Yeh typo in my original post. apologies...
Chinese "Devil Virus" - anyone worried?
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It's not all the Government's fault but they've made a real fucking mess of their end of things.
We're pretty much back to normal here, apart from a few things. The schools are open but kids only go twice a week. We're not bothering sending our son as he often goes to his granny and granda's house and my wife's brother is also severely disabled so we think there's not much point in him going to school now. He'll return in September.
The bars and restaurants are open, waiting staff are meant to wear masks and the tables are meant to be a certain distance apart. Not all waiters are wearing masks, but this is Greece so that's not a surprise. Having said that, a bar in Mykonos has been fined 20k because it was over crowding.
The bars and restaurants are open, waiting staff are meant to wear masks and the tables are meant to be a certain distance apart. Not all waiters are wearing masks, but this is Greece so that's not a surprise. Having said that, a bar in Mykonos has been fined 20k because it was over crowding.
The figures are starting to look a bit better.
0 deaths in Scotland and NI also 0 in London.
Lowest deaths so far and lowest cases also.. though both tend to be lower on a Monday.
Will see over the next few weeks because that last bank holiday was just over a week ago and lots of people were out and about at beaches/parks/BBs etc and this past week with protest and marches. If the numbers stay low in next 2 weeks then looks good to further ease restrictions.
0 deaths in Scotland and NI also 0 in London.
Lowest deaths so far and lowest cases also.. though both tend to be lower on a Monday.
Will see over the next few weeks because that last bank holiday was just over a week ago and lots of people were out and about at beaches/parks/BBs etc and this past week with protest and marches. If the numbers stay low in next 2 weeks then looks good to further ease restrictions.
(CNN)The spread of Covid-19 by someone who is not showing symptoms appears to be rare, Maria Van Kerkhove, the World Health Organization's technical lead for coronavirus response and head of the emerging diseases and zoonoses unit, said during a media briefing in Geneva on Monday.
CDC estimates that 35% of coronavirus patients don't have symptoms
"From the data we have, it still seems to be rare that an asymptomatic person actually transmits onward to a secondary individual," Van Kerkhove said on Monday.
"We have a number of reports from countries who are doing very detailed contact tracing. They're following asymptomatic cases, they're following contacts and they're not finding secondary transmission onward. It is very rare -- and much of that is not published in the literature," she said. "We are constantly looking at this data and we're trying to get more information from countries to truly answer this question. It still appears to be rare that an asymptomatic individual actually transmits onward."
CDC estimates that 35% of coronavirus patients don't have symptoms
"From the data we have, it still seems to be rare that an asymptomatic person actually transmits onward to a secondary individual," Van Kerkhove said on Monday.
"We have a number of reports from countries who are doing very detailed contact tracing. They're following asymptomatic cases, they're following contacts and they're not finding secondary transmission onward. It is very rare -- and much of that is not published in the literature," she said. "We are constantly looking at this data and we're trying to get more information from countries to truly answer this question. It still appears to be rare that an asymptomatic individual actually transmits onward."
I appreciate that the Tories have been at pains to stress this at every opportunity Richey, but am surprised to see you repeating it. If you think that these marches are exclusively an expression of outrage at what happened to George Floyd then you need to wake the fuck up.
I gave my view of the protests in the other thread. This was about them in context of the Covid-19 social distancing laws.
I agree with everyone's right to protest for whatever reason that they wish. My point was merely if we find protest acceptable in these times (and if we find ONE protest acceptable then we have to therefore consider ALL protest acceptable, otherwise who is the judge of that?) then it is tough to penalise people involved in other kinds of gatherings. Unless there is an exception in law, and I am not aware that there is.
Yes, he probably did. Same as the four Labour MPs who broke lockdown rules probably did. That's one of the reasons why it is hard to prosecute anyone for peaceful protest.
Science is by definition a process of testing and revising your assumptions to improve your understanding of reality.
If you want to know the truth without backtracking, then you should read the quran instead.
Lol
Should they not try to verify things before announcing them to the world ?
Agreed. It was a clear f-up for her to announce that. Her colleagues have been doing damage control all day now
If it's true that asymptomatic people don't spread the virus and that everyone wearing a mask radically reduces the infection rate then it's little wonder Asia has got this under control, and we probably shouldn't have bothered with a lockdown, just made masks mandatory.
I just can't get my head round why they didn't protect care homes.
Some things are just so obvious that I didn't even consider that they wouldn't be done.
You've got a virus that radically disporportionatley attacks old people. You've got a population of old people you can easily isolate and protect (care homes).
What happens? The virus runs rampant in care homes.
There doesn't seem to be any other conclusion than that the government is a fucking catastrophe.
Some things are just so obvious that I didn't even consider that they wouldn't be done.
You've got a virus that radically disporportionatley attacks old people. You've got a population of old people you can easily isolate and protect (care homes).
What happens? The virus runs rampant in care homes.
There doesn't seem to be any other conclusion than that the government is a fucking catastrophe.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...y-have-been-in-wuhan-in-august-study-suggests
I must have missed the diarrhoea being a symptom.
The timeframes changing mean those who said they were really unwell back in Dec/Jan might well have had it already.
I must have missed the diarrhoea being a symptom.
The timeframes changing mean those who said they were really unwell back in Dec/Jan might well have had it already.
There are two reasons I didn't think my missus had it in early Jan, and that's because first it was early Jan, and second she didn't give it to anyone else except me. I got a standard three day in bed thing. She was fucked for the whole month. I thought if she had it the whole village would have by virtue of us having a pub.
Now I'm not sure. She's never been that ill before.
Now I'm not sure. She's never been that ill before.
WHO listed it early whereas the NHS site didn't list it at all, at least when we had what we think was coronavirus & checked it anyway.
Diarrhea has been listed as a symptom from way back ... the chart below is from those in Wuhan and published on 7th February. Numbers displaying diarrhea as a symptom as typically very low though.
Looks like WHO really dropped the ball on mask advice, although Governments should do their own research too. The rates in Slovakia with pretty much everyone wearing masks have very low despite being surrounded by other countries.
Diarrhea has been listed as a symptom from way back ... the chart below is from those in Wuhan and published on 7th February. Numbers displaying diarrhea as a symptom as typically very low though.
Wuhan numbers.
In an unusually blunt statement, the EU said China and Russia were engaged in "targeted" campaigns to spread health hoaxes and false information about the coronavirus. Brussels urged social media giants to take action.
The European Union accused Beijing and Moscow of waging targeted coronavirus disinformation campaigns in a new strategy paper published on Wednesday.
POLITICS | 23.05.2020
Don't fear the coronavirus protests
"Foreign actors and certain third countries, in particular Russia and China, have engaged in targeted influence operations and disinformation campaigns in the EU, its neighborhood, and globally," the European Commission said in a statement
Say for example it came out that China had been working on the virus, and dropped a bollock and let it loose, then covered it up to an extent. Say that came out, I wonder what the planet would do about China, if there was irrefutable evidence? Could they be sued out of existence? Would the entire planet agree to gang up on them and enforce sanctions to try and get money out of them for the damage they caused?
I suppose China could go full Iran/NK and say go fuck yourselves, but due to the amount that they export to us and america, it'd probably end up causing us more harm than them.
I suppose China could go full Iran/NK and say go fuck yourselves, but due to the amount that they export to us and america, it'd probably end up causing us more harm than them.
Putting aside the conspiracy theories, I think it's pretty clear that China is going to emerge as the dominant superpower and the West's struggle to limit their power and influence is only going to increase.
Yeah I think this is really obvious, just the amount of influence that Chinese money has around the world is indicative of how much power they could wield.
The NBA v. China being a good example of that soft power they have at the moment.
The entire planet wouldn't do anything about China
Problem being China have managed a huge amount of influence all over the place.
Huge infrastructure projects across parts of Africa and South East Asia means those countries wouldn't want to get too much involved.
Plus the influence China has over America & Hollywood is interesting also.
Systematically destroying Uyghur existence in the country, disappearing people and setting up and filling the camps.
And not much said to them means they know they can push forward with their agenda without too much pushback.
Problem being China have managed a huge amount of influence all over the place.
Huge infrastructure projects across parts of Africa and South East Asia means those countries wouldn't want to get too much involved.
Plus the influence China has over America & Hollywood is interesting also.
Systematically destroying Uyghur existence in the country, disappearing people and setting up and filling the camps.
And not much said to them means they know they can push forward with their agenda without too much pushback.
Yah - half of Africa it seems owes them money. They will be neutral best case scenario.
As for influence over Hollywood - what source(s) are you going by on this?
Yah, no one talks about the Uyghur stuff really ... Concentration camps ... being wiped out - but not a peep from anyone. Kinda says enough about what kind of species we are.