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Chinese "Devil Virus" - anyone worried?

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Look out - 2nd wave of panic buying bog roll has started in Melbourne.

There are some prize plums in this world.
 
So now some daft bitch is going to see that on facebook or whatever it they use like last time, and we'll have it going on over here again.
You've only had a small uptick in cases haven't you anyway, not deaths?
 
It 'could' be but I'd have thought not due to range of states its peaking in that haven't had huge protests like other states?
Obviously the protestors are immune from the virus though, unless they've got their bame science all wrong.
 
Brixton locals having a bit of a social distancing street party last night. Took it well when the police tried to disperse it and asked for them to adhere to social distancing.

 
Atlas said:
The huge rise in America due to BLM marches/protests?
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I'm sure they had some impact, but not a significant one. There are plenty of places with protests that aren't having spikes, and plenty of places with spikes without huge protests.

The reason is horrible leadership and a government that views the economy as the meaning of life.

Only the Northeast states were really hit hard as a region, and their curve looks like any European country. They had two weeks of steadily declining cases and hospitalizations. Their R value was well below 1. They opened and their cases kept going down.

The places not hit hard thought that the first wave was over. In reality, their curve was flat or ambiguous when they reopened. They never really had a wave. It would be like if Andalucia in Spain had opened up 3 weeks earlier, because it wasn't that hard hit, and they all started saying "we aren't Madrid." A month later, Sevilla would be in crises.

So you had a bunch of places with a significant amount of cases in the population, and they opened up. The whole thing gets politicized due to the fact that the United States is not United, and the only national leadership has discouraged mask use and mocked the crises for political ends. Southern states compete to open up quickly, and messages about Freedom and the economy take hold as the CDC is pushed out of the national discourse. For more than a month now, the CDC has had no significant public voice as the Trump administration has found their message of safety counterproductive, and Trump has tracked the CDC's head, Dr. Fauci as a threat, with far more public trust and popularity than he.

There was nothing stopping these numbers circulating through the population. 90% + of people walking around in Florida, Arizona, Texas etc. are not wearing masks. People didn't see death, didn't know anyone dying, and the abstract statistics have no real impact on their behavior. People are out in droves. It's summer time. It's all over. They are mobbing bars, clubs, shops, etc. They don't socially distance. They plop their obese, science hating asses down in large buildings with recirculated air conditioning. The answer to "why is it happening there" is the same answer to why it happened anywhere in the first place. If you don't do anything about it, the virus can spread exponentially.

I'm sure however that in addition to blaming roaming immigrants, black lives matter and antifa will now be blamed. It looks gay to wear a mask though, huh. Fogs up my fucking glasses.
 
I'm not sure there's a direct, consistent link between the detection cases and deaths, or severe symptoms. E.g it's not the case that for every 1000 people that is tested as having it, there's 1 death. It seems to be all over the show. So just because the numbers of detection are going up and up, the deaths aren't following.
In America, the deaths have been around 1000 a day or below pretty much, all month, on a downwards trend, whilst the confirmed cases are going from around 20k a day to 35k a day at the exact same time.

So is the spike in detection numbers anything to be overly worried about? Does it matter if the entire population was infected if the death/critical cases were zero?
 
You probably need to look at the US at a state level. I haven't looked, but I suspect if you do, you'd see a better correlation between cases and deaths, depending on levels of testing and how they count which could be different in each?
 
Why’s Big D pulling funding for testing?

Surely he’s not doing it To make the infection numbers look lower?
 
Mors said:
I'm not sure there's a direct, consistent link between the detection cases and deaths, or severe symptoms. E.g it's not the case that for every 1000 people that is tested as having it, there's 1 death. It seems to be all over the show. So just because the numbers of detection are going up and up, the deaths aren't following.
In America, the deaths have been around 1000 a day or below pretty much, all month, on a downwards trend, whilst the confirmed cases are going from around 20k a day to 35k a day at the exact same time.

So is the spike in detection numbers anything to be overly worried about? Does it matter if the entire population was infected if the death/critical cases were zero?
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It absolutely matters. In most of these states cases are going up and percent positive is going up. So is the hospitalization rate. That means that the ceiling on the actual number of cases is many times larger than known. I'd hope that the nursing homes won't contribute the staggering amount of deaths we've seen up to this point, but that's no easy feat, and given the general laxity in some of these states, I don't know if they can cope with asymptomatic worker spread. Deaths from this spike will start to show a couple weeks from now, but with the continued bottlenecks in testing getting any great data about whether the response has reduced fatality percentages will be almost impossible.
 
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When you put unequivocal proof of evolution or the big bang in front of those people, they still respond with bible this and bible that. So really what the fuck did the epidemiologists (who couldn't even prove pythagoras if their corrupt fake news life depended on it) think was going to happen when their pathetically bad research was put to the same people?
 
Frogfish said:
Now it's public toilets you have to beware of ... going in the woods seem safer, back to nature !

https://www.studyfinds.org/toilets-can-spew-clouds-of-droplets-containing-sars-cov-2-other-viruses/
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These researchers have no shame left, they don't even attempt to pretend they're doing worthwhile value for money research.


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Time was a scientist will actually investigate the virus, understand it, then use that insight to develop a test for it. An error rate of 5% would shock them to their core in those times.

Now a data scientist will plug in some factors, run the stats / machine learning code, spit out a combination of factors that have >50% predictive power, bung them together in an "evidence based" test, roll it out, job done. A job so bad you have idiots like Elon ripping the piss out of you. No shame, any of them. Never doubt why dantes seeks a way to kill them all.
 
FoxForceFive said:
No human to human infections. Its not the easiest mutation, as I understand it a tiny proportion of viruses every make that jump.

Of course, the similarities between pig & human genetics make it more likely, but hopefully this isn't going to be the case here.
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That's been said before
 
We're going to have to go vegetarian, folks. Hopefully lab grown meat will be cheaper soon.
 
Looks like there going to be some long distance drink driving this weekend now the pubs are reopening and Leicester will be on lockdown
 
FoxForceFive said:
No human to human infections. Its not the easiest mutation, as I understand it a tiny proportion of viruses every make that jump.

Of course, the similarities between pig & human genetics make it more likely, but hopefully this isn't going to be the case here.
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There are literally thousands of mutations per year. The number that make the jump is extremely low. More media fear-mongering.
 
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