I'm blaming Dominic Cummings and Boris Johnson.
Chinese "Devil Virus" - anyone worried?
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I live right by it and I'm watching gangs of lads walking past with crates of Carling and Bose sound thingies like it's the fucking world cup on or something
That’s a given. But any sane person would’ve just stayed at home.
Rave in Kirby last night..
Bellends
And another in knowsley the night before
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-52919519
Happening all across the country some holding upto 1200 people..
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The cunts fucking wrecked the beach. Dirty scruffs.
Much as the government have covered themselves in something other than glory over all this, there's not going to be a great deal any government can do about public lunacy on such a massive scale.
Agreed. And without wishing to stray into other thread topics, if it is considered okay to go on marches with thousands of others (against something happening in another country) then it's rather hard to tell people not to gather in other ways isn't it?
The govt have never changed course from herd immunity. There's been tacit and total support of breaking the rules. Now the kids don't give a fuck anymore. I do. I want this over and done with, but loads of people under 30 have gone past being told what to do by people who think the rules don't apply to them, when they know all they'll get is a bit of a cold
Been quite a few of these across the North West, raves
Knowsley over 2 nights Only a few days ago
Some raves apparently attracting up to 12000 peeps
Since you did though, let's get it right.
Stephen Lawrence
Christopher Adler
Mzee Mohammed
Dalian Atkinson
Sheku Bayoh
Mark Duggan
Sean Rigg
Mikey Powell
I was sure that at least one of your dogs was going to pee on the statue !
As well as the fact R numbers were on way up before the protests especially in north west and south west which includes a lag of I guess 2-3 weeks but I guess easier to spin it on protests which maybe how gov will play it too.
Stephen Lawrence was not killed by police. He was killed by at least two criminals who are now in prison.
Do you think that we seriously have the same issue of police killing black people that exists in the United States? I say no, we don’t. The number of people of any ethnicity killed by police in the U.K. is fairly low, thankfully.
I am not discrediting any kind of protest, by the way. If people feel the need to protest that is up to them. I was speaking in the context of the lockdown/social distancing.
Not a single person as far as I know (other than you) has mentioned the R number in conjunction with the protests.
Infection rates (and the R number) are based on actions and events around a week or two previously, as you say.
By the way, since you are taking about the R number going up, is that the community R number or the average R number? And what is the number of infections across all settings? Going up or going down? Again, since you raised it with such certainty, I would imagine you’d know the details?
Here you go, has everything you need. R number is one indication of infection:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...y-finds-r-value-above-1-in-north-west-england
And in regards to Stephen Lawrence, since you made a particular picking him out, well as you may recall Police were alleged to have covered up at the time and the Macpherson found the police to be "institutionally racist" so it's not completely irrelevant, you can read up more here:
https://assets.publishing.service.g.../uploads/attachment_data/file/277111/4262.pdf
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well, no that is not everything I need at all. I was asking about different settings, and that looks like the average R number. The average R number going up doesn’t mean that the community R number has gone up. It doesn’t even mean that either the community or the closed settings R number has gone up. They could both have gone down. That is why I asked, as I wondered what the actual details were. You don’t know though, and that’s fine.
I picked him out because out of the list he did not die in police custody or at the hands of the police. Unlike all of the others, I believe. As I also said, I was talking about the protests in relation to social distancing only.
How is that a surprise though ? The amount of people that have been ignoring guidelines is insane. Cue the quote re. over 1,000 parties, in one weekend alone, in Manchester over a month ago.
Clearly those people have little to no regard for the lives of elderly parents and grandparents or anyone else considered vulnerable. If they aren't going to hit them with fines (including those families going out for picnics etc.at times and in places they shouldn't be) then people won't respect the guidelines.
I know how he was killed, but that doesn't change the racist (proven by independant inquires) failings of the MET police around that case, and how it caused untold further pain to his family and delayed justice for nearly 20 years.
I don't feel like that question is entirely serious, but I obviously don't as it's not comparable in scale or severity. Do I think that roughly the same level of profiling occurs given sample Police forces across the UK and Europe* against ethnic minorities in general? Yes I do (*It's actually far higher in a lot of Europe than the UK). I also think there's a culture of denying accountability in instances where there's evidence of wrongdoing. I think there's failings in approach, resource allocation, training and priorities of policing. I don't think any of this excuses genuine criminal behaviour from anyone, but I don't think that counter argument excuses the lack of reform/willingness to either.
It's admittedly a dangerous time for large gatherings, but the need for certain ideals to be at least recognised very often transcends physical dangers.
You started off by trying to link the protests to people venturing out needlessly for a foreign cause then make presumptions about R numbers mentioned in article. Don’t think you know what your original point was, let’s leave it there...
I guess when you have a government initiating a lockdown that really isn't a lockdown, politicians and what have you flouting the rules, this is exactly what you are going to get.. People say.. fuck it..
People respond to leadership, this country has none..
The Government want this so it can pursue with the herd immunity program.. All because their response to the pandemic was far too late, not taken seriously and lockdown imposed far late. They will now look to blame the public..
Why do you think the nightingale hospitals where built ?
That's to cope with the demand that soon will be required..
Herd immunity is now the only answer, as the repercussion to the economy to further lockdown restrictions will be a massive catastrophe in terms of humanitarian crisis for a 1st world country..
um, no I didn’t. Where did I?
My original point was that if it is considered acceptable to be in a LARGE CROWD for a protest (which it may well be, it is a matter of opinion, and I didn’t give mine) then it is then hard to then break up another LARGE CROWD for a different reason.
You brought R numbers into it, not me.
My question with R numbers was trying to find out the details of the R number that you raised. You didn’t know. That was it really.
and that is a matter of opinion, but it comes back to my original point on the matter. If it is considered acceptable to protest then it is therefore not easy to object to other large gatherings.
If one is unsafe and unlawful then the other is unsafe and unlawful. Whether one is morally more acceptable than the other is possibly true, but that is not really relevant.
I'd say it's historically true rather than opinion, I just think the two are mostly seperate. Social distancing and an effective track and trace system should still be way of tackling the virus, that should be at the fore of most decisions on large gatherings right now. Idiots flocking to beaches without protection or holding 12,000 strong raves with complete disregard should be fined and given a breach order where possible. And yes, the mixed messaging from government the whole way along this thing has not helped but, in the particular instance of these protests, this is a particular time that will not wait a half year or more for it to be safe to go out and be heard.
Then we will have to agree to disagree. Essentially if anyone who goes to a rave or to a party or to the beach does so with a placard and claims to be doing so to protest against something that they believe in then they are presenting the same argument as anyone at any of those protests today.
Sure, those protesting today may have more moral justification to do so but in the eyes of the law, it is no different.
Yep it's all the governments fault for their piss poor handling of this crisis. Nothing to do at all with 12000 stupid cunts going to a rave, or going en-masse for a bit of sunbathing down the beach 3inches from each other, that can't follow basic instructions or anything like that. Beggars belief. It'll be all these cunts that are clapping for the NHS, changing their facebook profile pics and getting on the bandwagon for black lives matter.
Where/when was this rave of 12000 people? That is truly astonishing number for an illegal rave in any circumstances.
I think there is a typo there. 1200 would be a more accurate number.