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Chinese "Devil Virus" - anyone worried?

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Do you know the way Dreamy tries to be super objective in the football forum but just comes across like a manc? Well, that's Dantes in here.
 
dantes said:
I don't care who has died in Japan, I care about the infection rate and whether the masks will do anything to protect me in London. The fact they've not died is down to other things, like their prime minister being a normal functioning person, their hospitals being far better than ours, their elderly being looked after by family rather than in homes, and the fact they just have longer lifespans than we do, so what we consider to be elderly here is just middle aged for them, and all sorts of other stuff I don't care about.
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You should line the inside of your nostrils with vaseline before you go out and then blow your nose whenever you get to your destination.
 
Imagine you drop sesame seeds on the floor and create a giant mess. A mask is the equivalent of a smug cunt telling you that you should have had a sieve there, the sieve would have provided a barrier and stopped the seeds hitting the floor.
 
May as well gaffer tape this over your face.

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dantes said:
New cases per day in Japan (they've tested 4740 people per million of the population):

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New cases per day in England (they've tested 186,600 people per million of the population):

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The testing rates have obviously changed over time, and the reported new cases is contaminated by idiots who don't know how to collect data. But there's nothing I can do about that. Let's take the peaks of both and adjust them for the amount of testing done. Japan have 15.7% of people tested being infected at peak. The UK has 3.3% of people tested being infected at peak. It's been a long time since I was in school, but from what I can remember of my arithmetic, I do believe 15 is a bigger number than 3.
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how about scaling them new cases charts and putting them on top of each other, mr fake news?
 
tomasjj said:
how about scaling them new cases charts and putting them on top of each other, mr fake news?
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Scaling, that's what I forgot to do. If you scale for the population then the infection rate of Japan halves. So of the 60 million people over here, more of less 3.3% of them are infected. Out of the 120 million people in Japan 7.8% are infected. Unless there is some other reason you can think of for why that is, the conclusion is that wearing masks has increased the infection rate.
 
dantes said:
No, in a ward there is a continual steam of infectious droplets, so without a mask you'll be constantly inhaling virus after virus after virus. Then all other considerations go out of the window, you need a barrier to slow down the barrage of incoming hits. Even if you just wear the surgical mask by itself which doesn't stop the small droplets, it doesn't matter, because it's always stopping something, which is better than nothing.

When there isn't a continual barrage of covid hitting your face, it's a different process entirely. The main consideration here is the droplet size because only the small droplets will remain suspended in the air long enough for you to walk through. That's one reason why you don't want other people to wear masks if the mesh basically turns their spit into an aerosol. Then there is the factor of the mask having a big surface area, so walking through a cloud whilst breathing through a mask will just ensure a lot more of the droplets get deposited on the mask than would have gone through your nostrils. That's one reason why you don't want to wear a mask yourself. Another reason is you're going to be re-breathing more CO2 than normal, and that will increase your breathing rate and your heart rate to cope, which might ironically render you vulnerable to a respiratory virus, and also increase the amount of air you suck in as you walk through a covid cloud. Outside of the hospital, nobody has a clue how these factors are weighted and interplay. Inside the hospital they don't matter because everything is totally outweighed by the concentration of droplets in that environment. It's a different set of physics which nobody has investigated and answered.
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It's an interesting take on the small droplets, but wouldnt the mask slow the speed of droplets that do pass through, since they lose energy and momentum, and hence fall to the ground faster rather than slower?

And even if some do get through, there is a reduction in the total amount which is a good thing
 
dantes said:
Scaling, that's what I forgot to do. If you scale for the population then the infection rate of Japan halves. So of the 60 million people over here, more of less 3.3% of them are infected. Out of the 120 million people in Japan 7.8% are infected. Unless there is some other reason you can think of for why that is, the conclusion is that wearing masks has increased the infection rate.
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The charts you posted above, are saying that Japan's highest rates of cases per 100k, are roughly equal to England's lowest rates i.e 3-400 per day, while England has been as high as 5-6000 per day, Japan has never been higher than 6 or 700.
 
Hyena said:
It's an interesting take on the small droplets, but wouldnt the mask slow the speed of droplets that do pass through, since they lose energy and momentum, and hence fall to the ground faster rather than slower?

And even if some do get through, there is a reduction in the total amount which is a good thing
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I like your thought process it is superior to the people in charge. The speed is irrelevant as the small droplets remain suspended in air naturally like the household dust you see during sunshine.

I don't know if less or more will get out. It could be either.
 
Gerry_A_Trick said:
The charts you posted above, are saying that Japan's highest rates of cases per 100k, are roughly equal to England's lowest rates i.e 3-400 per day, while England has been as high as 5-6000 per day, Japan has never been higher than 6 or 700.
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Yes, but you need to factor in that Japan have tested much less of their population. They didn't need to because they didn't balls the whole thing up but you still need to factor it out.
 
It's possible the mask reduces the viral mass that makes it into your mouth, so lots of people show up as infected, but they didn't feast upon enough of the virus to get seriously ill. That might explain the lower death rates. Or I'm clutching at straws now that my own life is again going to be put at risk.
 
There's lower deaths and cases per 100k. I'm not sure how much test numbers matter, deaths is the one that really matters(and surplus deaths the key way to show that). It may be that masks are not effective (despite all common sense and all medics of any decent standing, saying the opposite), but using Japan as the example definitely doesn't show it.
 
Cases per 100k doesn't tell you anything, it's cases per person tested, which you can then use as a proxy for how much of the population is likely infected. Japan only test 400 people out of each 100k, and we test 18000 people out of each 100k. So the fact they have less positive results per 100k is not surprising.
 
Honestly Dantes - why would you pass up the opportunity to walk around looking like some sort of badass Mortal Kombat character.

Colombian girls might really dig it.
 
Oh my god, his primary voter base will hopefully forgive this but he needs to fire his campaign advisor and hire me instead.
 
At least make a maga mask, how hard would that be. Not a black one, fuck me, he might as well have taken the knee whilst he was at it. Disaster.
 
Stop virtue signalling and being unpatriotic Dantes.... get your mask on.
 
The upside of a mask is you can say "I think you're a lying bitch" to the brilliant press secretary, and in the absence of FA lip readers just deny it with some fake news invention about engage something or other. Disgraceful behaviour by the fake news.

 
If there is any truth to the theory that’s colder weather helps the virus spread more rapidly - looking at what’s happening in Melbourne - then I’d say anyone in the UK would be advised to enjoy what freedoms they have right now - because in 10 weeks time you’ll be in the shit again and locking down even harder.

Melbourne is fucked for the forseeable.
 
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