With all this talk about “Virtue Signalling”, I’ve always wondered what the opposite of it is - ignorance signalling or something, I suppose?
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With all this talk about “Virtue Signalling”, I’ve always wondered what the opposite of it is - ignorance signalling or something, I suppose?
I assumed it is remaining absolutely silent and still, until such time as you are required to carry out some necessary act. Just basic manners.
I look forward to you remaining absolutely silent and still on a whole range of issues to avoid being accused of virtue signalling.
Actually, we probably all will.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53411850
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A police officer in the US state of Michigan has shot dead a man suspected of stabbing a customer in a shop, in an altercation over face masks.
Police say the incident began in a convenience store near Lansing, where the suspect - named as Sean Ruis - attacked a 77-year-old man who had challenged him for not wearing a mask.
They say Ruis fled the scene in a car.
He was later pulled over by a female deputy sheriff, who opened fire when Ruis lunged towards her.
Michigan State Police released footage of the confrontation in a residential area in the Lansing suburb of Delta early on Tuesday.
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Patriot, willing to die for the freedom to not wear a mask
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A police officer in the US state of Michigan has shot dead a man suspected of stabbing a customer in a shop, in an altercation over face masks.
Police say the incident began in a convenience store near Lansing, where the suspect - named as Sean Ruis - attacked a 77-year-old man who had challenged him for not wearing a mask.
They say Ruis fled the scene in a car.
He was later pulled over by a female deputy sheriff, who opened fire when Ruis lunged towards her.
Michigan State Police released footage of the confrontation in a residential area in the Lansing suburb of Delta early on Tuesday.
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Patriot, willing to die for the freedom to not wear a mask
Not with a Latino surname like "Ruis". Your actual patriot would be called something like Bubba Bobcatt III. This was some yobbo who couldn't give a stuff and wasn't going to tolerate anyone daring to tell him he couldn't do WTF he wanted when he wanted, and there are far too many of them here as well.
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Wow... not sure you want to be copying American innovations at this point.
My little state is ticking up now. It relies too much on interstate tourism to be able to cope with the influx of people escaping the heat in the south. Nursery school hasn't even opened yet, and I'm fairly sure it's not going to. This winter is going to be fucking grim.
I've never had less respect for the US, and given how I was raised that's really saying something.
I'm a scientist... I haven't studied fluid mechanics but fair chunks of quantum mechanics among other topics also... just basic obvious knowledge will tell you that putting on a barrier such as a mask will reduce the amount of droplets of virus you breathe out landing in the area around you and hence reduce the amount that others are exposed to and limit the amount of spread. It aint complicated really, it's not actually much of a scientific debate at all... it just isn't... it's kind of just obvious and simple... are all masks perfect and prevent every droplet... NO... is it better than nothing? YES...
Is there actually a "debate" at all? NO...
When looking in from abroad at the shit happening in the US and sadly it seems now to spill over into the UK it's just people being selfish cunts cos it's their God-given right to be fucking dumb fucking selfish cunt.
Just as reopening states and allowing lots of people to gather and hold "Corona" parties are about as dumb as possible and Trump rallies are definitive proof of Darwin's theory of Evolution... natural selection at it's very finest... it's a Democrat hoax designed to stop his re-election of course it is... FAKE deaths... That Fauci shouldn't be believed!
Constitutional rights eh... everyone has the right to be a dumb selfish ignorant fucking cunt... well done... It's a bit like the right to own guns... YES, sure, the kids on the playground should have a right to reach adulthood but I truly need a machine gun... it's far more important it's in the constitution!!
Talking bout Mushys... I'm finally out of quarantine in 3 days time and I've just bought myself a new car and I am straight onto the road and going up north and I am gonna eat so many mushys I cannot fucking wait... tripping on a road trip... talk about breaking free!!
It's not a debate, there is a definite answer, which is far from obvious to me. The masks don't repel droplets, they let the vast majority go right through and the rest gradually build up on the fibres. Immediately the conclusion that this is obviously better than walking in and out of the droplet cloud without a mask is questionable. When you have the mask on, you have to exhale with more force to flush out the carbon dioxide rich air around your mouth, so that will send droplets right through the mask and further into the environment than if you just breathed normally. Again, the conclusion that this mask is going to stop you infecting other people is questionable. The physics is extremely complicated, and scientists just don't give a shit anymore, they're a bunch of cunts who only want to virtue signal, say the right things, and get the monies.
Don't be silly. The Latino point, as well you know (or would if you weren't posing so hard), referred to your "patriot" allegation. This Latino was an entitled yobbo. Nowhere did I say or imply that they all are.
A mask will prevent some dispersal of droplets... that's a fact, it just is...
"Scientists don't give s shit anymore" Only interested in money... Errrrm ... to "virtue signal"...
OK... I don't need any cash I'm alright at the minute... but thanks anyway... and I aint got no masks to sell you... and as for "virtue signalling", please stop defecating on the language. I'm not sure what that means, but it mentions "virtue" so... I truly, honestly, 100%, couldn't give a flying fuck if a dumb fucking ignorant selfish cunt dies, that's not virtuous, is it? Shouldn't I care if I was "virtue signalling", so... Do you believe me now?
My only hope is I'd rather they didn't take down innocents on the way out.
"Scientists don't give s shit anymore" Only interested in money... Errrrm ... to "virtue signal"...
OK... I don't need any cash I'm alright at the minute... but thanks anyway... and I aint got no masks to sell you... and as for "virtue signalling", please stop defecating on the language. I'm not sure what that means, but it mentions "virtue" so... I truly, honestly, 100%, couldn't give a flying fuck if a dumb fucking ignorant selfish cunt dies, that's not virtuous, is it? Shouldn't I care if I was "virtue signalling", so... Do you believe me now?
My only hope is I'd rather they didn't take down innocents on the way out.
It's not a fact. A fact is that smaller droplets remained suspended in the air for longer and travel further than larger droplets. That is a physically obvious fact. Let's ignore my point and say you exhale with a normal amount of pressure, where do the droplets go? They don't vanish into the ether. The large droplets might sit on the fibres, then get degraded into nano droplets as you continue to breath, the way you push food through a sieve. Well done, instead of breathing out large droplets that will hit the floor within a couple of metres, you're now a walking aerosol can. Are you absolutely sure about the surface physics to tell me I'm wrong? I'm not, and I'm a chemical engineer and a goddamn genius.
By virtue signalling, I mean scientists aren't sure about the above either, but they sure has hell have the same questions lest they learned absolutely nothing in their degrees. So why are they not researching the answers to those questions? Getting facts, and duly telling one side or the other to shut the fuck up? It's because that research is extremely difficult and time consuming to do properly. Instead they do some bullshit test, if that, get the publication out, and then collect the monies. Their conclusions (some of whom get their fees to appear in the media to talk about) are not conclusions to me, they're just disgusting blasphemous virtue signalling propaganda. Maybe they are politically motivated. Maybe it is peer pressure. Maybe it's financial greed. Who cares, they're not proper scientists and they're nowhere near answering the question.
@dantes you sure that's right? I'd have thought a correctly fitted mask did the opposite of that.
Reference
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0843-2#Sec3
Unless the mask has a static charge, and the droplets carry the opposite charge, then the mask isn't repelling them.
I think it is pretty reasonable to ask that those working in shops ask that customers wear masks. Just as they have been asked to keep numbers inside the shops down and have spacing in queues.
What is unreasonable is to say that shops are legally responsible. The individual is responsible and only the police can actually enforce it by giving fines etc.
Yeah the last thing shopkeepers need is to become enforcers. Noone needs to deal with deranged headwands who think this is a philosophical attack on their way of life. It'll be very difficult for anyone to police it, but most people will follow the law and that'll hopefully be enough to keep the R down, fingers crossed
How very odd, so your assertion that at best the masks merely filter down the exhaled virus into smaller droplets which hang in the air for longer.... and that in fact, Scientists are lying about it for political reasons possibly... backed up with bullshit tests.... hmmm yes... political eh... hmm...
I'm not a genius myself, stable or otherwise, but I am a Chemist and judging by the in hospitals and labs etc ... ask yourself if you were in reasonably close proximity to a stranger would you prefer it if they were wearing a mask? I would.
I suspect the vast majority of people will follow the rules, and that those who moan about it now will sheepishly go along with it too when it comes to it.
I don’t personally like wearing a face mask. I doubt anyone does. But it’s hardly a big deal. The freedom to not wear a face mask hardly seems worth acting like a knobhead over.
A chemical engineer too? How many qualifications is that now?
I didn't say they're lying, I said they don't know because they haven't investigated it, developed a model, and tested the model against experiment. They've just used the funds to buy some new equipment for their labs (which are free assets that will generate consultancy revenues in the future when they claim to be experts to industry and can have a look at their masks for £600 per test), or else to fly off to different pointless conferences (which are glorified networking events to generate new future revenue streams), and the actual research which they took those funds for is just a lastminute.com after thought.
But yes I would prefer them to wear a mask, because it will at least stop the large droplets, and I'll get the fuck out of there before they have a chance to breath their smaller droplets over me. I would also prefer myself personally to not wear a mask, because I know it's probably next to useless in reducing the spread of the virus, that it is a respiratory virus that in the highly likely event I will get at some point, that I'll probably survive, but if I get it and I'm walking around with a mask which forces my lungs to work harder just to get enough oxygen, then I could end up in intensive care thanks to having a rag over my mouth and nose. Like these two poor bastards apparently did.
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The sudden deaths of two young students on the track in China have sparked public concerns about kids being forced to take part in PE class while wearing masks. On April 30, a 14-year-old boy died suddenly during a 1 km fitness test at his school in Changsha, Hunan province. During the run, the boy was wearing an N95 mask. His death followed that of another schoolboy in Henan province who also collapsed when running laps while wearing a mask on April 24. He was 15 years old. Following the coronavirus outbreak, kids across China have been returning back to school over the past month but are required to wear face masks at all times while on school grounds.
https://shanghaiist.com/2020/05/05/...d-while-running-laps-at-school-with-masks-on/
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I think mask wearing in shops is the right call, albeit its far too delayed.
The metrolink in Manchester has made it compulsory to have a mask to travel and 95 percent roughly seem to be complying.
In shops its around 20 percent from my observations.
Need to do all we can or prevent or reduce the second wave. We can't afford another lockdown surely.
The metrolink in Manchester has made it compulsory to have a mask to travel and 95 percent roughly seem to be complying.
In shops its around 20 percent from my observations.
Need to do all we can or prevent or reduce the second wave. We can't afford another lockdown surely.
Given that the academic institution handing out the qualifications is likely to be Trump University - I’d say infinite.
So what you're saying is - that if you personally were walking in to a COVID-19 ward full of ailing people breathing all over the place, you think it would be safer to not wear a mask? If you don't think that, then please explain why you would be wearing a mask in that environment, and why it would be different from anywhere else?
I'd get mine from the farmers market.
The ward is different from anywhere else due to the high concentration of large infectious droplets which are being continually replenished by the breathing vermin. People on wards wear the proper two way valve filtered masks to block those droplets as they come in, and then wear the regular surgical mask on top to supposedly filter the exhaled air to protect others. I'd wear the first type, couldn't give a fuck about the second type.
Let's assume droplets are considered big above 5 microns and small below 5 microns. Lets assume the big droplets contain more of the virus and we definitely don't want to be sucking those up. The surgical mask that probably does fuck all looks like this.
The outer layers do fuck all, they are just there for aesthetics and structural support. The scale on the bottom left is 80 microns, so you can compare that to the openings in those layers and convince yourself that they won't stop shit. The middle layer is the business part, and has a chance of stopping droplets above 5 microns, but below that it stops barely anything. By stop, the virus doesn't get zapped into oblivion, it just adsorbs or absorbs to the fibres.
Something like that. A couple more breaths, and that son of a bitch is going to get pulled through into your lungs. In a ward where the concentration is much higher, the shit continually landing on the mask is far more than what you pull through the other side, so you gain some benefit. Hopefully. It's still arguable. Outside, you walk through one cloud of infected air, and take one hit onto your mask. It's not a constant barrage. So it doesn't really matter whether it landed on your mask or into your mouth, because over the course of the next hour you're going to hoover all that shit up through the other side of the fibres. The end result is the same.
Now factor in that the mask the public will wear are not 20 micron mesh surgical masks, but fucking Adidas branded rags that will look like the outer two layers above. So you see the difference now I hope.
