weeks after infection cases started to surge?
Big D does like setting new records... particularly in his home state.
Hope he’ll be able to get back in there to vote later on in the year and not have to use one of those postal votes he hates and doesn’t want to see other people using.
This is as ridiculous an argument as I've heard from you over the past few pages - and there have been many.
The Japanese are renowned for having low cold & flu dissemination rates due to the social care they take by wearing masks in public places and at work whenever they feel even a tad unwell.
That is literally the worst possible example you could have given - the total antithesis to your argument !
No, the cold/flu is transmitted by coughing droplets onto other people and surfaces, which their masks stop. They haven't stopped the coronavirus because it's far more infectious and spread by aerosol sized droplets when people just talk and breath, those droplets go right through the mask because the openings between the fibres are physically bigger than these droplets.
Dantes doubling down and blowing out.
Let's see your Japan stats to back that up (actually we already know them which is why I'm asking you) 😀
New cases per day in Japan (they've tested 4740 people per million of the population):
New cases per day in England (they've tested 186,600 people per million of the population):
The testing rates have obviously changed over time, and the reported new cases is contaminated by idiots who don't know how to collect data. But there's nothing I can do about that. Let's take the peaks of both and adjust them for the amount of testing done. Japan have 15.7% of people tested being infected at peak. The UK has 3.3% of people tested being infected at peak. It's been a long time since I was in school, but from what I can remember of my arithmetic, I do believe 15 is a bigger number than 3.
You're more than a hundred times less likely to die of covid in Japan than the UK. Stick your graphs up your hoop dude.
Excess deaths in Japan this year are going to be less than last year, so it's not that they're fiddling the numbers. They're just a hundred times better at this than us.
Excess deaths in Japan this year are going to be less than last year, so it's not that they're fiddling the numbers. They're just a hundred times better at this than us.
The problem with those stats is that Randox's kits are shit and are probably skewing the UK's numbers. Also, as @Woland has pointed out Japan has twice the number of people as the UK but fewer deaths. Not to mention that Japan has more densely populated cities than the UK. While it's a bigger country, it is very mountainous and has a higher urban population than the UK. It's probably got an older population as well...
I don't care who has died in Japan, I care about the infection rate and whether the masks will do anything to protect me in London. The fact they've not died is down to other things, like their prime minister being a normal functioning person, their hospitals being far better than ours, their elderly being looked after by family rather than in homes, and the fact they just have longer lifespans than we do, so what we consider to be elderly here is just middle aged for them, and all sorts of other stuff I don't care about.